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[Killian Kalthorne]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Straights and lesbians are already subjected to Bioware's painfully cheesy sex scenes, the gays needn't suffer also.

ALL MUST SUFFER EQUALLY!

[kappukiino]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

No. Not going to happen in this game. Get used to it.

Sorry.

Don't get me wrong I want this as much as you do. But apparently the demographic that likes shooters are too immature/homophobic to deal with anything other than shallow lesbian romances. >_>

I'd love to see my shepherd going at it with zaeed or grunt.. wouldnt u?

[Twizz089]

Captain Jazz wrote...

 Mass Effect has something for everyone, and everyone includes people who are in or who are ok with gay relationships..

Everyone also includes people who just arent ready for gay relationships.  I remeber reading about a kid peguin book where both of the baby peguin's parents where males.  This book was banned from many schools.  The world just isnt ready yet.  Gay relationships is a touching subject, one that many people would rather avoid.

[Lightice_av]

/facepalm. Gay ppl gotta complain about everything.

You clearly have much in common, then.

[Captain Jazz]

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

None of the males in the crew are gay. Thats that. Personality of these characters simply show's that none of them are probably going to be gay. Let's see here.  Jospeh (think thats his name, never paid attention) he had a thing with Miranda, so no gay. Garrus is not gay, I don't think the concept of homosexuality even exists in Taurin culture, same goes for Krogan culture. Salarian isn't gay, has nephew, again may not even exist in Salarian culture.

Umm? Not wanting to nit pick here but... having been in a relationship with a woman does not automatically mean 100% straight, there is such a thing as bisexual, and there is also that closet thing. "Just because" isn't necessarily a good reason to assume that Garrus might not have leanings. Having a nephew has no impact on your sexuality as far as I'm aware... I expect many gay people have brothers or sisters who have children, besides that, having children does not automatically make you straight.
It also seems important to note that gay people have the same personality traits as straight people, just with a preference to members of the same sex when it comes to love... just sayin'...

[Captain Jazz]

Twizz089 wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

 Mass Effect has something for everyone, and everyone includes people who are in or who are ok with gay relationships..

Everyone also includes people who just arent ready for gay relationships.  I remeber reading about a kid peguin book where both of the baby peguin's parents where males.  This book was banned from many schools.  The world just isnt ready yet.  Gay relationships is a touching subject, one that many people would rather avoid.

So avoid it, simple. Just don't force the whole world to avoid it with you.
The option for same sex relationships is there in the real world as well with far more conversation paths to go down and an incredible variety of LI's to choose from... yet you manage to avoid it there, don't you?

Modifié par Captain Jazz, 01 février 2010 - 04:11 .

[GRRiMREEAPeR]

Captain Jazz wrote...


It also seems important to note that gay people have the same personality traits as straight people, just with a preference to members of the same sex when it comes to love... just sayin'...

Not true usually, gay men are more feminine than straight men, and they are supposedly better at decorating... allegedly.

[Schurge]

Lightice_av wrote...

I responded to a post that I saw in the actual thread itself. I only now noticed that you had sent a PM at all. Either the forum mechanics make me see the PM as a thread-post, or you also made the post in the thread itself.

Either way (you responding to the thread, or me messing up with the PM), it looks like I just came out the fool.

Doubly so, as you will see in a minute or two. Lol.

EDIT: I hope I didn't screw up any other PMs, if I did screw up yours.

Modifié par Schurge, 01 février 2010 - 04:14 .

[Selvec_Darkon]

Twizz089 wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

 Mass Effect has something for everyone, and everyone includes people who are in or who are ok with gay relationships..

Everyone also includes people who just arent ready for gay relationships.  I remeber reading about a kid peguin book where both of the baby peguin's parents where males.  This book was banned from many schools.  The world just isnt ready yet.  Gay relationships is a touching subject, one that many people would rather avoid.

Rephrase that. Certain area's of the world aren't ready for it. New Zealand Gay's can marry. Not under church however, but under state and thus offical. Religious marriages are a different thing entirely, goverment can't enforce law on religious beliefs without being seen as evil, or breeching freedoms of  individual peoples. In New Zealand, we have our gay bashers, that will never change likely as long as religious texts continue to slander choice of sexuality, but offically as a nation, we have accepted gay marriages and can see them as family units. Gays in this country can adopt kids, serrogate or whatever else. They can raise children legally.

Many area's of the world are ready. Just it's seen that the world isn't ready because some of the biggest countries are still stuck in the medieval ages, and have yet to grasp the concept of true seperation of Church and State.

Edit: Rephrased to fix something that may have sounded off.

Modifié par Selvec_Darkon, 01 février 2010 - 04:20 .

[Policyofnoreturn]

Twizz089 wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

 Mass Effect has something for everyone, and everyone includes people who are in or who are ok with gay relationships..

Everyone also includes people who just arent ready for gay relationships.  I remeber reading about a kid peguin book where both of the baby peguin's parents where males.  This book was banned from many schools.  The world just isnt ready yet.  Gay relationships is a touching subject, one that many people would rather avoid.

The mind boggles. Mass Effect 2 has a mature rating, kids shouldn't be playing it, just as they shouldn't be going on the internet to look at cheap pornos (but they do anyway of course ). The game contains references to drugs, torture, murder, blowing things up, having sex with aliens, etc. However, oh noes, the idea that some people want to actually have a same-sex romance in the game, for their character, seems to bring some people in a sweat.

The argument that the world is not ready for a same-sex romance in a Bioware game is ridiculous. Bioware has done just that in past titles. The argument about the target audience is also specious since the game appeals to a wide spectrum of people, including but not limited to RPG fans, shooter fans, Bioware fans, gamers (gay and straight, etc.). I can't help but speculate that had Bioware had included some same-sex romance in ME2 we wouldn't have seen any controversy whatsoever.

Modifié par Policyofnoreturn, 01 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[Selvec_Darkon]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

None of the males in the crew are gay. Thats that. Personality of these characters simply show's that none of them are probably going to be gay. Let's see here.  Jospeh (think thats his name, never paid attention) he had a thing with Miranda, so no gay. Garrus is not gay, I don't think the concept of homosexuality even exists in Taurin culture, same goes for Krogan culture. Salarian isn't gay, has nephew, again may not even exist in Salarian culture.

Umm? Not wanting to nit pick here but... having been in a relationship with a woman does not automatically mean 100% straight, there is such a thing as bisexual, and there is also that closet thing. "Just because" isn't necessarily a good reason to assume that Garrus might not have leanings. Having a nephew has no impact on your sexuality as far as I'm aware... I expect many gay people have brothers or sisters who have children, besides that, having children does not automatically make you straight.
It also seems important to note that gay people have the same personality traits as straight people, just with a preference to members of the same sex when it comes to love... just sayin'...

Well, I never said  Garrus wasn't gay, I admited we haven't had much information on Taurian culture so who knows. The Salarians however can't be gay, simply because gay, straight, bisexual, sex in general, none of it exists to them. Their culture has no concept of sex. They exchange genetic data and compare then swap with other clans/houses to create better Salarians. Nothing sexual, there is even a part in the game that show's this. It's in the Citidal.

That was a lot of "not nitpicking" over something I cleared up further in my post.

[Lightice_av]

Not true usually, gay men are more feminine than straight men, and they are supposedly better at decorating... allegedly.

Got to love a guy whose only information about homosexuality comes from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Seriously, every gay person I have ever met have in no way appeared "gay" on the outside. Camp gays exist, but they are just a highly visible minority. Most make in no way apparent what their preferences are.



And yeah, people apparently are ready for lizard man romances, but not to homosexuality. Mind boggles.

[Medhia Nox]

These posts will do little unfortunately.



The calcified majority will always promote tradition and fear change.



The dynamic minority will always ask for change immediately and combat moderation.



Both are unreasonable - but only one of them leads to anything worthwhile. Tradition due to fear - is probably one of the most degenerative human traits. It is seen in the static dogma of any social structure - be it religion, science, law, or heterosexuality.



Perhaps "God" makes minorities so the calcified majority doesn't just stagnate and rot.



The only way to achieve anything is to speak with your money. Don't purchase Bioware games unless they are a product you want. You wouldn't shop at a store that says "We Don't Serve Queers" would you? Then don't shop here.



That being said - Mass Effect 2 is an amazing story - but for that vocal minority on this thread. It isn't YOUR story.

[Lightice_av]

The only way to achieve anything is to speak with your money. Don't purchase Bioware games unless they are a product you want. You wouldn't shop at a store that says "We Don't Serve Queers" would you? Then don't shop here.

Companies rarely listen to people who don't buy from them. They're far more likely to seek to please customers they already have and want to keep. The best way to get their attention at this point is to buy ME2, but threaten not to buy ME3. The Tali & Garrus crowds didn't have to make threats though, just noise.

That being said - Mass Effect 2 is an amazing story - but for that vocal minority on this thread. It isn't YOUR story.

Not yet, anyway. That's what they seek to alleviate here, after all.

[Selvec_Darkon]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

None of the males in the crew are gay. Thats that. Personality of these characters simply show's that none of them are probably going to be gay. Let's see here.  Jospeh (think thats his name, never paid attention) he had a thing with Miranda, so no gay. Garrus is not gay, I don't think the concept of homosexuality even exists in Taurin culture, same goes for Krogan culture. Salarian isn't gay, has nephew, again may not even exist in Salarian culture.

Umm? Not wanting to nit pick here but... having been in a relationship with a woman does not automatically mean 100% straight, there is such a thing as bisexual, and there is also that closet thing. "Just because" isn't necessarily a good reason to assume that Garrus might not have leanings. Having a nephew has no impact on your sexuality as far as I'm aware... I expect many gay people have brothers or sisters who have children, besides that, having children does not automatically make you straight.
It also seems important to note that gay people have the same personality traits as straight people, just with a preference to members of the same sex when it comes to love... just sayin'...

You should know that's not true. Gay people sing showtunes and get their hair done every other week and act like women except they're in men's bodies. Drool over every guy they see and fantasize about him taking them no matter what his personality might be. <_<

They also are utterly incapable of any "manly" jobs like being in the military, don't exist in sports, are all limp wristed, have high pitched girly voices and are somehow all unable to kick anyone's ass. <_<

Edit: I really miss the old forum. At least then the trolls weren't so bloody numerous.

Your post sounds pretty trollish in itself.

[Twizz089]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

 Mass Effect has something for everyone, and everyone includes people who are in or who are ok with gay relationships..

Everyone also includes people who just arent ready for gay relationships.  I remeber reading about a kid peguin book where both of the baby peguin's parents where males.  This book was banned from many schools.  The world just isnt ready yet.  Gay relationships is a touching subject, one that many people would rather avoid.

So avoid it, simple. Just don't force the whole world to avoid it with you.
The option for same sex relationships is there in the real world as well with far more conversation paths to go down and an incredible variety of LI's to choose from... yet you manage to avoid it there, don't you?

Sadly, whether or not it can be avoid wouldnt matter to alot of people.  Alot of people are scared of being exposed to a gay person as if it is a transmitted infection.  These people are sadly, the majority. 

If Bioware added an anti gay character in the game, sure you could avoid speaking with this character or recruiting the character and avoid the dialouge but you would still be turned off and take offense to it.  The same thing applys to the homophoic majority.

[Captain Jazz]

GRRiMREEAPeR wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...


It also seems important to note that gay people have the same personality traits as straight people, just with a preference to members of the same sex when it comes to love... just sayin'...

Not true usually, gay men are more feminine than straight men, and they are supposedly better at decorating... allegedly.

Sweet mother of cheese!!
I hate these "I once knew..." stories... BUT I once knew a guy who was gay... man, if you'd seen him in that boxing ring you never would've guessed that he had a boyfriend, manly as manly can be, he was... if you assume that manliness is being good in a fight at least. That's the point. People are people.
One of my classmates at uni has broad shoulders, does that make her a lesbian? Being gay is about liking people of the same gender, that's it.

[Lightice_av]

Your post sounds pretty trollish in itself.

She's(?) being sarcastic.

Alot of people are scared of being exposed to a gay person as if it is a transmitted infection. These people are sadly, the majority.

No. The majority does not give a damn. They won't even notice a gay option, and will most likely shrugh and pass it if it's rubbed at their noses. The active haters are a minority just as much as the gays themselves.

[Selvec_Darkon]

Lightice_av wrote...

Your post sounds pretty trollish in itself.

 

Mhmm, and thats the part that made it sound trollish. The gist of the post is sarcasm, agreeing with the person who replied to me, the rest of the edit wasn't sarcasm however.

A good point to note is also that sarcasm is completely pointless and totally useless on a text based forum.

Modifié par Selvec_Darkon, 01 février 2010 - 04:28 .

[Stanley Woo]

Let's keep this game-related without getting into sexual politics, please. Thank you.

[Twizz089]

Lightice_av wrote...

The only way to achieve anything is to speak with your money. Don't purchase Bioware games unless they are a product you want. You wouldn't shop at a store that says "We Don't Serve Queers" would you? Then don't shop here.

Companies rarely listen to people who don't buy from them. They're far more likely to seek to please customers they already have and want to keep. The best way to get their attention at this point is to buy ME2, but threaten not to buy ME3. The Tali & Garrus crowds didn't have to make threats though, just noise. 

This is not true.  There have be many times throughout history where a boycott was enough to get attention, and did alot more damage then buying the product then voicing your views later.

[LolaRuns]

If Bioware added an anti gay character in the game, sure you could avoid speaking with this character or recruiting the character and avoid the dialouge but you would still be turned off and take offense to it. The same thing applys to the homophoic majority.

Wouldn't it be a question of balance though? I mean it would make a difference if you had a game with a somewhat racist character if next to no games at this point had ever had any interesting black protagonists or supporting characters. If there were enough gay characters to make it clear that there is no overarching problem with gayness I think you'd get away with a homophobic character.[and I'm sure if there was an option to kill him/her brutally that would also be a bonus for some ]

Modifié par LolaRuns, 01 février 2010 - 04:31 .