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[Pacific Ninja]

Am I crazy or am I the only one that think the illusive man works for the reapers!? idk just look at his eyes! Are those robotic eyes he has(Reapers are organic and articificial if i remember right)?

oh and on a random note, I just beat the suicide mission and lost 5 guys. Legion, Jack, Zaed, Grunt, and Mordin's weak tail. and i had everyone upgraded how did this happen?

[HighScore 2600]

On Illusive man i have no idea. I just figured his eyes where like that to cut through bull**** and get **** done. As far as your squad mostly dieing, you need to earn there loyalty and choose them carefully on each choice for the mission. Remember there talents when choosing. I personally lost 3. Thane got a rocket to the face, Zaheed and Jack.

[DK_DOOM]

His eyes are merely cybernetic. If you don't heal your scars and go Renegade with Shepard, you get the same eyes, only red.

I don't think Illusive Man works for the Reapers, but I do think he has alternative motives.

Modifié par DK_DOOM, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:15 .

[Maxiric]

It is unlikely that TIM is working for the reapers, possible but it would make no sense to bring Shepard back and make him fight collectors, which are allied with the reapers.



Not saying he is a good guy, obviously not, but I think he is far more concerned with his own interests then the reapers.

[Lautta]

DK_DOOM wrote...

His eyes are merely cybernetic. If you don't heal your scars and go Renegade with Shepard, you get the same eyes, only red.

I don't think Illusive Man works for the Reapers, but I do think he has alternative motives.

Shepard?! Same cybernetic eyes?! Shepard is working for the Reapers?!

[ashmiranda3waymm]

Lautta wrote...

DK_DOOM wrote...

His eyes are merely cybernetic. If you don't heal your scars and go Renegade with Shepard, you get the same eyes, only red.

I don't think Illusive Man works for the Reapers, but I do think he has alternative motives.

Shepard?! Same cybernetic eyes?! Shepard is working for the Reapers?!

Shhhh...don't ruin the big ME3 plot twist

[marshalleck]

DK_DOOM wrote...

His eyes are merely cybernetic. If you don't heal your scars and go Renegade with Shepard, you get the same eyes, only red.

I don't think Illusive Man works for the Reapers, but I do think he has alternative motives.

TIM's motives are pretty clear by the conclusion of ME2.

Advancement of humans by any means.

It's a fairly standard Faustian dilemna.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:22 .

[Pacific Ninja]

***SPOILER***



but the real twist is that ... Tali is the illusive man... why do u think she has that mask!? or shuld i say he

[ashmiranda3waymm]

marshalleck wrote...

DK_DOOM wrote...

His eyes are merely cybernetic. If you don't heal your scars and go Renegade with Shepard, you get the same eyes, only red.

I don't think Illusive Man works for the Reapers, but I do think he has alternative motives.

TIM's motives are pretty clear by the conclusion of ME2.

Advancement of humans by any means.

It's a fairly standard Faustian dilemna.

This would only be true if TIM was in fact the devil. I find him to be a very honorable man myself.

[WKlingbeil1]

I think it's Wrex personally... Haha, no, I think he's just an egotistical, stereotypical secret-op organization boss. I mean, he's essentially Dr. Evil, except he doesn't want humanity to die, he wants all else to serve humanity's will. I feel like in the 3rd game, he may end up being the tool the Reapers use (Saren in 1, Collectors in 2) to fight humanity. His lust for power would easily be seduced into thinking they would give it to him. I also feel like there's going to be a huge uniting among all species, a war like none never seen before in 3, where the Citadel acts like real people for awhile and not politicians and actually declares war on something. I think it'll be sweet, judging by that final cut scene.

[hawat333]

On the Illusive Man... well, possible, but it would be the dumbest twist in BioWare's history.

He looks after humanity, more precisely, humanity with Cerberus on top. He is a bad guy, but one, who is willing to commit himself to defend the human race against the Reapers. After that (or meanwhile) we'll have to deal with him. At least, that's my judgement based on his attitude and acts.



On the suicide mission: Speak with your characters. Buy upgrades. Do loyalty missions. The latter helps a bit on mission, the upgrades are essential, and speaking to them will reveal their strenghts and weaknesses.

Well, for eg: when you have to send a powerful biotic who is capable of keeping up an exhausting aura, you could choose Jacob, since he has biotic powers, but between you and me, he is not really the powerful type. On the other hand, you have a matriarch and an all powerful biotic **** in your team. So who will be your specialist?

That's it. Think, and make tactical decisions. Not hard, no mistery there.

[ashmiranda3waymm]

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

I think it's Wrex personally... Haha, no, I think he's just an egotistical, stereotypical secret-op organization boss. I mean, he's essentially Dr. Evil, except he doesn't want humanity to die, he wants all else to serve humanity's will. I feel like in the 3rd game, he may end up being the tool the Reapers use (Saren in 1, Collectors in 2) to fight humanity. His lust for power would easily be seduced into thinking they would give it to him. I also feel like there's going to be a huge uniting among all species, a war like none never seen before in 3, where the Citadel acts like real people for awhile and not politicians and actually declares war on something. I think it'll be sweet, judging by that final cut scene.

It is quite possible that he is simply a power hungry warmongerer, but why are people ruling out the possibility that he has truly honorable goals? Because you can argue his methods are less than savory does not mean he completely eveil in every regard.
Also, this argument that he will be a tool falls apart because it cannot be argued that he is stupid. He knows if the reapers win out, even if he is spared he will be scum. If his goal is power he needs to take down the reapers.

Modifié par ashmiranda3waymm, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:37 .

[Pacific Ninja]

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

I think it's Wrex personally... Haha, no, I think he's just an egotistical, stereotypical secret-op organization boss. I mean, he's essentially Dr. Evil, except he doesn't want humanity to die, he wants all else to serve humanity's will. I feel like in the 3rd game, he may end up being the tool the Reapers use (Saren in 1, Collectors in 2) to fight humanity. His lust for power would easily be seduced into thinking they would give it to him. I also feel like there's going to be a huge uniting among all species, a war like none never seen before in 3, where the Citadel acts like real people for awhile and not politicians and actually declares war on something. I think it'll be sweet, judging by that final cut scene.

yea i think your right about the illusive man being a tool in ME3... dang i shulda never gave him that collector ship

[WKlingbeil1]

I mean, I didn't have Thane's loyalty (I screwed up his son's mission), and everyone lived through mine. I just had Samara as my specialist, Garrus leading fire squad, Tali in vent (obviously), Legion took the crew back, and Miranda and Grunt were my teammates. I did have everyone else's trust, and I was like a level 25 or 26 going into it, so we were upgraded just fine, and I had almost every weapon/armor upgrade. You just really have to be thorough.

[jimmyjoefro]

He's obviously Riddick's father.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:37 .

[WKlingbeil1]

Pacific Ninja wrote...

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

I think it's Wrex personally... Haha, no, I think he's just an egotistical, stereotypical secret-op organization boss. I mean, he's essentially Dr. Evil, except he doesn't want humanity to die, he wants all else to serve humanity's will. I feel like in the 3rd game, he may end up being the tool the Reapers use (Saren in 1, Collectors in 2) to fight humanity. His lust for power would easily be seduced into thinking they would give it to him. I also feel like there's going to be a huge uniting among all species, a war like none never seen before in 3, where the Citadel acts like real people for awhile and not politicians and actually declares war on something. I think it'll be sweet, judging by that final cut scene.

yea i think your right about the illusive man being a tool in ME3... dang i shulda never gave him that collector ship

A tool like Joker?  Haha, I loved that line of his.  Looking at your avatar, and a bit off-subject, will they ever get to a JE2?  They have success with almost every RPG they do, yet they've ruined all of them (up to ME... so far).  KotOR they destroyed by making it an MMO, JE they just killed off...  Please, don't do that to us for ME3 Bioware, I don't care if you destroy the ME franchise eventually like they're doing Halo, just make ME3 a great game...  Do it for us...  Do it, for the butterflies.

Modifié par WKlingbeil1, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:37 .

[WKlingbeil1]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

I think it's Wrex personally... Haha, no, I think he's just an egotistical, stereotypical secret-op organization boss. I mean, he's essentially Dr. Evil, except he doesn't want humanity to die, he wants all else to serve humanity's will. I feel like in the 3rd game, he may end up being the tool the Reapers use (Saren in 1, Collectors in 2) to fight humanity. His lust for power would easily be seduced into thinking they would give it to him. I also feel like there's going to be a huge uniting among all species, a war like none never seen before in 3, where the Citadel acts like real people for awhile and not politicians and actually declares war on something. I think it'll be sweet, judging by that final cut scene.

It is quite possible that he is simply a power hungry warmongerer, but why are people ruling out the possibility that he has truly honorable goals? Because you can argue his methods are less than savory does not mean he completely eveil in every regard.
Also, this argument that he will be a tool falls apart because it cannot be argued that he is stupid. He knows if the reapers win out, even if he is spared he will be scum. If his goal is power he needs to take down the reapers.

I'm not saying he truly is evil, nor am I saying he's stupid.  You do know that the Reapers are supposedly superior to us in all ways right?  I think if they wanted to brainwash TIM they could easily do it.  They could find his hiding spot, get him inside one of them, and melt his mind like the derelict reaper in ME2 did the entire crew.  I'm not saying it'll happen, it's just possible.  I mean who knows, maybe that star in his background at the end of the game is symbolic that he sees things Shepard's way, I don't know.  I mean, blue is generally associated with good.  I don't see that happening, I do see him being a definite antagonist in ME3 though, given the way it ended.

Modifié par WKlingbeil1, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:44 .

[Pacific Ninja]

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

Pacific Ninja wrote...

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

I think it's Wrex personally... Haha, no, I think he's just an egotistical, stereotypical secret-op organization boss. I mean, he's essentially Dr. Evil, except he doesn't want humanity to die, he wants all else to serve humanity's will. I feel like in the 3rd game, he may end up being the tool the Reapers use (Saren in 1, Collectors in 2) to fight humanity. His lust for power would easily be seduced into thinking they would give it to him. I also feel like there's going to be a huge uniting among all species, a war like none never seen before in 3, where the Citadel acts like real people for awhile and not politicians and actually declares war on something. I think it'll be sweet, judging by that final cut scene.

yea i think your right about the illusive man being a tool in ME3... dang i shulda never gave him that collector ship

A tool like Joker?  Haha, I loved that line of his.  Looking at your avatar, and a bit off-subject, will they ever get to a JE2?  They have success with almost every RPG they do, yet they've ruined all of them (up to ME... so far).  KotOR they destroyed by making it an MMO, JE they just killed off...  Please, don't do that to us for ME3 Bioware, I don't care if you destroy the ME franchise eventually like they're doing Halo, just make ME3 a great game...  Do it for us...  Do it, for the butterflies.

i actualy never played any bioware game except for Mass Effect, I just thought the icon looked cool lol. And yeah i hope they dont ruin Mass Effect like they are doing Halo... i use to love dat game, now its just blah

[ashmiranda3waymm]

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

WKlingbeil1 wrote...

I think it's Wrex personally... Haha, no, I think he's just an egotistical, stereotypical secret-op organization boss. I mean, he's essentially Dr. Evil, except he doesn't want humanity to die, he wants all else to serve humanity's will. I feel like in the 3rd game, he may end up being the tool the Reapers use (Saren in 1, Collectors in 2) to fight humanity. His lust for power would easily be seduced into thinking they would give it to him. I also feel like there's going to be a huge uniting among all species, a war like none never seen before in 3, where the Citadel acts like real people for awhile and not politicians and actually declares war on something. I think it'll be sweet, judging by that final cut scene.

It is quite possible that he is simply a power hungry warmongerer, but why are people ruling out the possibility that he has truly honorable goals? Because you can argue his methods are less than savory does not mean he completely eveil in every regard.
Also, this argument that he will be a tool falls apart because it cannot be argued that he is stupid. He knows if the reapers win out, even if he is spared he will be scum. If his goal is power he needs to take down the reapers.

I'm not saying he truly is evil, nor am I saying he's stupid.  You do know that the Reapers are supposedly superior to us in all ways right?  I think if they wanted to brainwash TIM they could easily do it.  They could find his hiding spot, get him inside one of them, and melt his mind like the derelict reaper in ME2 did the entire crew.  I'm not saying it'll happen, it's just possible.  I mean who knows, maybe that star in his background at the end of the game is symbolic that he sees things Shepard's way, I don't know.  I mean, blue is generally associated with good.  I don't see that happening, I do see him being a definite antagonist in ME3 though, given the way it ended.

Fair enough. Honestly what I would like to see in ME3 is to have a major choice between three options. 1) Paragon: Unite the council races and repel the reapers (Denouncing past involvement with Cerberus). 2) Renegade: Side with Cerberus and actually defeat the reapers (establishing an unchecked human dominated galaxy by extremely consequentialist means) or 3) Extreme Renegade: Accept the reapers' offer of immortality and side with them.

The third option may be a little implausible I know, but something along the lines of 1 and 2 could happen.

[WKlingbeil1]

Haha, I do like your 1 and 2 options, however, I don't like the idea of not having closure as paragon, and I don't think the devs would either. They're supposed to end the Shepard trilogy at 3, so they have to have complete closure there. I think it's possible, but I'm sure either way will end up with Reaper destruction (involving some core computer you hack and destroy the entire fleet with, I'm sure).

[WKlingbeil1]

Haha, I do like your 1 and 2 options, however, I don't like the idea of not having closure as paragon, and I don't think the devs would either. They're supposed to end the Shepard trilogy at 3, so they have to have complete closure there. I think it's possible, but I'm sure either way will end up with Reaper destruction (involving some core computer you hack and destroy the entire fleet with, I'm sure).

[Sharn01]

Actually, TIM is very evil. I do not know where the idea comes from that a person has to be a jerk or a raving lunatic, to be evil, and evil people can be quite honorable.



Cerberus has wiped out entire colonies just to see if any of the lucky survivor's would develop biotic's. They are responsible for more deaths then all the Reaper/Geth attacks in ME1 combined. They constantly capture and experiment on human's and aliens, the list goes on and on.



I realize that a lot of the crew defended Cerberus, but most people dont actually know everything they are up to, this also goes for any employee. Most employee's working for a corp are all mad and surprised when they are cut loose with no benefits or severance after 20 years of employment because the corp got caught doing something corrupt and illegal.



Most Cerberus employee's are the same way, good people with out a clue, and the game makes it quite clear by the end that even Miranda and Jacob had no idea what was going on outside of their own little area of work.

[Ch40sFox]

Illusive Man is definitely the Shadow Broker..... no way he knows all that he knows, has access to the funds he has, and resources he has without being the Shadow Broker...



Theyve always said that it could be a group of people.... or a single man...



Why not both?



Cerberus has several cells running, all of which run completely independently and report directly to TIM...



It makes the most sense.

[Ararara]

THE ILLUSIVE MAN'S REAL IDENTITY IS...













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He is your father.

[Ararara]

I'm kidding.