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[Chained_Creator]

The only character from ME 2 that I want to return is Samara. I know the chances are exceedingly low, but I like her.

The ME 1 characters that I want to return are Liara, Garrus, and Tali.

New faces would be nice.

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 01 février 2010 - 03:56 .

[crimsoncobra57]

They always said that your choices in ME1 would carry over, and while it may not have been as spectacular as most people wanted, they were truthful. And ME2 had much more emphasis placed on your choices.. I was surprised by a lot of the things they did in ME2, and I think that for a final chapter on a trilogy, they will have to do more than a linear cameo for major characters. With ME2 they pulled off a lot of new ideas, and left a lot of room for how ME3 will begin. While I cannot say how they will do it, I know they will.. They haven't let me down so far, and I have no reason not to trust them.

My suicide mission ended with Garrus dying at the first door due to my poor squad choices, and as much as I want to get him back for ME3, I feel his death meant something, and without it I would feel like I cheated and it wouldn't be right. The first play was all my choices, with no outside help, and I managed to keep everyone but Garrus alive.. Also, he was my only LI through both the games, and it makes his story more dramatic for me if it ends that way. He had all his past troubles, betrayal by Sidonis, then just wants things to go right with Shepard, and for a brief time it does before he dies fighting to protect the person he's been faithful to and more recently loved.

[Man785]

SomethinNothing wrote...

Man785 wrote...

I don't think it is possible to have any of the companions from ME1 and 2, given that in ME2 they can all die in YOUR game. There cannot be any main plot parts hanging on any of your squad in ME3, because if you killed them, they wont be there in the next game. At most they will go the Wrex path and they'll be on a sidepath doing their own thing. If they are dead someone will be doing it for them.

Again, I don't see how it matters if they are capable of dying or not. The main plot can unfold slightly differently depending on the choices you made in previous games so as to integrate them each into it in their own ways. The overall narrative doesn't have to change but it doesn't have to exclude them either to accomplish that.

Besides, it's not like the content that someone may miss in one playthrough can't be explored later on should they decide to go through again with one where different choices and outcomes were made. It's like people are saying "Give us diverging storylines that we really have a part in shaping but don't make them so different that my playthrough is really affected by the consequences and results of my actions in the previous game."

I agree with you, I just don't think that you can have any people in your ME3 squad that could have died in a previous game. That pretty much takes out all the ME2 squadmates and the 3 from ME1. Bioware can't invest the resources into voicing and coding a squadmate for ME3 that could possibly be dead in your playthrough.

[samuraix87]

i would want tall my me2 squadmates back and the only 3 me1 squadmates that arent on your squad in me2 no reason for new people you have 15 squadmates total with both games

[Ghrelt]

I predict that the potential for a love interest from ME2 to return is more likely whith how little the "sex" scene showed. So Tali and Garrus=guaranteed. Miranda and Jacob are not coming back. And why wouldn't Joker come back? Isn't he the only non-squad member of your crew guaranteed to live?

[MasterMegatron]

Tali and Legion are really the only two I can say with certainty will stay. Tali because she's "vas Normandy" now, so Normandy is her home. Legion because he'd get shot anywhere he goes outside of Geth space.

[MICHELLE7]

I thought the excuse for Wrex not being able to be recruited was that he could die in ME1. If that was really the reason then it would stand to reason that any squad member that could die in ME2 won't be able to be recruited in ME3.



In fact I thought it had been posted somewhere in the other forum that someone had been at one of the events or something and had asked about ME3 and the dev he asked said something about they had already started discussing possible characters for a new team. The way it sounded was that a whole new team would be created.

[Man785]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

I thought the excuse for Wrex not being able to be recruited was that he could die in ME1. If that was really the reason then it would stand to reason that any squad member that could die in ME2 won't be able to be recruited in ME3.

Truth

[ToshiStation38]

I think that the squad will mostly be made up of love interests. I think that pretty much everyone has one by now (sorry if I offend those who don't), and I never really hated the other characters or anything, so I would be fine with it.



We do need the token krogan, though.

[Brahlis]

Unless they're prepared to do A LOT of dialogue, I don't see how they can add new characters. It'd make more sense and would appease a lot more people to just take a mix of what we had in ME1 and 2.

[Warden4423]

I would bet that most of the the squad that survived in ME2 will return for the 3rd, with options of replacing them with new characters. With 6 in ME1, 10 in ME2 (8 new ones), I would bet that the number goes up by a few. Maybe its all survivors from ME2 and Ash/Kaidin/Liara returning from ME1. If all 10 survived ME2, and the 2 ladies from ME1 return, thats 12. I could even see Wrex coming back.

But the squad will be larger. They won't go back to having to pick 1 person to die. It wouldnt surprise me at all if you lose a few people along the way, so a larger crew is needed. Maybe 15? A few newbies coming in to fill in spots of the dead or to max it out.

As Bioware has been making your choices count, having people who "might die" in ME2 not be in the game doesnt make sense. I honestly think they could have everyone who survived in ME2 be a squad mate and for those that did not survive, either replace them with people or your squad suffers for it.

Modifié par Warden4423, 01 février 2010 - 04:45 .

[viking135]

Actually the lack of effect that the choices you made in ME1 has on your ME2 playtrue is for me the most disappointing thing in the game. Now i am not completely done yet but so far it seems most of the big choices in ME1 dosen`t mean much in ME2 the squad members who could die are relegated to really small parts.

The council is a non factor.





So if they do the same thing for ME3 i just don`t see the point.

[Von Salza]

My 5 cents on this...

No one will make the 3 games as party members...

If I remember right Wrex was promised by Bioware for ME3, when we were having the exact same conversation about ME2 (can someone confirm this?).

Liara will be back, if not only for being the only "female" love interest for females...

Though I believe that death candidates (Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Legion etc ) will not return as party members, due to a needed investment from Bioware (monetary one, space as often mentioned is no problem, Planescape Torment was 4 CDs, cannot see why ME3 cannot ship into 3 or 4 DVDs or BluRays in 2 years time...) the sparce party interaction on ME2 can say otherwise...

So IMO Wrex and Liara from ME and Miranda and Thane ( Bioware loves him and really invested a lot on it) from ME2, the rest all new guys and girls..

Personaly?
Wrex, Liana, Miranda and Jacob...

Modifié par Von Salza, 01 février 2010 - 04:59 .

[Antaro Red]

Well it would be totally awesome, if not a bit unfair, if BioWare kept the party members from the second game, and left out the ones you may have killed. This would (obviously) hurt people that did minimum to get through the 2nd game, however it seems that they put WAY to much character in the current party members to just toss them aside. As for "canon" default Shepard they would assume everyone survived and that would be your ME 3 squad. Or I would also have no problem if they shoved a canon down our throats like BG 2 did, although it makes me feel a bit cheated, I'm ok with them forcing particular party members to survive (Tali and Garrus for instance). Besides they are going to have to come up with some kind of bull**** to get rid of your current party members...

[NeoGuardian86]

Warden4423 wrote...

I would bet that most of the the squad that survived in ME2 will return for the 3rd, with options of replacing them with new characters. With 6 in ME1, 10 in ME2 (8 new ones), I would bet that the number goes up by a few. Maybe its all survivors from ME2 and Ash/Kaidin/Liara returning from ME1. If all 10 survived ME2, and the 2 ladies from ME1 return, thats 12. I could even see Wrex coming back.

But the squad will be larger. They won't go back to having to pick 1 person to die. It wouldnt surprise me at all if you lose a few people along the way, so a larger crew is needed. Maybe 15? A few newbies coming in to fill in spots of the dead or to max it out.

As Bioware has been making your choices count, having people who "might die" in ME2 not be in the game doesnt make sense. I honestly think they could have everyone who survived in ME2 be a squad mate and for those that did not survive, either replace them with people or your squad suffers for it.

That's what i was thinking.

they essentially doubled the squad in ME2. i wouldn't be a bit surprised if the squad is similar size if you lost a whole lot of people, and larger (making life easier) if they survived.

the way i see it is this.
depending if they live, they will return, however in the case of Legion.
He is not a love interest, but he could provide missions in being a liason to the Geth.
Tali could do the same as well as continue LI (if she is still around)

If neither of these two are alive in ME3 it doesn't mean you can't get Quarian and or Geth help, it will jsut mean you Shepherd will have to probably use a Paragon/Renegade check, or have a longer mission etc.

For an epic saga, if they survive they should be there with you to the end, after all they are 'loyal' to you now.
This goes double for the Love Interests.

[NeoGuardian86]

Antaro Red wrote...

Well it would be totally awesome, if not a bit unfair, if BioWare kept the party members from the second game, and left out the ones you may have killed. This would (obviously) hurt people that did minimum to get through the 2nd game, however it seems that they put WAY to much character in the current party members to just toss them aside. As for "canon" default Shepard they would assume everyone survived and that would be your ME 3 squad. Or I would also have no problem if they shoved a canon down our throats like BG 2 did, although it makes me feel a bit cheated, I'm ok with them forcing particular party members to survive (Tali and Garrus for instance). Besides they are going to have to come up with some kind of bull**** to get rid of your current party members...

I was thinkign that but for a moment i realize something.

the ME2 defualt story seems to be the renegade story of ME1.

no council
no romance
no Wrex
no Rachni


what if ME3 default story is the Paragon story of ME2. where everyone survived and those who were gonna be around for the finale are there anyways. Plus 4-5 more squad mates to add and this time they are optional.

The few new characters would supplement those importing their ME2 saves with a lot of people who died.

Really the more i think about it (and i was drawing the possible routes), there are ways to do and make it work.

[Von Salza]

@NeoGuardian86



Loyalty is a funny concept, look at Ashley / Kaidan, though for an epic ending, I agree, all that lived should be there, I just hope the ending will be far better than that of DA.



We can like the old chars a lot, but we all try the new ones...

[Vengal345]

Though I would appreciate having all the old characters return I think we would be missing out on larger stories in the galaxy and new perspectives by limiting race choices and new characters. Something like Baterians, Volus, Vorcha, Elchor(lol, former actor in the hamlet play?). I think Legion and Mordin added a lot of perspective on the Genophage and the Geth. If you think about the pure Quarian or Krogan perspectives from the first game its like night and day.



I'd like to see at least 3 new characters, as well as the return of all the LIs from all the games.

[DocSun]

Isee a major problem for me3 with any character from ME2. any of them could die. That being said however I think if they were alive I can see cameo's in ME3 and "Outside the Ship" romances.

What I think for ME3 is this: Shepard or Joker (if Shepard is dead; Cerberus will fix up Joker or Clone Shepard) starts work on alerting EVERY possible faction he has run across in the first two games.

If you spared the Rachni they can be recruited, Mordin and the Salarian Special Ops, Jack and some other biotics/pirates, all of the merc groups, Aria/Patriarch and all of Omega, The council races, the alliance, Cerberus, the Krogan united under Wrex or his brother and grunt, the Geth, and more. Every species across the galaxy.

I think it will work sort of like Dragon Age, help each group faction with a problem then they will send an ambasitor aboard the normandy. You can donate minerals and other supplies to each group so that everyone is outfitted properly then sort of like ME2 suicide run you assign each faction to do certian things for the grand finale.

at least thats how I see it.

So to sum up. Majority of party is made up of ME1 characters (minus Wrex), the other ME2 characters will appear as the partys ambasator to their respective groups

(Party Members)
Ash/Kadien
Garus (as long as he is alive)
Tali - (also be ambasator to All of the Quarian)

(Possible-Party Members but definatly on Ship as ambasators )

Grunt - All of the Krogan
Jacob/Maranda - Cerberus
Samara - All of the Justicar (now thats a force)
Jack - some pirateing group/merc band
Thane's Son - Hannar and Drell
Mordin - Salarian Special Ops.

(also what I would like to see)
A Volus party member
an Elcor party member
a Batarian party member

you may also notice I left Liara out... yes because she is now an Information broker, she has become a different person. She is your source of information and nothing else. She is becoming her mother.

Modifié par DocSun, 01 février 2010 - 05:48 .

[Lost Cipher]

If Wrex does not return, ME3 won't be worth it. He has to be a squad member again, Grunt was just a poor replacement.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I would prefer if we had several new ones.

[KainrycKarr]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would prefer if we had several new ones.

Ew.

[1nigoMontoya]

They could bring back any dead ME2 characters via the Lazarus project.

[Alraiis]

Bioware has to make it work for both sets of people who will play ME3---those who import an ME2 game and those who don't. There needs to be a baseline minimum number of squadmates for any player, even those who lost nearly all their team on the suicide mission.

Those who import will, in most cases, have at least one "good" save ready, where most/all of their team survives. But not everyone will. Those who don't, or who are interested in the results of a total massacre, will end up being in the same boat as those who start fresh at ME3---with mostly new squad members alongside the "protected" ME1 squadmates: Liara and Kaidan/Ashley. To balance those two groups, you'd have to make some cuts from the ME2 squad, even if they all live. This is for the purposes of scaling back what would be a big team---and a load of V/O work---if you added new faces.

Take the whole squad from ME2, cross out a few names that will be guaranteed to leave to make room. If I were to guess, it would be the non-LI squadmates: Mordin, Grunt, Samara/Morinth, Legion and DLC characters. Jack and Thane might not stick around, despite being LIs, for personal reasons (Jack is nutso; Thane is dying/dead) but I find that unlikely for a game that's the big finale---resolution is important for all subplots and romances. A more likely scenario is they'll remove one of Miranda/Jacob and Thane/Jack based on your character's gender, if they don't just keep everyone in.

So let's say Mordin, Grunt, Samara, and Legion are out. These people would have cameos---big ones, even---if you saved them and would be mentioned as casualties if you didn't or if you started fresh. Obviously, anyone who didn't survive ME2 if you imported is dead for good.

At least four new members should come in to replace them. Maybe six. You have to have some new blood to keep things interesting.

So, my guess, if you recruited and saved everyone, you'd have: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Miranda/Jacob, Jack/Thane, and six new folks. 12 at minimum, 14 if they keep both halves of the ME2 LI pairs, 15 if they throw Wrex back in the mix. That's really more than one guess, but meh.

If you start ME3 new, you'd have that same list, minus perhaps a few additional ones to avoid being overly referential to the previous titles.

If you got as many people as possible killed, you'd have Ashley/Kaidan, Liara, and the six new folks. This is plenty for a full squad, but you'll feel the impact of losing so many. As you should.

Modifié par Alraiis, 01 février 2010 - 05:58 .

[Bumb48]

It will probably be all new party members. Seeing as how every one of your party members can die in ME2, Bioware won't include them as party members in the finale, because not all of them will be available to everyone. It's the same reason Wrex, Ashley or Kaiden aren't party members in ME2.