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[Abriael_CG]

Lightice_av wrote...
And I'm certain that they can also tell you that adding models that make them more than dyed Caucasans demands a lot more.

Of course it does, but the options that you defined "unrealistic" are just dyed caucasians.

Either way, he is a gay option. And I had no trouble befriending him without flirting. People just have this oddest assumption that there's only one "right" dialogue path.

He'll flirt with you a ton as soon as you start being slightly friendly with him.

You would be very wrong in that case. And for your information, for every game like Mas Effect hundreds or thousands of lines get recorded, and then cut out of the final product because the script was altered midway. A far, far greater loss than one extra option.

You're definitely not familiar with voice acting it seems. I happen to be due to a past job as a supervisor for an anime company. Hundreds of thousands scrapped lines is a GROSS exaggeration. A few hundreds is already an over the top estimate. Also, while they might be some cutting on the english voice acting, foreigner languages are all  done after the final script is finalyzed.
And I already demonstrated that "one extra option" means a whole lot of lines voiced in many languages, which also means a whole lot of resources. And given how crappy the italian voice acting is, I can pretty much see that such resources simply weren't there.

They carter to the F/F niche, why not M/M? The difference in sizes is not that great. I'm not part of the niche, by the way. I won't play the M/M option if one is implemented. I'm simply an avid supporter for a perfectly justified demand in a game that prides itself for giving the player the option to choose.

And in fact it does. Every single choice simply isn't possible in videogames. They simply didn't happen to include the one YOU want. Too bad.

And my conversation with a hater who would have other people deprived from a choice that would appeal to them simply because he finds it unpleasant is over. I will return once possibility for more intelligent conversation arrives again.

"I QUIT!" + Personal attack. People might try to find a more imaginative way to end their participation to a discussion when their flawed arguments have been crushed, once in a while.

[Ashton808]

No offense but I can't stand gays.



And they act so stupid and talk stupid.



That is my opinion and I will stick with it.

[AltitudeNYC]

Ashton808 wrote...

No offense but I can't stand gays.

And they act so stupid and talk stupid.

That is my opinion and I will stick with it.

You are not helping the discussion. We are all being pretty civil so please don't start saying things like that, its uncalled for.

[Abriael_CG]

Ashton808 wrote...

No offense but I can't stand gays.

So much for the "No offense"? 

[diskoh]

Ashton808 wrote...

No offense but I can't stand gays.

And they act so stupid and talk stupid.

That is my opinion and I will stick with it.

ladies and gentlemen, the Bioware target demographic.

[Abriael_CG]

diskoh wrote...
ladies and gentlemen, the Bioware target demographic.

Now now, this is a pretty gross exaggeration. Not caring for gay romance in videogames and preferring to see resources spent in a way that will appease to a wider audience hardly equates to hating homosexuals. 

[AltitudeNYC]

Lightice_av wrote...

The majority of us are not gay and Shepard is not gay or a woman. Yes there is an option to play as a girl, but Shepard is definately a guy. Regardless of what you think there are definately perameters on Shepard. The parameters are very wide, but not that wide.

You're 100% wrong with your assessment. There is no canon Shepard. Shepard can be just as well man or a woman. He or she can be a nice person or a bastard. He or she can decide whether to pursue a relationship while on duty, or not. If woman, she can enter to a relationship with a female alien. So why not a man, just the same?

And as I've said many times, apart from the gay fanbase, there are also female fans who like to play as a male Shepard and find romance option to their interest. I certainly play both as male and female Shepards, and thankfully find something interesting both ways. Why not the other demography? Only because they remained silent while the xenophilic fan cried and made their voices heard, and for that they were listened to.

Now the gay fans and their supporters like myself do the same.

I hate to point this out, but if a movie about Mass Effect came out tomorrow. Shepard would not be my black commander Shepard, of your gay commander Shepard, or a femal commander Shepard, nor should it be. It would be Bioware's commander Shepard. The Shepard you've seen in every official cut scene, magazine, and case cover for the past 5 years. There is no need to get militant over an IP which you are not the creator of.

Modifié par AltitudeNYC, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:35 .

[Lightice_av]

I hate to point this out, but if a movie about Mass Effect came out tomorrow. Shepard would not be my black commander Shepard, of your gay commander Shepard, or a femal commander Shepard. It would be the commander Shepard you've seen in every official cut scene, magazine, and case cover for the past 5 years.

There would not be a Shepard at all if the movie came out. The devs have stated repeatedly that there is no canon Shepard, along with that if there will be a movie, they want it done right or not at all. In other words, if there will ever be a Mass Effect movie, it will not be about Commander Shepard.

And my male Shepard is straight, by the way.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:30 .

[AltitudeNYC]

Abriael_CG wrote...

diskoh wrote...
ladies and gentlemen, the Bioware target demographic.

Now now, this is a pretty gross exaggeration. Not caring for gay romance in videogames and preferring to see resources spent in a way that will appease to a wider audience hardly equates to hating homosexuals. 

Agreed,

Bioware has some of the most diverse gameplay and options I have ever seen. He is certainly not the "target" demographic.

[Eternal Dust]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Ashton808 wrote...

No offense but I can't stand gays.

And they act so stupid and talk stupid.

That is my opinion and I will stick with it.

ladies and gentlemen, the Bioware target demographic.

I congratulate them.

I can't wait for the "Shep is actually a man!" to begin. :innocent:

I believe it's already beginning.

[AltitudeNYC]

Lightice_av wrote...

I hate to point this out, but if a movie about Mass Effect came out tomorrow. Shepard would not be my black commander Shepard, of your gay commander Shepard, or a femal commander Shepard. It would be the commander Shepard you've seen in every official cut scene, magazine, and case cover for the past 5 years.

There would not be a Shepard at all if the movie came out. The devs have stated repeatedly that there is no canon Shepard, along with that if there will be a movie, they want it done right or not at all. In other words, if there will ever be a Mass Effect movie, it will not be about Commander Shepard.

And my male Shepard is straight, by the way.

I'm sorry, I should not have assumed.

[Abriael_CG]

Lightice_av wrote...
There would not be a Shepard at all if the movie came out. The devs have stated repeatedly that there is no canon Shepard, along with that if there will be a movie, they want it done right or not at all. In other words, if there will ever be a Mass Effect movie, it will not be about Commander Shepard.

We'll see about that. The call of money always enticing, expecially when EA is part of the picture. Comics and books are targeted to specific niches and require minor investments, and as such they can afford being side-stories portraying minor characters.

An hollywood production? It's appeal needs to be MUCH wider than just the gaming community and the existing fanbase. You can pretty much assume Bioware would have to put their best on the line in order to ensure it's success and the return of the investment.

Guess what that "best" is? You got it. Shepard. And yes, the male shepard you see in the trailers. You can also pretty much assume that he'll be completely straight, not to mention vaguely macho (bleh).

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:38 .

[Akiada]

Abriael_CG wrote...

He'll flirt with you a ton as soon as you start being slightly friendly with him.

This is, again, why I reiterate a need for the ability to tell any romanceable character you're not interested. It's kinda annoying when multiple characters think you're romancing them simply because you're not being an **** to them.

[Abriael_CG]

Akiada wrote...
This is, again, why I reiterate a need for the ability to tell any romanceable character you're not interested.
It's kinda annoying when multiple characters think you're romancing them simply because you're not being an **** to them.

Leliana
has that if you approach her as a female. if you don't show immediate sexual interest she won't bring it up again and will behave in a friendly way.

Ryuuichi009 wrote...
And guess what the main appeal of Commander Shepard is? Oh That YOU are Commander Shepard! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie] Without that. What's the appeal? 

Call me when they invent the technology to make you control a movie character in a theater. In the meanwhile, if a movie is made (and they already stated there's interest for the idea), You can pretty much assume that the movie will show shepard in all his sweaty shaven-head machism.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:41 .

[diskoh]

Akiada wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

He'll flirt with you a ton as soon as you start being slightly friendly with him.

This is, again, why I reiterate a need for the ability to tell any romanceable character you're not interested. It's kinda annoying when multiple characters think you're romancing them simply because you're not being an **** to them.

I ran into this with Jacob. My Shepard is a lesbian. I selected what I thought was simply the paragon dialogue, and suddenly I am using this overtly flirty voice and had to reload the save.

They should make romantic dialogue italic, or colored like the persuasions.

[FoxyGrandpa]

Kozlovskiy wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

No. Not going to happen in this game. Get used to it.

Sorry.

Don't get me wrong I want this as much as you do. But apparently the demographic that likes shooters are too immature/homophobic to deal with anything other than shallow lesbian romances. >_>

That's not cool. What happened to gay rights?

Well at the meeting, the gay rep. showed up in a rainbow suit. Thats what happened. Get over it.

(I have a feeling I will be flamed for this)

[Eternal Dust]

Name one video game turned movie that did well or received good reviews. There's your answer for a Mass Effect movie. It's not happening.

[Abriael_CG]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...
And if you stick with Shep's story that's even worse because how far away would they stray away from the games? If they strayed far away from the games it would be odd and if they stayed closely to the games it would be better of to play the game which is pretty darn close to an interactive movie anyways.

It's what happens with pretty much all the movies made from games. They chose a canon story, they stick to it. Often they rework it a bit to make it fit into the 2 hours and keep a good storytelling continuity.
Gamers aren't the core audience of a movie, simply put, so no, for most of the audience playing the game itself is not an option.

octoberfire wrote...

Name one video game turned movie
that did well or received good reviews. There's your answer for a Mass
Effect movie. It's not happening.

That's mostly a matter of budget. Times are changing, and budgets for videogame movies are raising, due to gaming becoming a mainstream media.

The hype behind the prince of persia movie is quite an excellent proof of that.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:55 .

[diskoh]

i don't understand the point of this conversation. what they make Shepard in the movie doesn't matter to the game's Shepard. if they make him straight in the film, it doesn't mean he's straight in the game.



Kingpin being black in the Daredevil movie doesn't mean he was black all along in the comics.

[FutureBoy81]

So now there is a request for gay sheperd does this now mean bioware will add this for the third installation, the same way there were multiple complaint threads about the mako, so bioware removed it ?