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[Ararara]

Okay, I'm kinda upset how everyone just abandons Liara, in so many post I've seen, and I just want to explain why she's doing what she's doing. She actually loves you regardless if you were her love interest.




After the death of Shepard, two turian brothers and a batarian,
heading towards Omega, are discussing their asari passenger, and
comment it's been a month since the destruction of the Normandy and the
disappearance of Commander Shepard. When their passenger, revealed to be
Liara, asks if they're close to the station, they refuse to let her
leave and suggestively demand additional "...docking fees". Disgusted,
she refuses and uses her biotics to incapacitate them. Liara then docks
the ship herself, telling the landing staff that her visit is both
business and personal, and that she has "someone to meet".
Later, in the Afterlife Club on Omega, Liara is speaking with an elcor
patron about Shepard's whereabouts, only to be told they have not seen
"...anyone like that here--nor have I been looking". The two are
commenting on a news broadcast that reports the Citadel is still under
reconstruction when they are interrupted by a mysterious hooded figure,
who is revealed to be a drell. Liara recognises him as her contact, and asks
for information on Shepard. The drell agrees to inform her, but only
once they are outside. The drell, known as Feron,
informs Liara that Shepard is dead. Liara is shocked and asks Feron to
see the body when they are attacked by Blue
Sun mercenaries. The Blue Sun mercenaries are attacked by Cerberus
operatives and Liara and Feron manage to escape only to be captured by
Cerberus, where they meet Miranda Lawson. Liara meets with the Illusive Man to discuss Cerberus's motives. Shepard represents
humanity and Cerberus wants his body back in human hands. The
Collector's have hired the Shadow Broker to retrieve Shepard's body as
well and it was the Shadow Broker who hired the Blue Sun mercenaries.
The Illusive Man tasks Liara to find out precisely why the Collectors
want Shepard's body. Liara agrees, but for Shepard, not Cerberus.



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[Mox Ruuga]

Bioware deliberately made Liara seem cold and uncaring. Except if you luck out finding the right convo option, in which case she supposedly breaks down her facade and tells you what's bugging her.

I haven't quite decided, whether this is because the devs are ramping down her role and want to make people choose the new love interests over her, or whether its some grand plan of character building, the conclusion of which we'll see in ME3, where she then makes a triumphant return as a major character.

I'm fairly sure it's one of the above.

[Motion Blue]

Read the comics/novels. It shows her still loyal and friendly to Shepard.



Mox is right, shes part of a grander scheme.

[AndroLeonidas]

Motion Blue wrote...

Read the comics/novels. It shows her still loyal and friendly to Shepard.

Mox is right, shes part of a grander scheme.

I get that part... but I just find it hard to believe she coul dnot find some way to get even a three word message to shepard after he leaves.

"I'm still yours!"

That about covers it in a nutshell!!

[judge_bullets]

The part where she "breaks down her facade;" is that when you investigate the option of "anger at the Shadow Broker" after the second part of her quest on Ilum?



I wanted to her say she loved me, or something in regards to our relationship... did I miss something, or am I clutching at straws? I wanna stay loyal to her... at least in my FIRST play-through...

[AndroLeonidas]

And I think it becomes fairly obvious why they want shepard when you see the final boss.

[AndroLeonidas]

judge_bullets wrote...

The part where she "breaks down her facade;" is that when you investigate the option of "anger at the Shadow Broker" after the second part of her quest on Ilum?

I wanted to her say she loved me, or something in regards to our relationship... did I miss something, or am I clutching at straws? I wanna stay loyal to her... at least in my FIRST play-through...

Nah... she doesn't mention it at all. That's why everyone is in such an uproar

[Loerwyn]

I romanced Liara in ME1 with my Shep, and when I got to her in ME2 I was... disappointed. About a 10 second romance related clip (oh, wow, a kiss), and that was it. BioWare gave me little to no reason to even consider continuing the romance with her, except for the fact that it'll have repercussions in ME3. Well, I'm not bothered because she seemed as caring as a rough sponge

[Solitas777]

Liara was my favorite character and one of my favorite game romance stories (after Bastilla). Whoever, wrote her script did an awful job. A potentially very dramatic and rich scene dialogue was ignored in ME2. Many people have played the game before and what made me buy the game was the continuity and a good story. I was dissapointed with the story continuity in regards to Liara. It was a poor story decision.

[Azrene]

Actually while I don't like how it turned out, I can understand the colder action.



It has been two years since Shepard died, Liara moved on.



She had to find a purpose in her life and it consumed her. It has consumed her so much that she can't let it go until she finishes it.



I think that in ME3 she will play a huge role in it, the Shadow Broker and her is an interesting plot for sure.

[Fishy]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I romanced Liara in ME1 with my Shep, and when I got to her in ME2 I was... disappointed. About a 10 second romance related clip (oh, wow, a kiss), and that was it. BioWare gave me little to no reason to even consider continuing the romance with her, except for the fact that it'll have repercussions in ME3. Well, I'm not bothered because she seemed as caring as a rough sponge

And what you suggest em to do?it's been 2 years .. She searched for Shepard ... Than you meet r and she know you're against the reaper and trying to save the world..

Sooo .. Do you think they had time for a walk in the park and some bongo bongo in the kitchen?
Grow up.


Geez .. Shepard's the most badass guy/girl in the galaxy .. he don't have time for the emo stuff.Leave that to Titanic
Also if you look at it.Shepard's quite cold also.

Modifié par Suprez30, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:54 .

[KainrycKarr]

Suprez30 wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I romanced Liara in ME1 with my Shep, and when I got to her in ME2 I was... disappointed. About a 10 second romance related clip (oh, wow, a kiss), and that was it. BioWare gave me little to no reason to even consider continuing the romance with her, except for the fact that it'll have repercussions in ME3. Well, I'm not bothered because she seemed as caring as a rough sponge

And what you suggest em to do?it's been 2 years .. She searched for Shepard ... Than you meet r and she know you're against the reaper and trying to save the world..

Sooo .. Do you think they had time for a walk in the park and some bongo bongo in the kitchen?
Grow up.


Geez .. Shepard's the most badass guy/girl in the galaxy .. he don't have time for the emo stuff.Leave that to Titanic
Also if you look at it.Shepard's quite cold also.

The "emo stuff" comment leads me to believe you're the one who needs to grow up. The romances are, supposedly, an integral part of the story.

[AndroLeonidas]

Azrene wrote...

Actually while I don't like how it turned out, I can understand the colder action.

It has been two years since Shepard died, Liara moved on.

She had to find a purpose in her life and it consumed her. It has consumed her so much that she can't let it go until she finishes it.

I think that in ME3 she will play a huge role in it, the Shadow Broker and her is an interesting plot for sure.

Liara didn't move on. She is responisble for cerberus having Shepard to begin with. There is something else goingon that will probably be covered in the comics that we don't know about in the game. and if you get the extra dialogue with Liara... you can tell it isn't over as far as she is concerned. There is something else entirely happening.

[Jigero]

I find it hard to believe Liara just "moved on" in 2 years. She as fricken Asari two years to her is nothing, I might aswell just stepped out for coffee for all she cared.



But I was kinda happy, I always wanted Tali in the first place, so bye bye blue lady, I got a date with a girl with a bad immune system, YAY.

[Loerwyn]

Suprez30 wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I romanced Liara in ME1 with my Shep, and when I got to her in ME2 I was... disappointed. About a 10 second romance related clip (oh, wow, a kiss), and that was it. BioWare gave me little to no reason to even consider continuing the romance with her, except for the fact that it'll have repercussions in ME3. Well, I'm not bothered because she seemed as caring as a rough sponge

And what you suggest em to do?it's been 2 years .. She searched for Shepard ... Than you meet r and she know you're against the reaper and trying to save the world..

Sooo .. Do you think they had time for a walk in the park and some bongo bongo in the kitchen?
Grow up.


Geez .. Shepard's the most badass guy/girl in the galaxy .. he don't have time for the emo stuff.Leave that to Titanic
Also if you look at it.Shepard's quite cold also.

It's 2 years - A short time to an Asari. I would expect Liara (or anyone for that matter) to be a bit happier to see Shep, especially if they're your LI from ME1.
If someone you loved (family member, partner or so on) came back after 2 years, you wouldn't just be all "OMG you're back!" for 20 seconds, would you?

[OrbitalWings]

While I understand Bioware's need to stress the fact that you can't recruit her, Liara really did come off as being uncaring. Aside from the kiss when you first meet her, it's like nothing even happened in ME1. It would have been nice to have a bit of conversation with her that references the relationship.



I would have had her send a message to Shepard after the Collectors attack the Normandy SR2, asking if Shep is alright and that you should go see her - and then you get some dialogue that's actually romantic - just SOMETHING that states she still loves Shepard.

[unit77]

I was upset with the situation too.  I was excited about seeing Liara again, but as everyone else feels... damn...  Now I can understand the reasoning for Bioware wanting to have a big surprise for ME3 and I am willing to wait for it.  The main problem I have is the lack of dialog for finding out if she still has interest in you.

I wonder what will be the situation for ME3.  I sure as hell hope she doesn't become and enemy... leaving the only option to find a paragon solution is that you were still faithful to her.  What would be cool is to find out that you have a child or something and that is my Liara is bitter.

I sure hope the lack of Liara and remaining faithful has better payoffs in the next game.  I think I am just upset with the whole romance thing.  Not that I need some hot sex scene, but something a bit more appearant then what they have.  The whole Chambers thing aggrivates me.  The only option is having dinner.  Which you might do more than just have a bite to eat, but they need to say/show that.

[Shauk]

Does it really matter? all the relationships in this game seem highly superficial. They don't seem to like you for you, just because of the respect you command in your position, and how good you are at shooting people in the face. You spend the game in between missions letting them use you like an emotional tampon to vent daddy issues or whatever and then you go "yeah I wanna tap dat azz" in your best "i'ma douchebag commander" voice and they go "WHOOOO"



tho, seriously Miranda, the engine room? wtf is the matter with you?

[Jigero]

Shauk wrote...

Does it really matter? all the relationships in this game seem highly superficial. They don't seem to like you for you, just because of the respect you command in your position, and how good you are at shooting people in the face. You spend the game in between missions letting them use you like an emotional tampon to vent daddy issues or whatever and then you go "yeah I wanna tap dat azz" in your best "i'ma douchebag commander" voice and they go "WHOOOO"

tho, seriously Miranda, the engine room? wtf is the matter with you?

Tali's isn't it's actually quite emotional.

[DrusisShepard]

Tali's was great and believable - you really feel for her being trapped in that suit and unable to experience life as the rest of us do.



I GUESS GOOD DIALOG IS THE PRICE WE TALI ENTHUSIASTS PAY SINCE OUR SEX SCENE WAS SUCH AN IMMENSE TEASE/FAIL.



I was sooooo looking forward to seeing her face. Bioware, you cruel thing you.

[Ravenous26]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Bioware deliberately made Liara seem cold and uncaring. Except if you luck out finding the right convo option, in which case she supposedly breaks down her facade and tells you what's bugging her.

I haven't quite decided, whether this is because the devs are ramping down her role and want to make people choose the new love interests over her, or whether its some grand plan of character building, the conclusion of which we'll see in ME3, where she then makes a triumphant return as a major character.

I'm fairly sure it's one of the above.

I maxed out my paragon before going to see her and was pretty careful. I did not get a chance to see the convo were she breaks down. She did greet me with a kiss and then after that it was all business.

[Never-Red]

Well Liara will probably be very important in ME3 as I have a feeling the shadow broker is going to be huge, and probably involved in the main plot, possibly even reaper ties.



I was romanced to liara in ME1 and because I read that cheating in ME2 can have huge effects in ME3, I didn't romance with anyone. I'm going to have other files as well to experiment, but as my first run through thats what I decided to do.

[Mox Ruuga]

Ravenous26 wrote...

I maxed out my paragon before going to see her and was pretty careful. I did not get a chance to see the convo were she breaks down. She did greet me with a kiss and then after that it was all business.

You supposedly have to luck out and find the exact right convo option, which is available only once. Ask other Liara enthusiasts, they will know what it is.

I have to wonder why she (and Ash and Kaidan) were made so difficult and unlikeable... The devs were saying that people were going to cheat because the new LIs are so compelling. Looks like the truth was that they had actually made the original LIs so cold and uncaring, that people think their Shepards are being dumped. Why stack the deck against the ME1 LIs so much?

Any passing dev care to comment?

[DigitalMaster37]

This is great story telling people. Yes she does break down if you choose the right dialog options and it can be easily missed. DON'T give up on her, as someone has said, she is a part of a grander scheme. I for one will never give up on her. Plus if you stay faithful, there is a clip at the end of the game. I won't spoil it for you, but don't get too excited either; but nonetheless it's more proof that there is more to come. Just hold out.

Ironically this is good for a life lesson too. Just because someone you love changes on you, doesn't mean you give up so easily. Give it time and effort and things may change for the better and then you'll still have that love you've been longing for. Patience is a virtue...

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:03 .

[Schneidend]

I didn't mind it. I mean, they had the near-kiss and Liara decided against it. Why would she say she "loves you"? She never said it before, and now you come back from the dead and want her to say it after being gone for two years?

Besides, saying "I love you" is a commitment she isn't ready to make. If she said it, and then didn't join you on your suicide mission, I imagine the fan backlash would have been even worse. I like Liara, and my Import Shep romanced her in the first game, but what happened was more compelling and better written than everything going back to sunshine and daisies.

Evidently, "Liara fans" want Liara to be utterly in love with their Shep unconditionally, regardless of what she's been doing in Shep's long absence, rather than have her mature and develop as a character. This is a clear case of people loving something dearly, but not knowing what's best for it.

Modifié par Schneidend, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:13 .