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[KainrycKarr]

Okay, in absolute honesty, who the hell plans on doing an import with any more than maybe ONE or TWO dead people? Not many.

[lobotomy42]

I would guess that Bioware hedges this a little. Most of the squad will have to be new, for practical reasons. Each potential squadmate is a significant investment of time and resources, so it doesn't make sense to have very many of these in the game that are inaccessible to a large number of players. That said, the squad expanded significantly in ME2, and it could conceivably expand a little more in ME3 - so that leaves some room for a few returning characters as "optional" pickups.



My guess would be:



Ashley/Kaiden is a required squadmate. One of them is guaranteed to have survived ME2, and ME2 clearly sets up that they still have a relationship with you (possibly.)



Liara could go either way. She's guaranteed to have survived, but her character direction in ME2 suggests she has moved on. So either in the squad as a required character, or not in the squad at all.



Tali and Garrus seem likely to be "optional" squadmates. They both have a big fan following, they're both romanceable, and they're in both ME1 and ME2 - it would be an abrupt change to see them suddenly sidelined in ME3. Also it's not like they have pressing business to return to!



Miranda and Jacob might also return as optional characters. These two were clearly set up as the main squadmates in ME2. Both are romanceable, and both are pretty invested in this fight against the reapers by now.



I can't imagine the rest of the ME2 squad returning. (Though I wouldn't complain!) Thane is dying regardless. Mordin is getting old for a Salarian. Jack, Samara, Grunt, Legion, and Zaeed all seem unlikely to want to stick around for very long.



Totaling this up, (and including Liara,) that would give us:

4 from ME1

2 from ME2



So six returning squadmates - two guaranteed to be in your party, and four "optional" depending on previous games. If we assume a squad size of twelve, that leaves six slots for new characters. Twelve seems a reasonable enough guess -- squad increased from six to ten for ME2, so ten to twelve seems a good jump for ME3. Bearing in mind that the Ashley/Kaiden slot requires producing two full characters, this would actually be thirteen characters. On the other hand, I don't think Liara is a given, so this might look more like five returning characters, seven new.

[MrGOH]

I bet ME3 will have a handful of returning squadmates available as squadmates. The best candidates for a return are Liara, Garrus, Jacob and Grunt (though maybe not all of them - they're the likeliest candidates, though). Thane, Wrex, Miranda Jack, and Legion each might make a comeback, though I suspect with some sort of radical difference (Legion may have suffered from a viral attack and be the agent of Cerberus or the Quarian admiral who advocates re-enslaving the geth, or Thane might undergo a treatment to cure his disease that alter him in some fundamental way). I doubt Samara will be back in anything but a cameo. Tali, Mordin, Ashley/Kaiden, and any other former squaddies from my first category who don't make it into ME3's squad will be big players in the galaxy (if they survived the suicide mission, natch) and have roles similar to Wrex's or Liara's in ME2. I think Mordin would be a great non-squaddie crewmate on the Normandy, or whatever Shep's flying against the fleet (!) of Reapers glimpsed at the end of ME2. He'd fit right in with EDI and Joker.



I'd like to see some new squaddies for ME3, but I'd love for Wrex, Garrus, Legion and Miranda to be back on the squad.



I feel like Bioware wrote themselves into a corner with the end of ME2 - it feels like Shepard has recruited a force to fight against the Reapers and is answerable to no one. Last time, Bioware killed Shep and scattered the crew in between games, as it were. Will Bioware wipe the slate clean between ME2 and ME3? I think it would be neat if the first few hours of ME3 were playable with whoever survived ME2 before things go horribly, horribly awry, and from there on out Shep has to go it alone (and find new squaddies along the way).

[Guaritor]

At least when making ME3, they don't have to worry about how it will carry over to a sequal... so they can easily create huge diversions in the story and have some real choice based story effects.

[IceSavage]

I m in the boat for a whole new squad. I think the ME2 survives will make cameos, but again, the devs don't know who survived for your squad at the end of ME2. Unless there are specific characters that can't die without shepard also dying (thus invalidating the save) then you cant bring back specific people.

The only sure bet right now is Joker and EDI, and I hope that Blizzard some who incorporates them as squadmembers. EDI as an Avatar like in the TV show Andromeda, and Joker get a power suit or is healed to super human status by some kind of alien tech.

I could also see Liara coming back, but the rest I m very doubtful about.

Why? Voice acting. Remember you need a Voice Actor for every single character. Squadmember usually have a large chunk of voice work. Now why do a large chunk of voice work for a character when potentially that character is dead.

I believe most of the character of ME2 who are alive will make cameos, but I think we will get a whole new squad.

Modifié par IceSavage, 01 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[KainrycKarr]

IceSavage wrote...

I m in the boat for a whole new squad. I think the ME2 survives will make cameos, but again, the devs don't know who survived for your squad at the end of ME2. Unless there are specific characters that can't die without shepard also dying (thus invalidating the save) then you cant bring back specific people.

The only sure bet right now is Joker and EDI, and I hope that Blizzard some who incorporates them as squadmembers. EDI as an Avatar like in the TV show Andromeda, and Joker get a power suit or is healed to super human status by some kind of alien tech.

I could also see Liara coming back, but the rest I m very doubtful about.

Why? Voice acting. Remember you need a Voice Actor for every single character. Squadmember usually have a large chunk of voice work. Now why do a large chunk of voice work for a character when potentially that character is dead.

I believe most of the character of ME2 who are alive will make cameos, but I think we will get a whole new squad.

The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

It just doesn't make sense from a story standpoint to build up a huge crew, emphasizing on surviving the mission WITH MINIMUM CASUALTIES, only to utterly ditch them in ME3. Bioware are far better storytellers than that.

[gilpsp23]

Do you think the LI you choose at the end will also factor in such as Miranda or Tali, obviously I liked these two the best, screw Jack headcase. However, could a possible LI from the past get involved. I think they will include at least several from each and let the game play on with those established characters. Adding more characters could just complicate things, I also beleive the ending you chosse has a lot to do with the outcome in ME3.

[Barquiel]

KainrycKarr wrote...


The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

I don't think so. Wrex was probably the most popular character in ME1 (stated by devs), but he could die....
How many people killed Wrex?

I expect a new squad.

[LemuresXL]

i have a bad feeling none of the crew will return as squad mates in ME3...

[epoch_]

Barquiel wrote...
I expect a new squad.

I'm sure we'll see some new characters, but I can't see a complete new squad like they did the last time. It just wouldn't work.

[KainrycKarr]

Barquiel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...


The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

I don't think so. Wrex was probably the most popular character in ME1 (stated by devs), but he could die....
How many people killed Wrex?

I expect a new squad.

You're missing the point; people did not like how Bioware handled it. You seriously think Bioware will blatantly ignore what the fans want?

[LemuresXL]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...


The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

I don't think so. Wrex was probably the most popular character in ME1 (stated by devs), but he could die....
How many people killed Wrex?

I expect a new squad.

You're missing the point; people did not like how Bioware handled it. You seriously think Bioware will blatantly ignore what the fans want?

My thought is this.... how can they bring any back if people might have got them killed?  I very much want Tali back.. I hope your right.  Legion and garrus also. 

[Tuttotus]

I beat the game with only Thane as a lost member. My son made a guy and lost everyone except four (forgot which characters). The difference between his story and mine are large. They could make it where the dead are replaces by someone else if there are cameo. If they are playable then there is a lost member from the start. I doubt they do some kind of dream phase where all of the it was a dream (soap opera hook). So I think they will have more playable characters, not ten, but maybe 20. This will be the end of the Shepard story so I think all guns will be firing on ME3.

[KainrycKarr]

LemuresXL wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...


The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

I don't think so. Wrex was probably the most popular character in ME1 (stated by devs), but he could die....
How many people killed Wrex?

I expect a new squad.

You're missing the point; people did not like how Bioware handled it. You seriously think Bioware will blatantly ignore what the fans want?

My thought is this.... how can they bring any back if people might have got them killed?  I very much want Tali back.. I hope your right.  Legion and garrus also. 

Oh my lord I've explained this countless times; fan popularity.

Take Tali and Garrus(Yes I'm biased,sue me). The majority will have those characters survive. Just as the majority will have Shepard survive(duh).

I expect certain characters to be canon as survivors. I expect the rest, less popular characters interchangable with new characters, based on your choices in the previous import.

Think about it.

ME2 is entirely about building your squad.  The whole human reaper thing is rather small in comparison to the story focus.

You build your Dirty Dozen, solve everyone's problems, and then all of a sudden your elite crew is gone in the next game? That would render ME2 utterly meaningless as a part of the trilogy.

A new squad does not make sense storywise. At all. There are ways to work around characters possibly dying. Bioware has a LOT of resources; they aren't exactly a small company.

[IceSavage]

KainrycKarr wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

I m in the boat for a whole new squad. I think the ME2 survives will make cameos, but again, the devs don't know who survived for your squad at the end of ME2. Unless there are specific characters that can't die without shepard also dying (thus invalidating the save) then you cant bring back specific people.

The only sure bet right now is Joker and EDI, and I hope that Blizzard some who incorporates them as squadmembers. EDI as an Avatar like in the TV show Andromeda, and Joker get a power suit or is healed to super human status by some kind of alien tech.

I could also see Liara coming back, but the rest I m very doubtful about.

Why? Voice acting. Remember you need a Voice Actor for every single character. Squadmember usually have a large chunk of voice work. Now why do a large chunk of voice work for a character when potentially that character is dead.

I believe most of the character of ME2 who are alive will make cameos, but I think we will get a whole new squad.

The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

It just doesn't make sense from a story standpoint to build up a huge crew, emphasizing on surviving the mission WITH MINIMUM CASUALTIES, only to utterly ditch them in ME3. Bioware are far better storytellers than that.

Naturally we dont know what a 'valid' save is, but i think that lets say that only saves where everyone survived are valid would be pushing it to the extreme.  Plus it would devalue the entire idea of the suicide mission in ME2.   Thus, characters have to die, and then cutting out only some characters and invalidating other saves because this squadmate died, is also rather stupid.  Thus, you must have allow for the possibility that any and all characters could have been killed.

So you need a new squad because of my previous point about voice work.


Sure the fans may **** and moan about not having certain characters back as squadmates.  Heck Wrex was voted the Best side kick of 2007 and he did not come back.  Wrex was also very much a fan favorite because of his comments, but all he does is make a cameo on Tuchanka and the fans were fine with it.

If the new squadmates are interesting enough, then I dont think the fans will care too much.


My biggest ME3 wish is that the Art Department finally grace us with models for Salarian, Turian and Krogen Females.  

[Barquiel]

KainrycKarr wrote...


You're missing the point; people did not like how Bioware handled it. You seriously think Bioware will blatantly ignore what the fans want?

yes...
and I didn't like it either.  They knew that many fans loved Wrex or Liara. Do you think the devs thought that we like their ME2 cameo's?

[NeoGuardian86]

LemuresXL wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...


The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

I don't think so. Wrex was probably the most popular character in ME1 (stated by devs), but he could die....
How many people killed Wrex?

I expect a new squad.

You're missing the point; people did not like how Bioware handled it. You seriously think Bioware will blatantly ignore what the fans want?

My thought is this.... how can they bring any back if people might have got them killed?  I very much want Tali back.. I hope your right.  Legion and garrus also. 

Tali and Garrus are for sure squad mates, and will only NOT show up if they are dead.
I wanna say it as though it's fact, but it seems right. 
I mean... your Shepherd and his/her decisions get carried over, some of the games epic storied characters ought to be with you.
So they put fan favorites in dangers way,
not just your Shepherd but the fans favorite characters as well.

[KainrycKarr]

Barquiel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...


You're missing the point; people did not like how Bioware handled it. You seriously think Bioware will blatantly ignore what the fans want?

yes...
and I didn't like it either.  They knew that many fans loved Wrex or Liara. Do you think the devs thought that we like their ME2 cameo's?

You're pretty much reinforcing my point. Bioware learns from it's mistakes.

[NeoGuardian86]

Tuttotus wrote...

I beat the game with only Thane as a lost member. My son made a guy and lost everyone except four (forgot which characters). The difference between his story and mine are large. They could make it where the dead are replaces by someone else if there are cameo. If they are playable then there is a lost member from the start. I doubt they do some kind of dream phase where all of the it was a dream (soap opera hook). So I think they will have more playable characters, not ten, but maybe 20. This will be the end of the Shepard story so I think all guns will be firing on ME3.

this is what i wish for.
go all out, do every possible bit.

if it has to be 3 DVD's so be it.

they just sold 2 million copies in less than a week for ME2.

[IceSavage]

And another point, KainrycKarr, the object of the game for the devs and the publisher is to sell units. How much do you think it impacted their sale figure that Wrex or any of the LIs didnt come back in ME2?



ME2 has already shipped 2 million units, thus the fan complaint about characters does not actually mean they wont buy the game. Only if the game is actually BAD will the fans not buy the game, but overall i think the quality of the game is more important that who is actually in the game. Fan complaints or not.

[KainrycKarr]

IceSavage wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

I m in the boat for a whole new squad. I think the ME2 survives will make cameos, but again, the devs don't know who survived for your squad at the end of ME2. Unless there are specific characters that can't die without shepard also dying (thus invalidating the save) then you cant bring back specific people.

The only sure bet right now is Joker and EDI, and I hope that Blizzard some who incorporates them as squadmembers. EDI as an Avatar like in the TV show Andromeda, and Joker get a power suit or is healed to super human status by some kind of alien tech.

I could also see Liara coming back, but the rest I m very doubtful about.

Why? Voice acting. Remember you need a Voice Actor for every single character. Squadmember usually have a large chunk of voice work. Now why do a large chunk of voice work for a character when potentially that character is dead.

I believe most of the character of ME2 who are alive will make cameos, but I think we will get a whole new squad.

The problem is that some characters are drastically more popular than others, and thus are way more likely and common to be alive. Bioware can't, and won't, ignore that.

It just doesn't make sense from a story standpoint to build up a huge crew, emphasizing on surviving the mission WITH MINIMUM CASUALTIES, only to utterly ditch them in ME3. Bioware are far better storytellers than that.

Naturally we dont know what a 'valid' save is, but i think that lets say that only saves where everyone survived are valid would be pushing it to the extreme.  Plus it would devalue the entire idea of the suicide mission in ME2.   Thus, characters have to die, and then cutting out only some characters and invalidating other saves because this squadmate died, is also rather stupid.  Thus, you must have allow for the possibility that any and all characters could have been killed.

So you need a new squad because of my previous point about voice work.


Sure the fans may **** and moan about not having certain characters back as squadmates.  Heck Wrex was voted the Best side kick of 2007 and he did not come back.  Wrex was also very much a fan favorite because of his comments, but all he does is make a cameo on Tuchanka and the fans were fine with it.

If the new squadmates are interesting enough, then I dont think the fans will care too much.


My biggest ME3 wish is that the Art Department finally grace us with models for Salarian, Turian and Krogen Females.  

Okay, what i offered did allow for anyone to potentially be a squadmate, as well possible new characters. You're saying it's gotta be all or nothing, which is just silly.

And remember, a lot of roles for characters were announced AFTER THEY WERE IMPLEMENTED. This means that Bioware could not, and did not, have time to react to the fans opinions on the new roles.

Now they do.

And I severely disagree on the fans not caring. Tali and Garrus fans are a HUGE demographic, and they WILL be heavily ticked off if they don't return.

See my above post. Not having at least SOME of the ME2 squadmembers would render the entire ME2 plot and story almost completely null and void; it would be meaningless.

[KainrycKarr]

IceSavage wrote...

And another point, KainrycKarr, the object of the game for the devs and the publisher is to sell units. How much do you think it impacted their sale figure that Wrex or any of the LIs didnt come back in ME2?

ME2 has already shipped 2 million units, thus the fan complaint about characters does not actually mean they wont buy the game. Only if the game is actually BAD will the fans not buy the game, but overall i think the quality of the game is more important that who is actually in the game. Fan complaints or not.

You're trying to argue that Bioware will go against fan wishes for the sheer sake of being spiteful, because we would "buy it anyway".

That does not fit with Bioware's history. At all. Sorry Jack. I'm not buying it. And, AGAIN, not continuing some of those ME2 characters would nullify the majority of ME2's purpose and existence.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 01 février 2010 - 07:58 .

[KainrycKarr]

poisonoustea wrote...

A lot of people won't buy the game if Tali and Garrus won't be playing a big role, that's for sure.
I'm one of those people.

Same. I'm happy with ME2. Not happy with the cameos. I only bought the game because Tali and Garrus were in it. Wouldn't have been the same without em.