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[Pfor]

Any number of reasons. It's mentioned in the game a few times that Reapers are particularly interested in humans. The human-reaper could be a way of understanding the way they think and understanding why it was humanity that stopped what countless races couldn't. Or maybe Bioware just needed a vague connection to the reapers in the 2nd act of the trilogy. Wasn't so big on the human reaper but I loved the Collector/Prothean twist.

[rines]

I feel as though they were making a super reaper. Made of humans. Besides, the repears themselvs cant just come to citadel space if you remember correctly. Not exeactly very close by. Since they are in dark space it could take years for them to get out. With not citadel to open a gate to pour through, they had to look at other options and create a reaper that was in space, not dark space.

Its like having a bomb, but your target is in a building thats on a another country. So you hire someone to build a new bomb in the area of that building, based on your bomb design.

[pterrell]

Well throughout the game they make it clear that Human DNA is far more diverse than that of other species. My thoughts are that because of this diversity they're able to make a "super reaper" since there is that much more going into it. Not a great way to explain it but thats the best I've got

[thepaladin1]

SKYNET has done it again.....my thoughts when I saw it:P

[Motion Blue]

If you consider yourself and species a god.



Then find out some low tech bag of meat killed one of your brethern, you'd want to find how and why they did too.

We also don't understand Reapers, they could be some demented Noah-complex where only worthy species are "saved" by having reapers birthed from them.

[invert180]

Reapers are non-organic/organic hybrids.  In order to evolve and become more powerful, they require advances on both the non-organic side, as well as on the organic side.  They seem to have the non-organic side of things (technology) covered but, for whatever reason, are unable to develop the organic side.  Perhaps it's too complex.  As Mordin points out, humans are a very genetically diverse race... that may be why the Reapers are so interested in them.

Regardless of the reason, their inability to create the organic component forces them to wait thousands upon thousands of years for the natural evolution of life to take place.  After 50 thousand years, they reappear, gathering up lifeforms and creating new Reapers with the new-found genetic material.  The cycle repeats itself because that is how the Reapers grow and evolve.

From the things Harbinger says, I get the feeling the Reapers think they're doing organics a favour.  They think it's an absolute privilege to become a Reaper, and that they're helping races jump-start their evolution.  A race goes from being a bunch of pathetic meat-bags, and into the absolute pinnacle of evolution.

At least that's my take on the story so far.

Modifié par invert180, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:18 .

[JaegerBane]

invert180 wrote...
From the things Harbinger says, I get the feeling the Reapers think they're doing organics a favour.  They think it's an absolute privilege to become a Reaper, and that they're helping races jump-start their evolution.  A race goes from being a bunch of pathetic meat-bags, and into the absolute pinnacle of evolution.

That's presumably why the Reapers hate humans so much. They may well have defined themselves by being the facilitators of achieving the pinnacle of evolution - but humans ended up doing it without their help and now they're redundant

[Geassguy360]

invert180 wrote...

Reapers are non-organic/organic hybrids.  In order to evolve and become more powerful, they require advances on both the non-organic side, as well as on the organic side.  They seem to have the non-organic side of things (technology) covered but, for whatever reason, are unable to develop the organic side.  Perhaps it's too complex.  As Mordin points out, humans are a very genetically diverse race... that may be why the Reapers are so interested in them.

Regardless of the reason, their inability to create the organic component forces them to wait thousands upon thousands of years for the natural evolution of life to take place.  After 50 thousand years, they reappear, gathering up lifeforms and creating new Reapers with the new-found genetic material.  The cycle repeats itself because that is how the Reapers grow and evolve.

From the things Harbinger says, I get the feeling the Reapers think they're doing organics a favour.  They think it's an absolute privilege to become a Reaper, and that they're helping races jump-start their evolution.  A race goes from being a bunch of pathetic meat-bags, and into the absolute pinnacle of evolution.

At least that's my take on the story so far.

Deffinitely my take on it as well.
I think its a pretty interesting and good plot development for the reapers. And as far as why theyre trying to make one in secret before the harvest with the reapers, its because, like stated before, they lost their vanguard, their inside man so to speak, and were trying to replace him so he could do what Sovreign failed to do. Once you thwart them AGAIN, AND stop the Collector threat, the Reapers take full notice and probably start looking for another way to the galaxy.

[Sursion]

I thought it meant; Humans have been the first species to actually stand up to the Reapers. So they were forming a human-reaper to try and form a Reaper that is better then normal. The traits of a Human that made them so superior.

Another theory I had was that the Reapers form a new reaper based on the species that they are eliminating. Not as good though...

Edit: And yes, the Collector/Prothean twist was amazing. It revealed so much. This is what Saren was talking about when he said that organics had a future with the Reapers.

Modifié par Sursion, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:56 .

[Nimander]

They're basically machine intelligences, even if they have biological components as well.



For all we know, while drifting in Dark Space, they're all networked in a virtual reality experiencing whatever they wish. It'd fit the semi-transhumanist themes the series seems to be developing.

[Denomoses]

My take on it is that when sovereign was destroyed the reapers had no way of knowing when to attack.



The technology used to create a true reaper is probably not yet available in the galaxy so they decided to make a human reaper because it was a simpler solution and also because the humans were the first species to take on a reaper and win and thus best candidates for an organic reaper. When Sheperd infiltrated the collector base harbinger probably sent the wakeup call to the rest of the reapers but his plans got screwed cos they destroyed the human reaper meaning it couldnt open the gates for the rest of the reapers meaning they have to find a new way in to the galaxy.



Looking forward to ME3

[Whereto]

i want to put a theory forward, it is never stated that reapers only have vistited this galaxy. They could be comeing back and forth caue they have other galaxy's where the other species are just as powerful and need our galaxys resources to matian the stuggle for the other ones. that could explian why they havest the worlds if all they can do is make more reapers

[Zero9999]

I've been thinking more on their interest with Shepherd and the ramifications for ME3. What if while creating this Human reaper out of recycled human DNA (hardware), they planned on making it sentient with Shepherd's will/soul (software).



I mean, think about it for a moment. Shep kicked sovereign to kingdom come. Why not make your enemy's strengths your strengths? They certainly have the technology if they can morph an entire species, or even if Miranda wanted you with a chip in your head to remove free will.



Food for thought for ME3.

[Jigero]

But I wonder what would have been the point of a Human reaper exactly? I have no idea how this thing would have functioned what it was even meant to do, it's alot smaller then regular reapers and didn't seem to use element zero. Maybe it was a prototype for an Anti Shepard?

[Fishy]

rines wrote...

I feel as though they were making a super reaper. Made of humans. Besides, the repears themselvs cant just come to citadel space if you remember correctly. Not exeactly very close by. Since they are in dark space it could take years for them to get out. With not citadel to open a gate to pour through, they had to look at other options and create a reaper that was in space, not dark space.

Its like having a bomb, but your target is in a building thats on a another country. So you hire someone to build a new bomb in the area of that building, based on your bomb design.

Years? More like  Millions of YEARS...If it's took only *Years* for them to come inside the milky Way , you think they would simply fly there  instead of sleeping for millions of years in dark space and keeping a reaper here so they can come and exterminate all organic life?

*Years* ...

Just to tell you.The closest star after sun  only 4.3 millions light  Years away ..So why they use the mass relay? Oh ya.

[Fishy]

But what i do believe..Somehow they might manage to open their mass relay to work with a different mass relay..You know like a  emergency exit?That the only thing i see.

[ShadowAldrius]

Pretty simple. They needed a new Reaper on the inside to open up the way at the Citadel.



That was the long-term of it. The immediate threat was that they were wiping out human colonies and wiping out millions of humans in order to do it.

[TBB51]

It's how Reapers reproduce. The "why" of their harvesting is so that they an grow and expand their numbers. When Sovereign says "we impose order" on organic life, he/it was (probably) referring to turning them into Reapers.

[Jigero]

I don't buy that they "just wanted another reaper on the inside" if they wanted that why didn't they just rebuild the abandoned one you visit for the IFF? The Human Reaper had much more purpose then just to open the gate way, It was an obvious test for some thing, I think it was to understand Shepard the only organic able to defeat them.

[Giantevilhead]

Suprez30 wrote...

rines wrote...

I feel as though they were making a super reaper. Made of humans. Besides, the repears themselvs cant just come to citadel space if you remember correctly. Not exeactly very close by. Since they are in dark space it could take years for them to get out. With not citadel to open a gate to pour through, they had to look at other options and create a reaper that was in space, not dark space.

Its like having a bomb, but your target is in a building thats on a another country. So you hire someone to build a new bomb in the area of that building, based on your bomb design.

Years? More like  Millions of YEARS...If it's took only *Years* for them to come inside the milky Way , you think they would simply fly there  instead of sleeping for millions of years in dark space and keeping a reaper here so they can come and exterminate all organic life?

*Years* ...

Just to tell you.The closest star after sun  only 4.3 millions light  Years away ..So why they use the mass relay? Oh ya.

Actually, the star closest to our sun is Alpha Centauri and it's 4.37 light years away. The entire Milky Way galaxy is about 100,000 light years across. The galaxy closest to the Milky Way is about 25,000 light years away from earth.

Also, it's highly unlikely that it would take the Reapers millions of years to fly to the Milky Way since they had to fly to dark space in the first place. It's more likely that it would take them hundreds, maybe thousands of years.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:58 .

[invert180]

Nimander wrote...

They're basically machine intelligences, even if they have biological components as well.

For all we know, while drifting in Dark Space, they're all networked in a virtual reality experiencing whatever they wish. It'd fit the semi-transhumanist themes the series seems to be developing.

That's a fantastic take on it.  Fits in with the things you talk about with Legion, where the geth's ultimate goal is to create a singular construct for all geth to become a part of.  While idle in dark space, that may be the time when the Reapers actually "live" their lives.  Harvesting organic life may simply be a break in that.  All sentient life needs to reproduce in one way or another, after all.  The new Reapers that are created because of it adds even further diversity to the mix.

[JudgeQwerty]

I believe they were trying to replace Sovereign, since they need a vanguard to prepare the way, either by opening the Citadel or just by starting trouble.