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[ToshiStation38]

I was totally gunning for Cerberus until the final choice.

[Ararara]

Cerberus is evil, and Anderson is helping you. You find out if you talk to Anderson a second time after you meet Kaiden or Ashley, that Anderson sent Kaiden on that secret mission for clues on the reapers, that way they could prove it to the council. And Liara is doing the same thing, but not to prove it to the council, just to get the reapers.

[Motion Blue]

You have to understand their positions.



The council refuses to admit Reapers exist, discounting it as Saren propaganda. In ME1, you spend half the side missions taking care of the horrible experiments Cereberus unleashed. Shepard died, and suddenly returns helping Cerberus is incredibly suspicious.



The council was just devastated by a surprise assault, Ilos was finally discovered, they're rebuilding the citadel AND have to deal with the Batarians causing ****(Slavers, war, etc.)

[hawat333]

Did you pay attention to the conversation there? Anderson doesn't turns his back on you. He actually gets a meeting with the council, so you won't be a renaged, pursued rogue spectre.

Because working with a vowed enemy of the Concil counts treason. What would make you a rogue Spectre. So there would be another Spectre sent to take you down (I really expected this, the whole teaming up with Cerberus shouted for this event).

Anderson prevents that.

Actually, he just saved your ass.



As for the Alliance not helping out, well, they don't even know about most of the things. TIM doesn't want them to get in the way. Which -considering the threat- is a bad move, but this way you have a chance to poke around without restrictions.

[DK_DOOM]

Motion Blue wrote...

You have to understand their positions.

The council refuses to admit Reapers exist, discounting it as Saren propaganda. In ME1, you spend half the side missions taking care of the horrible experiments Cereberus unleashed. Shepard died, and suddenly returns helping Cerberus is incredibly suspicious.

The council was just devastated by a surprise assault, Ilos was finally discovered, they're rebuilding the citadel AND have to deal with the Batarians causing ****(Slavers, war, etc.)

This.

The devs at BioWare have basically explained this several times leading into the game's release. The reason anybody isn't helping you is simply because they can't. They have established entirely new positions and roles in their lives, and it would just be unrealistic and utterly cliche for them to jump the gun, drop everything and leave to help you.

[westiex9]

The alliance is really stretched thin, they suffered heavy losses against sovereign and probably couldn't help you even if they wern't still having to deal with geth and batarians.



The council's position is sort of understandable, they don't want to panic people with public acknowledgement of the reaper threat and are tied up rebuilding. That said considering i saved their self-righteous arrogant butts they could at least covertly support me! they talk to you like your some lower ward scum!



So yeah were all stuck with cerberus for the moment because everybody else is still weakened. For my part i don't trust cerberus and their xenophobic ideology one bit, they are trouble and my character makes no bones about telling them to their faces that " Im not on your side im just here to stop the collectors and as soon as this is over im heading back to the Alliance"

[ashmiranda3waymm]

Wow why does everyone hate Cerberus so much? Imo I'm much happier reporting to TIM than the idiotic council the Turian who irrationally hates me in ME1.

[VettoRyouzou]

I hate Cerberus for the fact in there mind the ends justify the means TiM has the logic of a certain Rouge specter in my eyes he just a Saren with pink skin.

[ShadowAldrius]

It's more like Shepard turned his back on the Alliance than the other way around.

[ashmiranda3waymm]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I hate Cerberus for the fact in there mind the ends justify the means TiM has the logic of a certain Rouge specter in my eyes he just a Saren with pink skin.

Well if the ends do not justify the means then what does?

Saren was indoctrinated and his logic was faulty as he admits in the endgame sequence if you use persuasion on him.

[asaiasai]

The truth is the best thing the council can do is stay out of your way, if they had done that in ME i might have been more inclined to see they live. By my reasoning, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, if you help me you live hinder me and you die, it is quite simple. I have facts that some people are not willing to accept, that is thier problem, and unless they make it my problem all is well, this goes for the council or TIM. I do not have the time nor the inclination to allow greed, fear, or politics to get in my way.



Asai

[ashmiranda3waymm]

asaiasai wrote...

The truth is the best thing the council can do is stay out of your way, if they had done that in ME i might have been more inclined to see they live. By my reasoning, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, if you help me you live hinder me and you die, it is quite simple. I have facts that some people are not willing to accept, that is thier problem, and unless they make it my problem all is well, this goes for the council or TIM. I do not have the time nor the inclination to allow greed, fear, or politics to get in my way.

Asai

Eloquently put.

[VettoRyouzou]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I hate Cerberus for the fact in there mind the ends justify the means TiM has the logic of a certain Rouge specter in my eyes he just a Saren with pink skin.

Well if the ends do not justify the means then what does?

Saren was indoctrinated and his logic was faulty as he admits in the endgame sequence if you use persuasion on him.

But if you remember Saren history his whole logic before Sovereign was "Ends justify the means". If one loses humanity in order for a fake salivation then they were not just, Giving TiM what he wanted at the end of ME2 may have stopped the reaper but how long before we saw a threat just as great come from a man who only care for human life ((Most likely his own life)) Million of other races would die to his odd sense of purity. But then again that just my opinion To me he be the type who want to turn all the human race into what happened to the protheans case we "technically" saved people.

[ashmiranda3waymm]

VettoRyouzou wrote...


But if you remember Saren history his whole logic before Sovereign was "Ends justify the means". If one loses humanity in order for a fake salivation then they were not just, Giving TiM what he wanted at the end of ME2 may have stopped the reaper but how long before we saw a threat just as great come from a man who only care for human life ((Most likely his own life)) Million of other races would die to his odd sense of purity. But then again that just my opinion To me he be the type who want to turn all the human race into what happened to the protheans case we "technically" saved people.

There was nothing wrong with Saren's philosophy. He simply failed at applying it correctly.

It's easy not to give TIM the technology because we all know Bioware is going to provide an option to defeat the reapers in some more "pure" way. As good as this may be for a video game, choices are not that simple. I will give someone power in order to prevent imminent destruction even if I know the power very well may be abused in the future. In my mind, a misguided sense of purity that leads to a reaper victory is far worse than an imperfect society ruled tyrannically by heavy handed extremists.

[westiex9]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

Wow why does everyone hate Cerberus so much? Imo I'm much happier reporting to TIM than the idiotic council the Turian who irrationally hates me in ME1.

To name just a few reasons i despise cerberus:

1. They back xenophobic political parties
2.They are willing to murder alliance politicians and military leaders(admiral kohaku)
3. They conduct sick experiments on humans and aliens
4. They support the complete supremacy of humanity over aliens rather then their integration into the citadel as equals (think what you wil of that)  (the council may be jerks but they are multicultural and progressive in most issues)
5. Their attitude is brutal and without boundries, the alliance might not always be as decisive but id take them over these Terrorists anyday.

I might not like the current council and their insults but for all their faults the citadel and alliance are in the right place morally, cerberus might get things done but they are ruthless to the point of inhumanity.  ill work with these bastards for now but the first chance i get im ditching cerberus and their xenophobic leader.

Modifié par westiex9, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:31 .

[VettoRyouzou]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...


But if you remember Saren history his whole logic before Sovereign was "Ends justify the means". If one loses humanity in order for a fake salivation then they were not just, Giving TiM what he wanted at the end of ME2 may have stopped the reaper but how long before we saw a threat just as great come from a man who only care for human life ((Most likely his own life)) Million of other races would die to his odd sense of purity. But then again that just my opinion To me he be the type who want to turn all the human race into what happened to the protheans case we "technically" saved people.

There was nothing wrong with Saren's philosophy. He simply failed at applying it correctly.

It's easy not to give TIM the technology because we all know Bioware is going to provide an option to defeat the reapers in some more "pure" way. As good as this may be for a video game, choices are not that simple. I will give someone power in order to prevent imminent destruction even if I know the power very well may be abused in the future. In my mind, a misguided sense of purity that leads to a reaper victory is far worse than an imperfect society ruled tyrannically by heavy handed extremists.

Then by your own logic you follow the reaper this was sarens EXACT Same logic he even say himself that Slavery is a far more acceptable action then Annulation.

[asaiasai]

ashmiranda3waymm wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...


But if you remember Saren history his whole logic before Sovereign was "Ends justify the means". If one loses humanity in order for a fake salivation then they were not just, Giving TiM what he wanted at the end of ME2 may have stopped the reaper but how long before we saw a threat just as great come from a man who only care for human life ((Most likely his own life)) Million of other races would die to his odd sense of purity. But then again that just my opinion To me he be the type who want to turn all the human race into what happened to the protheans case we "technically" saved people.

There was nothing wrong with Saren's philosophy. He simply failed at applying it correctly.

It's easy not to give TIM the technology because we all know Bioware is going to provide an option to defeat the reapers in some more "pure" way. As good as this may be for a video game, choices are not that simple. I will give someone power in order to prevent imminent destruction even if I know the power very well may be abused in the future. In my mind, a misguided sense of purity that leads to a reaper victory is far worse than an imperfect society ruled tyrannically by heavy handed extremists.

I can not agree, tyranny is tyranny, slavery is slavery, whether the master be a machine or a human it is still the same. The council died in ME because i let them, some could argue that i by proxy murdered them, but in truth i told them all of this was comming and they chose to ignore me until the facts were staring them in the face, by then it was too late, natural selection in action. Life has to fight to survive, but to just survive can not be the only goal, if it is then we may as well climb back into the trees. We have to earn the right to survive, that is by fighting those who would enslave us, and making sure we that we always take the higher road. If you choose to do what is expedient as opposed to what is right then you have already lost, because even if you win against the reavers humanity is no longer in possession of what makes us who we are.  

Asai

[Cadet Staff Sergeant Jones]

Screw the Alliance, screw Cerberus. Give us Shepardus, the newest faction. Yours truly gets to run it and call the shots. The icon for this awesome new faction is the Paramour achievement icon, with either a red ship / uniform if renegade, or blue if paragon. Make the new ship not a frigate, but a freaking Dreadnaught. Have an entire deck dedicated to one big ol' comfy bed for all your LI's to enjoy.



Hell, arm the ship with giant nukes of pure love (paragon) or a plague of cross-species STDs (renegade). Keep EDI with her playful self for our AI. Maybe have Yeoman Chambers' long-lost-never-heard-of-before Sister and her together constantly "watch over" your deck that's one big bed.



Mordin will have a lot of fun constantly trying to find new STD cures.



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[FROST4584]

Anyone else get the feeling that the Alliance's had a secret project on (was it on freedom's progress?). Cap Anderson and Ashley( <- in my case) seem like they were working a secret project against the reapers and collectors, but didn't tell Shepard becasuse of his ties to Cerburus..