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[GRRiMREEAPeR]

GAY squadmate poll guys, Check it out and vote!

http://social.biowar...631/polls/1594/

[Policyofnoreturn]

@Handheld: the last long thread (70 pages or so) on that topic got locked by the moderators (again).

[Twizz089]

Lightice_av wrote...
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Alot of people are scared of being exposed to a gay person as if it is a transmitted infection. These people are sadly, the majority.

No. The majority does not give a damn. They won't even notice a gay option, and will most likely shrugh and pass it if it's rubbed at their noses. The active haters are a minority just as much as the gays themselves.

Dont be so sure, everyone has an opinion on gay relationships, whether they voice them publicly or not

[Crusader48]

You weak gay enablers, I am sick of this talk! I believe gays should be in ME2 for the sole reason of either a) feeding them to the varren or using them as target practice. Also, you weaklings support the gays and you are ignorant to the threat that they pose to young children. Should a child see a man kiss another man in a video game? Absolutely not.
In fact, as Adolf Hitler once stated "Gays have nowhere to come out in Germany, they can ONLY come in to our camps!"

Modifié par Crusader48, 01 février 2010 - 04:34 .

[Lightice_av]

This is not true. There have be many times throughout history where a boycott was enough to get attention, and did alot more damage then buying the product then voicing your views later.

Oh, I don't argue that boycotts don't work. I'm just saying that it's not the best possible strategy with a product that's hugely popular either way. When a boycott doesn't stop massive profits, it's not effective. On the other hand, Bioware has shown themselves willing to listen to the customer base and fulfill their requests. They're far more likely to listen to the people who actually belong to the customer base.

Dont be so sure, everyone has an opinion on gay relationships, whether they voice them publicly or not

 

No, not everybody. Most people in this world don't hold strong opinion in more than a couple of topics at a time. With the rest they just go with the flow.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 01 février 2010 - 04:36 .

[Policyofnoreturn]

@Crusader: second time you make Hitler comments in threads I've seen today. There's better and more intelligent ways to provoke if that's what you're trying to do. -5 for sad and bland posting.

Modifié par Policyofnoreturn, 01 février 2010 - 04:40 .

[Captain Jazz]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...
???

Did my sarcasm completley fly over your head or what? 

I got it
(but by the time I noticed it I'd already flooded the page with my opinion, so I just went for quiet appreciation of the lulz)

LolaRuns wrote...

If Bioware added an anti gay
character in the game, sure you could avoid speaking with this
character or recruiting the character and avoid the dialouge but you
would still be turned off and take offense to it. The same thing applys
to the homophoic majority.

Wouldn't it be a question
of balance though? I mean it would make a difference if you had a game
with a somewhat racist character if next to no games at this point had
ever had any interesting black protagonists or supporting characters.
If there were enough gay characters to make it clear that there is no
overarching problem with gayness I think you'd get away with a
homophobic character.[and I'm sure if there was an option to kill him/her brutally that would also be a bonus for some [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]]

I concurr [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie]
Although... only if they were coming up to you constantly and pointing out how sinful you were to make snugglies with Tali... wouldn't mind them being homophobic as long as they understood that I don't give a funk.

[Twizz089]

Lightice_av wrote...

This is not true. There have be many times throughout history where a boycott was enough to get attention, and did alot more damage then buying the product then voicing your views later.

Oh, I don't argue that boycotts don't work. I'm just saying that it's not the best possible strategy with a product that's hugely popular either way. When a boycott doesn't stop massive profits, it's not effective. On the other hand, Bioware has shown themselves willing to listen to the customer base and fulfill their requests. They're far more likely to listen to the people who actually belong to the customer base.

Maybe, but as Ryuuichi009 put it:

"Anyways: You're better off not buying the product period. If you buy it and complain later it simply looks like you'd still buy the product regardless you're just going to complain about it afterwards. Which while annoying doesn't loose the business any money."

But who knows... as a buyer I would hope the company listens to what i have to say lol

[Twizz089]

Captain Jazz wrote...

I concurr ../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png
Although... only if they were coming up to you constantly and pointing out how sinful you were to make snugglies with Tali... wouldn't mind them being homophobic as long as they understood that I don't give a funk.

lmao

[LolaRuns]

What would be the point of boycotting Bioware when they already have more gay content than most other companies even if there's neither a m/m or an f/f option in ME3. Where's the logic when other companies that don't even have any hints of same-sex options get a free pass but as soon as you do any at all you get targeted?

I concurr ../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png
Although...
only if they were coming up to you constantly and pointing out how
sinful you were to make snugglies with Tali... wouldn't mind them being
homophobic as long as they understood that I don't give a funk.

It seems like that would be true RPG-like freedom. Have a character who makes random homophobic comments. If you are a phobe yourself you can befriend him, if you don't him him you can airlock him/her or something. Same for a gay crew member. If you like that sort of thing you can take him along, if you dislike that sort of thing you have give his personal story a bad ending. Freedom basically. Better than not having an option at all.

Modifié par LolaRuns, 01 février 2010 - 04:47 .

[Schurge]

Crusader48 wrote...

You weak gay enablers, I am sick of this talk! I believe gays should be in ME2 for the sole reason of either a) feeding them to the varren or using them as target practice. Also, you weaklings support the gays and you are ignorant to the threat that they pose to young children. Should a child see a man kiss another man in a video game? Absolutely not.
In fact, as Adolf Hitler once stated "Gays have nowhere to come out in Germany, they can ONLY come in to our camps!"

I 'loled.' This has to be sarcasm, if not well... I'd still 'lol.'

And I am going to play devil's advocate here and say the game is rated 'M'... a child shouldn't be playing it (unless the parents think he is mature enough to handle that particular game)... but thats another discussion all together.

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And my final say and then I am done with this thread for now may or may not come of as homophobic, I really don't care, (read the whole damn post before responding) is that if Bioware includes gay relationships in future games, I think there should be clear conversation options so that if I don't want to get romantically involved with another character of the same sex its my own damned fault if it happens.

That goes for straight romances too, I don't like it that I can only learn more about Jack by talking to her without it turning into a sexual type thing... I keep telling her not interested, not interested, she still thinks I am in love with her. It breaks my heart that in order to get to know Tali better without cheating on Liara/Williams you pretty much have to break her heart... cause in the end it comes down to the same thing with Jack - sex. And regardless of what orientation the romance sidestory may be, it is very limiting when the only way to get to know them better is to sleep with them (I understand things would always be awkward lore wise with Tali, but there should be ways to be her friend without leading her on).

Modifié par Schurge, 01 février 2010 - 04:57 .

[Eidolonn]

This game has nothing to do with "gay rights."  Make your own computer gayme that supports all the gay love you could ever possibly hope for.

[Vanth]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

NM the fact that F!Shep would have to be attracted to the female form (making her either a lesbian or bisexual) to even sleep with Liara.

Not necessarily. You don't need to find someone attractive to have sex with them. In fact, if you equate the sexual act with the identification of sexuality, then homosexuality is just a choice since you choose who you have sex with. If you want to claim the it is something you have no control over, then it can be only based on attraction, not on action.

This is exactly why some moralists say it is OK to be gay, as long as you don't indulge.

[LolaRuns]

Please note: I wouldn't mind the lack of options if the F/F wasn't there. Frankly in that case I wouldn't even care.

That seems.... incredibly counter productive.

[Medhia Nox]

There have been at least 10 threads - many of them 20 pages plus (one of them 70) - and not one answer from Bioware outside of "Spoilers" and "Lockdown".

They're not listening to you Lightice_av. Though I admire your optimism. Sure, maybe they're "studying" these threads - deliberating in some dimly lit office about the "whining vocal minority" - maybe they're not. Only they know - and they're not interested in communication.

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Putting a gay romance in ME 3 would be a consolation prize not a "victory". They've already gone through the meat of the story - now tthey would be throwing us a bone.

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And these threads can't be about the game - because we're not included in the game. (Though we are included in the books - I recommend them btw, they're really enjoyable reads.)

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Look, the games are good - they're enjoyable and the storytelling is top notch. Romantic tension is one of the biggest aspects of any storytelling. I couldn't care less about awkward little cutscenes of two dudes getting it on - but the connection to the character raised by the story of a romance is missing for a portion of this game's player base.

If this is an RPG - then Shepard is MY character - not Bioware's. In a Storytelling Shooter (like Bioshock) then it is the companies character. I make no decisions.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 01 février 2010 - 04:54 .

[Captain Jazz]

Jethart wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

NM the fact that F!Shep would have to be attracted to the female form (making her either a lesbian or bisexual) to even sleep with Liara.

Not necessarily. You don't need to find someone attractive to have sex with them. In fact, if you equate the sexual act with the identification of sexuality, then homosexuality is just a choice since you choose who you have sex with. If you want to claim the it is something you have no control over, then it can be only based on attraction, not on action.

This is exactly why some moralists say it is OK to be gay, as long as you don't indulge.

Little confused here... it's ok to have gay sex as long as you're not attracted to the person?
Maybe I'm old fashioned and weird, but I can only leap on people I love... and ok, I don't need physical attraction to love somebody, but I do need to be attracted to them mentally and I don't have a choice over that... not that my prerequisites are important here, I'm just trying to make sense of what you just said...

[Abirn]

My Opinion is this,



I say include them, not for any moral reasons but rather because I'm sick and tired of seeing people pander to the idiots on fox "news" Idiots that have demonstrated over and over they have no idea what in the hell they are talking about.



Anything that goes against what fox "news" stands for is a good thing in my book.

[LolaRuns]

And the solution here dear game companies is, never put any gay-ish character at all. People would just hate you more for it than they hate the companies that don't make any effort at all.

If this is an RPG - then Shepard is MY character

It's not and he isn't. Shep is Shep. You only get to come along for the ride and give the occasional nudge, but no, you are not in the driver's seat. He is.

[Marvelous Marvel]

Im not gay, but i have been brought up to believe that they have equal rights and deserve the same as straights do, this doesnt relate to a game i guess. But i think that there should be options for male gay gamers, just like there are for female gay gamers. And plus with the amount of crew, there has to be atleast one with those sort of feelings

[coinop25]

Eidolonn wrote...

This game has nothing to do with "gay rights."  Make your own computer gayme that supports all the gay love you could ever possibly hope for.

Um ... why does having a male/male relationship option necessarily have to imply that a game is "about" gay rights?
It did seem kind of odd that Fable 2 had overt homosexual relationships, given that it was a medieval European kind of setting, but I wouldn't say that this option made the game "about gay rights" in a broader sense ... it just gave more options to players.

In Mass Effect, I'd see human male/male relationships as one of a myriad of options available to the player. Players who don't want to see guys kissing don't have to, just as players who don't want to see humans kissing aliens don't have to now (but can). If anything, in a game where women can hook up together, and where humans can hook up with barely humanoid aliens, it's the LACK of a male/male human relationship that really stands out and starts to look weird.

[Vanth]

Captain Jazz wrote...

Little confused here... it's ok to have gay sex as long as you're not attracted to the person?

No - the exact opposite. The position I mentioned would say that it is OK to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex, but it is not OK to have sex with them.

That is not my opinion, by the way - I was just saying that is what some people believe. I think it is also wrong to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex (though not really a big deal).