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[KainrycKarr]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Major role doesn't mean squadmate. Tali is a bit of a mystery as she specifically mentions that some people want her as an admiral on the fleet. Garrus will most likely stay as people like enough of him but who knows due to the suicide mission. They might scratch everyone from the previous games and have LIs that aren't your squadmates. So you would have an all new squad but have your LIs from previous games. It would be much simpler and everybody remains happy.

I really don't think that would please anyone. And Tali shows displeasure at joining the fleet. She's Tali'Zorah vas normandy. It would make very little sense to kick her back to the fleet. Garrus and Tali are pretty much guaranteed storywise, and fan popularity wise.

Again the suicide mission screws everything up and makes everything up in the air.  Some people might have Garrus and Tali dead so they would be screwed out of two squadmates.  My solution is better as they can still put in tons of dialogue with the LI and not have to worry about squad dynamics. They need to make it accesible to new players as well.  The suicide mission screws everything up.  I wouldn't automatically assume they're going to be back.

I would be satisfied if Tali had a decent LI continuation in ME3, at LEAST. though the cameos in ME2 leave that thought a sour dread.

So again, my defense is popularity. i think it's fairly safe to say most people will have Tali and Garrus alive, and bioware will plan accordingly.

I'm not assuming, I just think it's likely based on common sense. It's very possible bioware will screw those two characters over. I just won't buy the game if they do.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 01 février 2010 - 01:09 .

[Chrisimo79]

Please remember the following: If BioWare had written large roles for Wrex, Kaidan, Ashley and Liara, there would be 4 less new team members (so maybe no Morgin, no Grunt, no Thane and no Jack). And a lot of people wouldn't even see Ashley/Kaidan or Wrex because they died in ME1. This ME2 approach as ensured that all players can enjoy the company of the new characters and no one misses out. This will be the case in ME3, too.

BioWare cannot create 20 overall character stories for all the possible outcomes. They might select a few fan favourites like Tali and Garrus but the rest will have cameo roles.

[AlphaJarmel]

^That's pretty much the case.



Really the only solid one is Liara as everyone else is expendable due to ME1 kill choices and the ME2 suicide mission.

[Delta Green]

I guess it's going to really suck for the shepperds who lost ALL their teammates

[ERJAK1]

Dracotamer wrote...

So, I was thinking earlier about his and this is how I think ME3 will handle squad mates.

In ME3 we will have:

Tali

Garrus

Liara

Ashley/Kaiden

Legion

MIranda

Jack

Grunt

Jacob

Mordin

Most likely not included:

Wrex - Grunt is sort of a replacement minus the biotics and Wrex will be a cameo etc. as he still needs to lead the clan/save the Krogans. He was also a killable option in ME1.

Thane - He is dieing and will most likely be dead or to ill to fight in the next game.

Samara - Liara replaces her and Samara said she was leaving after the mission. She will most likely cameo as she said she would come to our aid if we ever called.

Morinth - Same deal with Samara, she will go back to killing and hiding and you will have to stop her.

DLC sqaudmates will not be included.

That leaves us with 10 possible sqaud mates.

Non sqaud mate returns:

EDI

Joker

Dr. Chawkwa

I thinks it's gonna be limited to Liara, the virmire survivor and 4 new people. Also Joker and EDI.

[ComTrav]

Chrisimo79 wrote...

Please remember the following: If BioWare had written large roles for Wrex, Kaidan, Ashley and Liara, there would be 4 less new team members (so maybe no Morgin, no Grunt, no Thane and no Jack). And a lot of people wouldn't even see Ashley/Kaidan or Wrex because they died in ME1. This ME2 approach as ensured that all players can enjoy the company of the new characters and no one misses out. This will be the case in ME3, too.
BioWare cannot create 20 overall character stories for all the possible outcomes. They might select a few fan favourites like Tali and Garrus but the rest will have cameo roles.

This is a good point--creating new characters is what Bioware does best.

But by the third act of the trilogy, we should know all the big players. Who will win between game-design logic and storytelling logic?

And the more they include, the less they can do. I think people would be very upset if (say) Kaidin returned, but all his dialogue was the same as ME1.

[FlintlockJazz]

Thane is dying, but I reckon that if he survives ME2 then in ME3 we get a cutscene of him dying at the beginning as some sort of 'bonus', maybe some last message or something. More importantly, regardless of whether or not he survives the suicide mission I reckon he will be replaced with his son. As to whether or not the squaddies in 2 will return in 3, I am worried a bit too, though I can see two possibilites that they could do it with:



1. You start off with all the squad members with no need to recruit them. This removes the need to do new recruiting missions, and people would probably get fed up if they had to go and do it all over again anyway. Limit it to ten or so characters, so you get the same amount of dialogue, with a mix of characters from the first and second games (characters like Samara and Thane have reasons for not being there other than dying in suicide mission for instance, so you could quite happily remove them and replace them with ME1 characters). If someone doesn't make it then they just don't get to say their lines, with characters like Liara who are alive regardless saying the stuff that needs said. Players starting a new game get to choose a number of characters up to a limit, like say 6 or 7, at character creation.



2. Expansion pack. Baldur's Gate is a trilogy, yet the third 'game', Throne of Bhaal, is an expansion pack. Since most players of ME3 will probably be players of ME2 I think this is a possibility. Despite what companies say about 'bringing in new players' all the people I know who have expressed interest in ME2 without playing ME1 have said that they will not play it until they have played ME1, so I don't think they're gonna get as many new players as they think, or rather the new players are going to play the older games first anyway, if they can get their hands on it, otherwise they just won't bother with the game at all.

[Chrisimo79]

Delta Green wrote...

I guess it's going to really suck for the shepperds who lost ALL their teammates

I think that Shepard dies too, if all of his teammembers die, as no one can help him into the Normandy after that jump. Joker has to stop shooting and then the Collectors hit Shepard.

[Sledgehammer44mm]

Dracotamer wrote...

So, I was thinking earlier about his and this is how I think ME3 will handle squad mates.

In ME3 we will have:

Tali

Garrus

Liara

Ashley/Kaiden

Legion

MIranda

Jack

Grunt

Jacob

Mordin

Most likely not included:

Wrex - Grunt is sort of a replacement minus the biotics and Wrex will be a cameo etc. as he still needs to lead the clan/save the Krogans. He was also a killable option in ME1.

Thane - He is dieing and will most likely be dead or to ill to fight in the next game.

Samara - Liara replaces her and Samara said she was leaving after the mission. She will most likely cameo as she said she would come to our aid if we ever called.

Morinth - Same deal with Samara, she will go back to killing and hiding and you will have to stop her.

DLC sqaudmates will not be included.

That leaves us with 10 possible sqaud mates.

Non sqaud mate returns:

EDI

Joker

Dr. Chawkwa

They better have Miranda and Ashley along with Liara & Samara and EDI in the next one.

Mass Effect one I always had Ashley and Liara in my party.
Mass Effect 2.... I always had Miranda and Samara.

[Naltair]

I still think they will go for the kitchen sink ending and surprise us all one way or another.



I am looking for the article where he states the idea of divergent story paths for ME3... whatever that means.

[Naltair]

Chrisimo79 wrote...

Delta Green wrote...

I guess it's going to really suck for the shepperds who lost ALL their teammates

I think that Shepard dies too, if all of his teammembers die, as no one can help him into the Normandy after that jump. Joker has to stop shooting and then the Collectors hit Shepard.

Yeah I think you need a minimum of two members to survive to make it out alive.

[smudboy]

I'm more interest in the type of game the squad mates will be in.



Squad based play seems to be the idea. That said, in ME3 I see Commander Shepard as more of a general, than a front-lines man. He's got a team of experienced underlings, so why is he always the "vanguard of the enemies destruction?" Imagine sending specialized teams of your crew to investigate a planet, while you focus on another mission or operation. (Well, it would definitely make for more interesting planet scanning...) They report back on their findings, and you get a linear storyline to go with that depending on who you sent.



Unless everyone suddenly jubilates over playing galactic curling and pin the probe on the planet...



It makes sense on simplicity, having all these characters/units. You can't focus and flesh out all of them. I still think ME2 had way too many characters: to accommodate them all, you'd have to do some kind of micromanagement (and definitely not in the suicide mission method.)

[Naltair]

Commander Shepard will be there right in the action, that is how he/she leads in he battle by example.

If there is one thing that is for sure, the three person squad is probably a given.

Modifié par Naltair, 01 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[Nightvision91]

I'd like to think that if you changed LI's in ME2 that they would be in the game for some sort of confrontation with your LI from ME1.

[Naltair]

My guess for ME3, even if people say it is a waste of resources, the story line for "imported" characters will be very divergent collecting all the multitude of choices already and implementing them will be difficult not even counting the squad mates. I think squad mates that survive will be in ME3, not sure if they will be playable but given their status possibly.

But as Casey Hudson has stated they do like having you get to know a new cast so I expect that there will be several new people to meet and recruit. But I can only hope that the bulk of the game is not just recruiting another team, when you have one of the finest teams ever created who just did the impossible, even if people died.

With that said I think the emphasis won;t be on recruiting and hopefully more like ME1 where you get the majority of the crew early on and the bulk of the story is aligning your forces against the Reapers, discovering their goals, weakness, plot device, and then ultimately deciding the destiny of the galaxy.

Since this is the climax of the trilogy I suspect most if not all the loose ends will be cleared up, including the romances in some kind of capacity. I think given the emphasis on how compelling they wanted the ME2 characters to be, their role if they survive should hopefully allow Shepard to continue that relationship to it's conclusion in a hopefully satisfactory manner.

Mass Effect 3 is going to be a massive undertaking given the permutations of the story but since there is nothing that needs to come after they can really let loose with how it ends and how the story plays out. Just my thoughts.

Modifié par Naltair, 01 février 2010 - 02:28 .

[Naltair]

Nightvision91 wrote...

I'd like to think that if you changed LI's in ME2 that they would be in the game for some sort of confrontation with your LI from ME1.

I agree unless they died in ME2...

[Tennyochan]

Dracotamer wrote...

So, I was thinking earlier about his and this is how I think ME3 will handle squad mates.
...

Well anythings on the table considering how many of them can die in ME2 at the end...
In ME3 we will have:
i think most likely the alien races will remain. its a pain in the ass to introduce a new character representing each race in ME3 where you have already established that character. Unless they introduce a male/female quarian/turian/krogan/salarian/Drell, which we havent seen yet and have the old crew as Lead-camo's.

Also maybe the ending alludes to who will be active on the normandy? where they show whos on the ship?
They definitely dont show all the characters even though they survived. like...samara...

Dracotamer wrote...
Thane - He is dieing and will most likely be dead or to ill to fight in the next game.

NOOOO SAY IT ISNT SO :crying::crying::crying:

Modifié par tennyochan, 01 février 2010 - 02:43 .

[Reiisha]

Tali, Garrus, Liara and Ashley/Kaidan better all be in ME3 or i will go on a killing spree ;p

I think that all squadmates will potentially be in ME3 though. Too early to tell. Must analyze data more thoroughly.

God i love Mordin...

Modifié par Reiisha, 01 février 2010 - 03:08 .

[SomethinNothing]

Bioware has already said they'd like to go crazy with letting the storyline really diverge in ME3 since it's the finale of the trilogy, so I don't really buy the whole, "They wouldn't want to take the time and effort to bring back ME1 and ME2 characters that could have died because then some people wouldn't see that content" bit.

[Ocelot83]

I picked these bits concerning squadmates for ME 3 from own (overly long) post:



-Jacob. He is sort of a junior version of (male) Shepard, and I see no reason why he would leave the team.



-Grunt. My personal favorite. He has no reason to abandon his battlemaster yet, because he knows that with Shepard he is going to end up in to the biggest fight in the galaxy, a chance all Krogan would like to have.



-Mordin. He should stay. After all Normandy needs its main scientist, and Mordin would probably like to stay in a top notch laboratory to continue his experiments (and because he is awesome).



-Samara/Morinth. Neither will stay. Samara will probably return to her Justicar profession, could be met briefly in the sequel. Morinth was a selfish hedonist and she probably has gone back into killing people, could be met briefly (and you could kill her) in the sequel.



-Miranda (my romance option).



-Thane. He will be dead. Mordin could probably cure him from his disease, but he really seemed to have a deathwish. So he has succumbed to his disease.



-Jack/Subject Zero. She will only stay if you blow up the base, she would never work for Cerberus permanently (not even romancing would help).

Could be a minor villain in the sequel if she has left.



-Legion. If you activate him, he would stay in the team and be your liaison to the Geth. If you give him to Cerberus you could have advanced shielding and weapon tech for your characters in the sequel, but all Geth would be heretics.



-Tali. She would stay. It doesn't mattter if you romace her or not , she is still Shepards friend and wouldn't leave her/him.



-Garrus. He would stay. Where else would he go?



-Zaeed. He won't return. He was a hired gun and got the money and ran (I presume he got more after the job).

But Bioware should make a spin-off game/book/comic about his adventures in the seedy underworld of Mass Effect universe.



-Ashley/Kaidan. The one who survived Virmire should die in Mass Effect 3 (or not be in it at all). Because they are the lousiest characters of the franchise.



-Liara. She should be dead/in trouble in Mass Effect 3. You would revenge/save her ME 3. Could also return as an romance option/continuation (if alive) to the final part.



-It would be great if you could deepen your relationship with your romance option from Mass Effect 2 (he/she would definetily be in your team in Mass Effect 3, well maybe not Jack [look above]).

[SomethinNothing]

Ocelot83 wrote...
-Thane. He will be dead. Mordin could probably cure him from his disease, but he really seemed to have a deathwish. So he has succumbed to his disease.

He doesn't really have as much of a deathwish anymore by the end of the game if you romance him as a FemShep. If anything he seems upset that he has so little time left to live, although he is very conflicted about the fact that he is feeling this way.

[Man785]

Dracotamer wrote...

So, I was thinking earlier about his and this is how I think ME3 will handle squad mates.

In ME3 we will have:

Tali

Garrus

Liara

Ashley/Kaiden

Legion

MIranda

Jack

Grunt

Jacob

Mordin

Most likely not included:

Wrex - Grunt is sort of a replacement minus the biotics and Wrex will be a cameo etc. as he still needs to lead the clan/save the Krogans. He was also a killable option in ME1.

Thane - He is dieing and will most likely be dead or to ill to fight in the next game.

Samara - Liara replaces her and Samara said she was leaving after the mission. She will most likely cameo as she said she would come to our aid if we ever called.

Morinth - Same deal with Samara, she will go back to killing and hiding and you will have to stop her.

DLC sqaudmates will not be included.

That leaves us with 10 possible sqaud mates.

Non sqaud mate returns:

EDI

Joker

Dr. Chawkwa

I don't think it is possible to have any of the companions from ME1 and 2, given that in ME2 they can all die in YOUR game. There cannot be any main plot parts hanging on any of your squad in ME3, because if you killed them, they wont be there in the next game. At most they will go the Wrex path and they'll be on a sidepath doing their own thing. If they are dead someone will be doing it for them.

My predictions:
Kaiden/Ashley - Promoted to higher rank in Alliance and leading the Alliance against the Reapers
Wrex - Uniting the Krgan race for the final battle
Tali/Garrus/Legion/MIranda/Jack/Grunt/Jacob/Mordin/Samara/Morinth - All doing their own thing in ME3
Thane - Likely Dead
Liara - Rejoining the team.

[Soldier989]

Why wouldn't DLC characters be included?

[Soldier989]

Ocelot83 wrote...-Zaeed. He won't return. He was a hired gun and got the money and ran (I presume he got more after the job).
But Bioware should make a spin-off game/book/comic about his adventures in the seedy underworld of Mass Effect universe.

I doubt he would just take the money and run, he survived a suicide mission and with the help of shepard killed Vido (the guy he's been hunting down for twenty years) gaining his loyalty, if he didn't retire or die of natual causes after the mission, I'm guessing he'll return in ME3 as a squad member.

He could be a release day DLC squad member (again)

[SomethinNothing]

Man785 wrote...

I don't think it is possible to have any of the companions from ME1 and 2, given that in ME2 they can all die in YOUR game. There cannot be any main plot parts hanging on any of your squad in ME3, because if you killed them, they wont be there in the next game. At most they will go the Wrex path and they'll be on a sidepath doing their own thing. If they are dead someone will be doing it for them.

Again, I don't see how it matters if they are capable of dying or not. The main plot can unfold slightly differently depending on the choices you made in previous games so as to integrate them each into it in their own ways. The overall narrative doesn't have to change but it doesn't have to exclude them either to accomplish that.

Besides, it's not like the content that someone may miss in one playthrough can't be explored later on should they decide to go through again with one where different choices and outcomes were made. It's like people are saying "Give us diverging storylines that we really have a part in shaping but don't make them so different that my playthrough is really affected by the consequences and results of my actions in the previous game."

Modifié par SomethinNothing, 01 février 2010 - 03:56 .