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[elearon1]

Like everyone else, I was disappointed to get such a non-response from Liara when I ran into her ... I'd been so excited when I discovered where she was that I made seeing her a priority ... and then all you get is one cold kiss.

That really got me to second guessing my relationship with her and the entire idea of romancing an Asari altogether ... after all, like one of the Asari you speak to said, 'humans are nice to have relationships with because they don't live long and you can move on after a few decades or so.' Having a relationship with someone to whom you will merely be a very short part of their life, while you age and die, watching them remain forever young, might not be the best idea.

Had there been another female/female romance option I would have taken it - the only thing which saved my relationship with Liara for ME3 was the fact I couldn't fem romance anyone else. (and I would have leaped at the chance to romance Tali)

>>The whole Chambers thing aggrivates me. The only option is having dinner. Which you might do more than just have a bite to eat, but they need to say/show that.

Actually, if you continue playing the game after you defeat the Collectors you get a message from her stating she'd like to meet in your room - during which you get more interaction.

>>Plus if you stay faithful, there is a clip at the end of the game. I won't spoil it for you, but don't get too excited either; but nonetheless it's more proof that there is more to come. Just hold out.<<

You'll have to spoil this for me - send me a private message if you like - but if there is a clip at the end of the game about Liara, I somehow missed it.

Modifié par elearon1, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:36 .

[ratzerman]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

I have to wonder why she (and Ash and Kaidan) were made so difficult and unlikeable... The devs were saying that people were going to cheat because the new LIs are so compelling. Looks like the truth was that they had actually made the original LIs so cold and uncaring, that people think their Shepards are being dumped. Why stack the deck against the ME1 LIs so much?

Any passing dev care to comment?

The conspiracy theorist in me says that Bioware made the ME1 love interests unlikable on purpose to skew the percentage of cheaters vs. faithfuls so far to one side that they could dump the original LIs entirely, and chalk it up to fan demand.

"We had such a huge response to the new romances, we decided to give the fans what they wanted....."

As for a dev comment..... that sure would be nice.  Is the one-shot chance to see the real Liara a bug?  Or did you really want to give most players the impression that she's become a cold-hearted shell of her former self, obsessed with revenge?  But I'm not going to hold my breath for answers.  Chris Priestly made it pretty clear before the game shipped that us ME1 LI fans are just about last on Bioware's list of priorities.

Modifié par ratzerman, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:43 .

[grumpymooselion]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Motion Blue wrote...

Read the comics/novels. It shows her still loyal and friendly to Shepard.

Mox is right, shes part of a grander scheme.

I get that part... but I just find it hard to believe she coul dnot find some way to get even a three word message to shepard after he leaves.

"I'm still yours!"

That about covers it in a nutshell!!

When I played through on a Shepard that had actually gotten in a Relationship with her, she threw herself at him when he walked in the door.

Did no one else notice the mass face mashing that went on?

I took that to mean she still cared.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 30 janvier 2010 - 03:46 .

[ratzerman]

Janan Pacha wrote...
Did no one else notice the mass face mashing that went on?

I took that to mean she still cared.

I wouldn't exactly call that face mashing. 
You get one kiss, and when Shep tries to prolong it, she shuts her/him down.

Modifié par ratzerman, 30 janvier 2010 - 04:02 .

[Mox Ruuga]

ratzerman wrote...


The conspiracy theorist in me says that Bioware made the ME1 love interests unlikable on purpose to skew the percentage of cheaters vs. faithfuls so far to one side that they could dump the original LIs entirely, and chalk it up to fan demand.

"We had such a huge response to the new romances, we decided to give the fans what they wanted....."

As for a dev comment..... that sure would be nice.  Is the one-shot chance to see the real Liara a bug?  Or did you really want to give most players the impression that she's become a cold-hearted shell of her former self, obsessed with revenge?  But I'm not going to hold my breath for answers.  Chris Priestly made it pretty clear before the game shipped that us ME1 LI fans are just about last on Bioware's list of priorities.

Well, they can't change their plans too much now. Luckily, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, and Jack are all killable. You can't build up your game's plot around characters that may or may not be around. They also can't become the "primary" romances now. Perhaps they made the choice to make the ME2 squad mortal precisely for that reason in the first place? To commit themselves to marginalizing them.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Miranda, Mordin, and Jacob back in ME3. But how can they have major, non-interchangable roles, if many other players had them killed in their suicide run? Mordin, in particular, seems to have died for many.

[Alixen]

>>Plus if you stay faithful, there is a clip at the end of the game. I won't spoil it for you, but don't get too excited either; but nonetheless it's more proof that there is more to come. Just hold out.

Mind spoiling me too via PM? For my first playthrough (since I already knew i'd be New Game+ing until I get a perfect ShepLiara with everyone surviving my first playthrough I tried out the Tali romance.)

I'm actually pretty happy with how the Liara thing turned out compared to Ash/Kaid. She gives you a kiss for one. It may be bittersweet but it shows you both still care. You can also get her to break down and admit she couldn't bear losing you to the point she's still dealing with the fallout.

Gives me hope for ME3 and mah Liara romance. =D

Modifié par Alixen, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:42 .

[judge_bullets]

Just a quick question in regards to staying faithful: on my first run, since I imported my character, can I stray initially, then on subsequent playthroughs stay faithful and have the latter transfer over to ME3? Or do my choices carry over in subsequent playthroughs?



Thanks.

[ReluctantMind]

Could somebody who knows just lay out how to get Liara to open up? Or at least confirm when in the series of missions the opportunity arises? I got nothing but her obsession with the shadow broker on my playthrough and would like to know how to get to the insight her opening up provides.

[Nastrod]

As far as people cheating on Liara well it is a game and I think some are forgetting this. It is not like I am really staying faithful or cheating on someone. Every time I played ME1 she was my LI except one time so I do like her character but ya no reason for me to have more then one save where I did not cheat. There is also other great Characters to have as a LI for example I really like Jack.

People should experience as much as they can with the game without feeling like they are really cheating on a gamer person. Fine first playthru stay faithful but second one check out another LI just to experience more game.

When ME3 rolls out I will have a save were I stayed faithful to Liara but also ones to Jack,Tali, and Miranda.

Modifié par Nastrod, 28 février 2010 - 11:08 .

[Fjordgnu]

I just - literally minutes ago - rescued Liara after starting a new ME1 game, so that I could have my cake and eat it too. I mean to steer clear of all romance, but Liara makes it exceptionally difficult. I really like her in the first game.



That said, while her change in ME2 was unexpected and not at all what I would've wanted, I wasn't *disappointed*. I think it adds depth to their relationship, and I'd be surprised if patience wasn't rewarded in ME3. Some quest involving her tracking down and killing the Shadow Broker, for instance, where after dealing the killing blow she breaks down, and still-faithful Shepard comforts her. Obviously just my hope and idea, but there you have it. I don't quite understand the complaints.

[GnusmasTHX]

ReluctantMind wrote...

Could somebody who knows just lay out how to get Liara to open up? Or at least confirm when in the series of missions the opportunity arises? I got nothing but her obsession with the shadow broker on my playthrough and would like to know how to get to the insight her opening up provides.

Wow, nice necro, but I'll oblige.

Just do all(both) her quests and go back to talk to her.

Continue to select options on the LEFT side of the dialog wheel until one comes up that says "Anger at the Shadow Broker" (I think it's on the bottom left, but left for sure). It's fairly obvious and not "hidden" in any capacity, so I don't know why people regard it as such. Anyway, then she'll tell you the plot for ME: Redemption, albeit in a sad manner.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 28 février 2010 - 11:11 .

[Schroing]

Nothing can justify the batman voice.

[Nozybidaj]

Motion Blue wrote...
Mox is right, shes part of a grander scheme.

KainrycKarr wrote...

The romances are, supposedly, an integral part of the story.

So grand and so integral that she isn't even in ME2.  Call me impressed. <_<

[Mooner911]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...
While I understand Bioware's need to stress the fact that you can't recruit her, Liara really did come off as being uncaring. Aside from the kiss when you first meet her, it's like nothing even happened in ME1. It would have been nice to have a bit of conversation with her that references the relationship.
I would have had her send a message to Shepard after the Collectors attack the Normandy SR2, asking if Shep is alright and that you should go see her - and then you get some dialogue that's actually romantic - just SOMETHING that states she still loves Shepard.

I've run a femShep with Liara as LI, and her actions started making sense once I realized that Liara actually took the 'male' role in the relationship. She's not cold in ME2, she's just stubborn and single-minded like a guy.
With that in mind, perhaps Liara's LI is more suited to be a woman.

Modifié par Mooner911, 01 mars 2010 - 12:20 .

[jtav]

I think it's actually pretty good storytelling. Everything Liara has done for the last two years has been because of Shepard. S/he's why she's seeking vengance, but that vengance has so consumed her that it's now more important to her than Shepard. Tragedy at its finest. We may or may not get a chance to reverse her downward slide in 3.

[Nozybidaj]

jtav wrote...

I think it's actually pretty good storytelling. Everything Liara has done for the last two years has been because of Shepard. S/he's why she's seeking vengance, but that vengance has so consumed her that it's now more important to her than Shepard. Tragedy at its finest. We may or may not get a chance to reverse her downward slide in 3.

I think it would have been good story telling if they had actually, you know, told the story.  Instead it is just sprung on you out of nowhere.  There is no explanation, no exposition no nothing. 

I would find it hard to call taking a loved and popular character from a first chapter in a story and present them in the second with a completely changed attitude and direction with no explanation as to how or why it happened nor showing anything that led up to that and call it good story telling. /rolleyes