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[gamergamergamer]

there are way too many variables created by me2s ending for bioware to realistically cater to every possible outcome, my guess is theyll scrap every me2 squad mate with the exception of mass effect 1 characters, maybe not even them

[Dellingr]

give them some credit, they've shown commitment to making it all work

[MagicianCamille]

As much as I'd like to think ME3 won't scrap our squad, the fact that ANYONE can die in ME2 tells me ME3 might be a whole new cast, with the exception of Liara(as she's the only squadmate who no matter what survives ME1 and 2). I can't see fully fleshed out stories for characters who might not even be alive on a lot of people's games.



And that really bothers me, because Garrus and Tali are my favorite ME characters, and the fact that either can die in ME2 in an importable ending(meaning Shepard lives), tells me they won't have big roles in the next game.



Going to be really interesting to see how Bioware handles all this without sacrificing the integrity of the story in the final game. I hope they come up with something beyond what myself or anyone else can fathom though.

[mmmu]

As long as they bring Liara back - I am satisfied!

[Andysilv]

I'm really worried about the squad mates in ME3. ME2 gave us some brilliant characters that we got to know and care for and then barely anything else. Everything feels set up for these guys to follow you into ME3 and I would actually enjoy ME2 more if I knew this was going to happen.



Knowing that you might not have any other use for these characters besides one mission really cheapens the experience in my opinion.



I wonder what default ending to the suicide mission will be for people who haven't played the first two games but get Mass Effect 3?

[Giantevilhead]

I think that Tali and Mordin will be on the ship but they won't be part of your squad. Mordin is way more useful as a researcher and Tali is more useful as an engineer and a diplomat to the Quarians.

[MagicianCamille]

I actually see Tali playing out like Wrex did...if she survived then she takes the open Admiral seat on the Flotilla, and if she doesn't then she's replaced by a different Quarian as the Admiral. Either way, doesn't join your crew. Hope not though, she's my Paragon Shepard's LI and my personal favorite character.

[ComTrav]

"Returning" is different then playable.



People forget Mordin is OLD for a Salarian. He opened the clinic because it's his "last decade". Thane is dying, too. I suspect they'll both show up if they lived, but they may not be in fighting shape.



And Liara will probably be a playable squaddie in ME3. I say this just because she's the only character guaranteed to survive ME1 and 2.



What I would do, if ME3 were my game, is do ME2 in reverse. You start with EVERYONE, but as you go to the different planets, each squadmate says, "I know I said I'd fight the Reapers, but these people here need my help..." Rather then assemble your team, you need to deploy them around the galaxy to prepare for the Reaper threat.



I realize the above causes all kinds of game pacing issues. (It'd be overwhelming STARTING a game with 10+ squadmembers.)



And I want at least someone to represent the ME2 squad, even though they can all die.

[Aristorum]

Seeing as all the ME2 squaddies have the potential to die, I wouldn't count on too many of them returning as squaddies in ME3. I'd say cameos are your best bet.

[Time Well Spent]

andysilv87 wrote...

I'm really worried about the squad mates in ME3. ME2 gave us some brilliant characters that we got to know and care for and then barely anything else. Everything feels set up for these guys to follow you into ME3 and I would actually enjoy ME2 more if I knew this was going to happen.

Knowing that you might not have any other use for these characters besides one mission really cheapens the experience in my opinion.

I wonder what default ending to the suicide mission will be for people who haven't played the first two games but
get Mass Effect 3?

I'm guessing a default male will get Miranda back, a default female will have Jacob. Maybe you will get both of them plus Shepard and that's it. Don't envy the work Bioware has to come, good luck to them though

Modifié par Time Well Spent, 01 février 2010 - 12:00 .

[AlphaJarmel]

I think they'll use the LI you used in ME2 or the one in ME1 if you didn't have a romance in ME2, as a squadmate. They will probably scrape almost everyone from ME2 such as Thane, Samara, Mordin, and Jacob. Garrus will probably come back. Tali will be back as an admiral as she mentioned there was some debate about who should fill her father's spot. Legion will probably go back to report to the Geth. They will have a mostly new crew though. So you have either Liara or Ashley(Kaidan) from the first game, Grunt, Garrus, Miranda(or Subject Zero) depending on if she survived, and the rest will be new.

[KainrycKarr]

Tali returns as an LI and squadmate, or people die.

[Crysis I]

i think the only way bioware can do this is by having every character available in ME3. its the only way to please everybody plus ME2 was you putting the team together so they cant just bump them off. it would be stupid that you spend all that timwe gathering a team for them just to not be in the 3rd one. it would be like star wars return of the jedi without certain people. if you played a paragon shep then you should have everyone alive apart from kaiden/ashley so your full squad would be 13. 14 including sheperd


Tali - Guarenteed 

Garrus- Guarenteed

Miranda- LI plus shes my favorite character

Ashley/Kaiden- LI

Liara- LI

Wrex (i cant see many people klilling him on virmire)

Grunt- Will Follow Shepeard everywhere

Mordin

Samara

Legion

Thane

Jack

Zaeed

NPC: Normandy Crew

EDI
Doctor Chakwas
Joker
Kelly

[AlphaJarmel]

Crysis I wrote...

i think the only way bioware can do this is by having every character available in ME3. its the only way to please everybody plus ME2 was you putting the team together so they cant just bump them off. it would be stupid that you spend all that timwe gathering a team for them just to not be in the 3rd one. it would be like star wars return of the jedi without certain people. if you played a paragon shep then you should have everyone alive apart from kaiden/ashley so your full squad would be 13. 14 including sheperd


Tali - Guarenteed 

Garrus- Guarenteed

Miranda- LI plus shes my favorite character

Ashley/Kaiden- LI

Liara- LI

Wrex (i cant see many people klilling him on virmire)

Grunt- Will Follow Shepeard everywhere

Mordin

Samara

Legion

Thane

Jack

Zaeed

NPC: Normandy Crew

EDI
Doctor Chakwas
Joker
Kelly

I can bet you money that they won't do that.  It's way way way too much work for characters some people won't see.  Again the squad will be mostly new and people are deluding themselves otherwise.

[kappukiino]

I at least want Tali, Garrus and i'd love to have Liara or someone.



And mordin is badass, i'd love to have him too.

[KainrycKarr]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

i think the only way bioware can do this is by having every character available in ME3. its the only way to please everybody plus ME2 was you putting the team together so they cant just bump them off. it would be stupid that you spend all that timwe gathering a team for them just to not be in the 3rd one. it would be like star wars return of the jedi without certain people. if you played a paragon shep then you should have everyone alive apart from kaiden/ashley so your full squad would be 13. 14 including sheperd


Tali - Guarenteed 

Garrus- Guarenteed

Miranda- LI plus shes my favorite character

Ashley/Kaiden- LI

Liara- LI

Wrex (i cant see many people klilling him on virmire)

Grunt- Will Follow Shepeard everywhere

Mordin

Samara

Legion

Thane

Jack

Zaeed

NPC: Normandy Crew

EDI
Doctor Chakwas
Joker
Kelly

I can bet you money that they won't do that.  It's way way way too much work for characters some people won't see.  Again the squad will be mostly new and people are deluding themselves otherwise.

hardly. Bioware has proven consistently they listen to the fans. I don't think there is ANYONE who truly wants mostly new squadmates.

[Time Well Spent]

Depends on survivors hopefully, If so here's my team

Mordin

Garrus

Tali

Miranda

Kaidan

Wrex

Liara

Legion

Thane

[MandatoryDenial1]

My guess is that you will get an almost entirely new cast of squadmates. In all honesty this has been Bioware's modus opporandi ever since Baldur's Gate 2. They have in this instance taken the quick and easiest way out. One thing about Bioware though is that sometimes they listen. I hope in this they listen to their fans. In number 3 I think it will be a travesty if the relationships you have developed are not allowed some substantial bit of continuity. In my mind these are the people who I would like to return:

1. All the love interests (Liara, Kaiden, Jacob, Thane, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, and Ashley)
2. Of the crew, Joker, Chakwas, EDI, and Kelly for continuity and LI respectively.

There will be a lot of time devoted towards content that some players won't ever experience in 3 if choices are made in 2 that eliminate certain squad mates. From a development standpoint I honestly wonder if Bioware will invest that time or just solve the problem by making the current squadmates mostly background and keeping only a few for continuity and a whole new cast. It will be interesting. Me I think that going the whole new squad route cheapens the game and the experience. It is my hope that Bioware doesn't go this route.

Modifié par MandatoryDenial1, 01 février 2010 - 12:13 .

[AlphaJarmel]

KainrycKarr wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

i think the only way bioware can do this is by having every character available in ME3. its the only way to please everybody plus ME2 was you putting the team together so they cant just bump them off. it would be stupid that you spend all that timwe gathering a team for them just to not be in the 3rd one. it would be like star wars return of the jedi without certain people. if you played a paragon shep then you should have everyone alive apart from kaiden/ashley so your full squad would be 13. 14 including sheperd


Tali - Guarenteed 

Garrus- Guarenteed

Miranda- LI plus shes my favorite character

Ashley/Kaiden- LI

Liara- LI

Wrex (i cant see many people klilling him on virmire)

Grunt- Will Follow Shepeard everywhere

Mordin

Samara

Legion

Thane

Jack

Zaeed

NPC: Normandy Crew

EDI
Doctor Chakwas
Joker
Kelly

I can bet you money that they won't do that.  It's way way way too much work for characters some people won't see.  Again the squad will be mostly new and people are deluding themselves otherwise.

hardly. Bioware has proven consistently they listen to the fans. I don't think there is ANYONE who truly wants mostly new squadmates.

And Bioware has consistenly said that each game is a stand-alone.   Having your squad be a makeup of all your old teamates would go against that.  Not to mention people thought their choices would have these great impacts when they didn't.  Bioware is human with limited resources and wasting it on characters that some people have killed(like Wrex or Ashley/Kaidan) is just stupid.  Bioware can't do routes for every single permutation without it being a five year project.    Thane is obviously dying and will obviously be out and so will Samara as they both make it very clear that they are done after this. 

[KainrycKarr]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Crysis I wrote...

i think the only way bioware can do this is by having every character available in ME3. its the only way to please everybody plus ME2 was you putting the team together so they cant just bump them off. it would be stupid that you spend all that timwe gathering a team for them just to not be in the 3rd one. it would be like star wars return of the jedi without certain people. if you played a paragon shep then you should have everyone alive apart from kaiden/ashley so your full squad would be 13. 14 including sheperd


Tali - Guarenteed 

Garrus- Guarenteed

Miranda- LI plus shes my favorite character

Ashley/Kaiden- LI

Liara- LI

Wrex (i cant see many people klilling him on virmire)

Grunt- Will Follow Shepeard everywhere

Mordin

Samara

Legion

Thane

Jack

Zaeed

NPC: Normandy Crew

EDI
Doctor Chakwas
Joker
Kelly

I can bet you money that they won't do that.  It's way way way too much work for characters some people won't see.  Again the squad will be mostly new and people are deluding themselves otherwise.

hardly. Bioware has proven consistently they listen to the fans. I don't think there is ANYONE who truly wants mostly new squadmates.

And Bioware has consistenly said that each game is a stand-alone.   Having your squad be a makeup of all your old teamates would go against that.  Not to mention people thought their choices would have these great impacts when they didn't.  Bioware is human with limited resources and wasting it on characters that some people have killed(like Wrex or Ashley/Kaidan) is just stupid.  Bioware can't do routes for every single permutation without it being a five year project.    Thane is obviously dying and will obviously be out and so will Samara as they both make it very clear that they are done after this. 

They already said Liara and Kaidan/Ashley will have major roles in ME3,. Garrus and Tali were there from the start and have a borderline cult following. Bioware has good business sense.

I won't speak for the rest of the ME2 crew because i think that's a crapshoot. But i think Liara, Kaidan/Ashley and Garrus and Tali are pretty much a given.

[AlphaJarmel]

Major role doesn't mean squadmate. Tali is a bit of a mystery as she specifically mentions that some people want her as an admiral on the fleet. Garrus will most likely stay as people like enough of him but who knows due to the suicide mission. They might scratch everyone from the previous games and have LIs that aren't your squadmates. So you would have an all new squad but have your LIs from previous games. It would be much simpler and everybody remains happy.

[Andysilv]

Does anybody else think they should have saved the suicide mission for the third game? Pretty much everybody wants the current squad back and it seems BioWare have really shot themselves in the foot with this.



If the suicide mission story had been used as the end of ME3 it would have made much more sense.

[KainrycKarr]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Major role doesn't mean squadmate. Tali is a bit of a mystery as she specifically mentions that some people want her as an admiral on the fleet. Garrus will most likely stay as people like enough of him but who knows due to the suicide mission. They might scratch everyone from the previous games and have LIs that aren't your squadmates. So you would have an all new squad but have your LIs from previous games. It would be much simpler and everybody remains happy.

I really don't think that would please anyone. And Tali shows displeasure at joining the fleet. She's Tali'Zorah vas normandy. It would make very little sense to kick her back to the fleet. Garrus and Tali are pretty much guaranteed storywise, and fan popularity wise.

[hawat333]

Hm, I'd be okay with this squad layout. With the additon of Anderson

[AlphaJarmel]

KainrycKarr wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Major role doesn't mean squadmate. Tali is a bit of a mystery as she specifically mentions that some people want her as an admiral on the fleet. Garrus will most likely stay as people like enough of him but who knows due to the suicide mission. They might scratch everyone from the previous games and have LIs that aren't your squadmates. So you would have an all new squad but have your LIs from previous games. It would be much simpler and everybody remains happy.

I really don't think that would please anyone. And Tali shows displeasure at joining the fleet. She's Tali'Zorah vas normandy. It would make very little sense to kick her back to the fleet. Garrus and Tali are pretty much guaranteed storywise, and fan popularity wise.

Again the suicide mission screws everything up and makes everything up in the air.  Some people might have Garrus and Tali dead so they would be screwed out of two squadmates.  My solution is better as they can still put in tons of dialogue with the LI and not have to worry about squad dynamics. They need to make it accesible to new players as well.  The suicide mission screws everything up.  I wouldn't automatically assume they're going to be back.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 01 février 2010 - 01:06 .