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[Twizz089]

Marvelous Marvel wrote...

Im not gay, but i have been brought up to believe that they have equal rights and deserve the same as straights do, this doesnt relate to a game i guess. But i think that there should be options for male gay gamers, just like there are for female gay gamers. And plus with the amount of crew, there has to be atleast one with those sort of feelings

 
I respect who ever raised you.. I only wish everyone else shared your views on life

[Drag0n-RD]

Gaymers - An excuse to b**** about EVERYTHING.

Modifié par Drag0n-RD, 01 février 2010 - 05:02 .

[Medhia Nox]

LolaRuns -



And that may well be the case - but then, I have no real reason to purchase the game.



The stories in storytelling games are FAR better than anything ME has produced. RPGs get leeway due to the fact that they must cater to options. A real storytelling game does not.



If you're saying it is like Bioshock - then quality, and not the inclusion of some poorly written romance - would be reason enough not to purchase the game.



Yet - I do believe it is billed as an RPG.

[LolaRuns]

So am I to assume then everyone who keeps going on and on about how Commander Shep is your commander shep and that's what makes this game an rpg are wrong than?

It's called a marketing gag.

You know, how they told people Spore would be life simulation? 

The stories in storytelling games are FAR better than anything ME has produced.

Really? I always thought that most storytelling games have good graphics, occasionally good settings but pretty mundane stories.

Modifié par LolaRuns, 01 février 2010 - 05:10 .

[Captain Jazz]

Jethart wrote...

Captain Jazz wrote...

Little confused here... it's ok to have gay sex as long as you're not attracted to the person?

No - the exact opposite. The position I mentioned would say that it is OK to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex, but it is not OK to have sex with them.

That is not my opinion, by the way - I was just saying that is what some people believe. I think it is also wrong to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex (though not really a big deal).

Oh, thank you for clearing that up.... is it ok to have hetero sex with someone you're not attracted to then?

(nm, just kidding... I suspect further serious discussion would only lead to me shifting into cruise control, so lets not rock the boat... thanks for clarifying though.)

[Eidolonn]

coinop25 wrote...

Eidolonn wrote...

This game has nothing to do with "gay rights."  Make your own computer gayme that supports all the gay love you could ever possibly hope for.

Um ... why does having a male/male relationship option necessarily have to imply that a game is "about" gay rights?
It did seem kind of odd that Fable 2 had overt homosexual relationships, given that it was a medieval European kind of setting, but I wouldn't say that this option made the game "about gay rights" in a broader sense ... it just gave more options to players.

In Mass Effect, I'd see human male/male relationships as one of a myriad of options available to the player. Players who don't want to see guys kissing don't have to, just as players who don't want to see humans kissing aliens don't have to now (but can). If anything, in a game where women can hook up together, and where humans can hook up with barely humanoid aliens, it's the LACK of a male/male human relationship that really stands out and starts to look weird.

It doesn't.  But there are a lot of silly people are MAKING this about gay rights.

Modifié par Eidolonn, 01 février 2010 - 05:20 .

[_baelstren]

YHBT. Look at the join date of the OP.

[Eidolonn]

baelstren wrote...

YHBT. Look at the join date of the OP.

Oh, noes.  Someone joined shortly after it was released and after purchasing the game?

Yes, he could be a troll, but surely your reasoning behind it is completely flawed.

[Ninja Mage]

LolaRuns wrote...

So am I to assume then everyone who keeps going on and on about how Commander Shep is your commander shep and that's what makes this game an rpg are wrong than?

It's called a marketing gag.

You know, how they told people Spore would be life simulation? 

The stories in storytelling games are FAR better than anything ME has produced.

Really? I always thought that most storytelling games have good graphics, occasionally good settings but pretty mundane stories.

 Any storytelling game has a better story than Mass Effect so far. Bioshock 1 had an amazing story, and *gasp* there were gay characters in it. I know it may be hard for you to grasp, but Mass Effect is a choose your own adventure game. Sorry

[Captain Jazz]

Ninja Mage wrote...

LolaRuns wrote...

So am I to assume then everyone who keeps going on and on about how Commander Shep is your commander shep and that's what makes this game an rpg are wrong than?

It's called a marketing gag.

You know, how they told people Spore would be life simulation? 

The stories in storytelling games are FAR better than anything ME has produced.

Really? I always thought that most storytelling games have good graphics, occasionally good settings but pretty mundane stories.

 Any storytelling game has a better story than Mass Effect so far. Bioshock 1 had an amazing story, and *gasp* there were gay characters in it. I know it may be hard for you to grasp, but Mass Effect is a choose your own adventure game. Sorry

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[Lightice_av]

Any storytelling game has a better story than Mass Effect so far. Bioshock 1 had an amazing story, and *gasp* there were gay characters in it. I know it may be hard for you to grasp, but Mass Effect is a choose your own adventure game. Sorry

Hmm...I'm not sure if those categories should be considered absolute - they most definately overlap greatly. What I do know is that Mass Effect made a much more compelling story for me than Bioshock, and got me to care about the main character, which never happens to me with faceless protagonists.



The ME storyline is fairly clichéd when you get down to it, but it's also extremely compelling and emotionally powerful.

[LolaRuns]

Personally I thought that the atmosphere of Bioshock was good but the story was rather unimpressive. Some other things I would put into the categoy of action storytelling games: Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia series, Arkham Asylum, Uncharted



All of these I would rate as having great graphics but the story not being that much much to write home about. As for stories that actually are much to write home about, well, there are the Zelda games...

[Abriael_CG]

Drag0n-RD wrote...

Gaymers - An excuse to b**** about EVERYTHING.

More than that looks like, together with the typical "internet gay", they tend to be quite different (and a lot more whiny) than real life homosexuals, which I tend to find rather likeable individuals instead.

Many of them tend to turn every little thing (including the lack of gay characters in games) in a matter of gay rights, which of course is totally out of place, though mildly amusing (even if annoying) to see.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 01 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[Lightice_av]

Meny of them tend to turn every little thing (including the lack of gay characters in games) in a matter of gay rights, which of course is totally out of place, though mildly amusing (even if annoying) to see.

Most of them aren't talking about "gay rights" here at all - it's mostly their opponents who have twisted the issue to be about them. They're here to prove that they are a viable customer base, and expect to be served like all the others. They don't flock to forums for games like GTA or Call of Duty because those don't revolve around a customizable character like Mass Effect does. Mass Effect promises a way to craft Commander Shepard into your liking, and to many it, well, doesn't.

[Knight of Flowers]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Drag0n-RD wrote...

Gaymers - An excuse to b**** about EVERYTHING.

More than that looks like, together with the typical "internet gay", they tend to be quite different (and a lot more whiny) than real life homosexuals.

Meny of them tend to turn every little thing (including the lack of gay characters in games) in a matter of gay rights, which of course is totally out of place, though mildly amusing (even if annoying) to see.

I know, right?

Just look at all those gays complaining about heatsinks....

Or Biotics being uselesss....

The ME1 LI's being sidelined...

Or how ME2 is ruined forever and is not a RPG anymore...



At least gays keep their 'whining' to one topic.

[_baelstren]

Eidolonn wrote...

baelstren wrote...

YHBT. Look at the join date of the OP.

Oh, noes.  Someone joined shortly after it was released and after purchasing the game?

Yes, he could be a troll, but surely your reasoning behind it is completely flawed.

Take a look at the OP's post history. I contend that the OP is trying to provoke you for his/her own entertainment.

[Lightice_av]

Take a look at the OP's post history. I contend that the OP is trying to provoke you for his/her own entertainment.

Does it matter? If the discussion wasn't in this thread then it would just be in some other with the same topic. In the end, the OPs motivation is irrelevant to the actual conversation.

[Abriael_CG]

Lightice_av wrote...
Most of them aren't talking about "gay rights" here at all - it's mostly their opponents who have twisted the issue to be about them.

You might want to reread the OP, and his first response.

They're here to prove that they are a viable customer base, and expect to be served like all the others. They don't flock to forums for games like GTA or Call of Duty because those don't revolve around a customizable character like Mass Effect does. Mass Effect promises a way to craft Commander Shepard into your liking, and to many it, well, doesn't.

So if a character isn't gay you won't like him? That's pretty shallow...

[Eidolonn]

baelstren wrote...

Eidolonn wrote...

baelstren wrote...

YHBT. Look at the join date of the OP.

Oh, noes.  Someone joined shortly after it was released and after purchasing the game?

Yes, he could be a troll, but surely your reasoning behind it is completely flawed.

Take a look at the OP's post history. I contend that the OP is trying to provoke you for his/her own entertainment.

Look at his date...  look at his post history...  what's next, a background check? 

Your posts are more troll oriented than his.  Good day, sir.

[Ninja Mage]

I really like Mass Effect as a series, don't get me wrong (even if it has a weak story) I just want the option for romance, especially since everyone else has 3 options

[Abriael_CG]

Eidolonn wrote...
Look at his date...  look at his post history...  what's next, a background check? 

Your posts are more troll oriented than his.  Good day, sir.

I think it's named e-stalking...

[Medhia Nox]

I'm talking about Mass Effect's story - and false advertising.



Now, I didn't "really" believe that "I would BE Shepard - and I would get emotionally attached to the character - and I'd want to be him - and I'd learn something about myself - and, Shepard cures the common cold!"



For myself, I am stating that: If they care at all about my business (and they may not) they should consider adding material that resonants with me.



Have any of you ever even played a real RPG - you know, where these tweaked out little computer imitations come from? If you haven't - you can feel free to tell me what RPGs have become - but don't tell me you know where RPGs came from and "What they are."



You assume a role - and that role is under your COMPLETE control.



This is impossible in a computer game (which pales in comparison to a real RPG) - a developer cannot add every possible option.



I believe most of "us" are simply stating - we want an option - or you don't want our business.



I doubt you'll ever see a game where romance wasn't included ( Fallout 3) where anyone complained about the lack of inclusion of this or that romance. ((Except perhaps that there was no romance at all.))

[Lightice_av]

You might want to reread the OP, and his first response.

He's irrelevant. There are stupid people in every camp. Just because one makes stupid comments doesn't reflect them on everybody with similar demands.

So if a character isn't gay you won't like him? That's pretty shallow...

I'm starting to consider you a troll - I already picked you for one in our last encounter, but this is starting to confirm my suspicions. If you actually read my post, you would have noticed that it says that in games where the main character is static to begin with it doesn't matter if he has a sexual orientation at all, or romantic encounters for that matter. In a game where the main character is a customizable and those encounters are a fairly significant part of the character development it does matter.



And my character still isn't gay. How will I make you understand that I have absolutely nothing personal at stake here? That I actually want to defend others in their reasonable requests? The reason why I stay here is because I'm sick of haters of any kind; I won't just leave these threads to them.