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[Ninja Mage]

No the analogy is more like



"I'd like 1 ticket to Avatar"

"Sure, $10 please"

"Wait..is the main character going to have gay sex with one of the big blue males"?

"No, but the female protagonist is going to have sex with a blue..."

"Can you get the director to change the movie so he does?"

"Excuse me?" We can have girl on girl, but no guy on guy!

"I'd like to have my sexuality validated when I watch this movie."

"Sorry, I can only do that for straight males"

"So you descriminate against Gays!"

"Pretty Much"

[Lightice_av]

A bad analogy; movies aren't customizable for the viewers' benefit - Mass Effect is. It would only work if you actually got a chance to customize Avatar's plot to your liking before watching it, but that one option was absent.

[T1l]

A more apt analogy would be calling a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure novel that didn't have gay sex in it discriminatory.

[Ninja Mage]

I know, I'm just going by the logic that was presented..

[newcomplex]

Ninja Mage wrote...

No the analogy is more like

"I'd like 1 ticket to Avatar"
"Sure, $10 please"
"Wait..is the main character going to have gay sex with one of the big blue males"?
"No, but the female protagonist is going to have sex with a blue..."
"Can you get the director to change the movie so he does?"
"Excuse me?" We can have girl on girl, but no guy on guy!
"I'd like to have my sexuality validated when I watch this movie."
"Sorry, I can only do that for straight males"
"So you descriminate against Gays!"
"Pretty Much"

wat is this I don't even.....

Bioware owes you nothing.

They dont have to make a gay romance.    Not ever book needs a gay romance.    Not every story needs a gay romance.   Not every RPG needs a gay romance.    If that is enough to make you not buy ME3, then k, I don't care, and neither does EA.     It probably isn't.   

Mass Effect is a story.    A story where the writers chose not to have a gay romance.

I don't even get how you could argue that.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 février 2010 - 12:03 .

[Hilmer]

Love the allegories.



But seriously, what is wrong with same-sex romances (shark burgers) enriching the gaming experience for people who enjoy it. I really don't see the point in people here trying to fight its possible inclusion tooth and nail. Of them I ask :what do you stand to lose if it's included?

[Mummolus]

Couldn't this have gone in the other gay thread?

[Lightice_av]

Mass Effect is a story. A story where the writers chose not to have a gay romance.



I don't even get how you could argue that.

Because they chose every other option in the book. If there was just standard hetero romance, I don't think that anyone would have noticed or complained. But instead you get two counts of F/F options, as well as ton of xenophilia options with extremely strange aliens. The M/M option has become extremely conspicuous in its absence because of all of these.

Bioware is yet to learn that if you open a door, you better open it all the way, or there will be consequences.

[T1l]

"This is an outrage!" - Udina.

[newcomplex]

Hilmer wrote...

Love the allegories.

But seriously, what is wrong with same-sex romances (shark burgers) enriching the gaming experience for people who enjoy it. I really don't see the point in people here trying to fight its possible inclusion tooth and nail. Of them I ask :what do you stand to lose if it's included?

I'm not against it, I don't think anyone in this thread is.    This thread is trying to justify it.    Which are entirely different things.   You can ask for it, and if bioware is nice, they'll give it to you.    What your doing here is trying to make it seem illogical NOT to have a gay romance.     Its entirely up to them, and their decision either way isn't right or wrong.    Its a artistic decision.   

Lightice_av wrote...

Mass Effect is a story.
A story where the writers chose not to have a gay romance.

I
don't even get how you could argue that.

Because
they chose every other option in the book. If there was just standard
hetero romance, I don't think that anyone would have noticed or
complained. But instead you get two counts of F/F options, as well as
ton of xenophilia options with extremely strange aliens. The M/M option
has become extremely conspicuous in its absence because of all of these.

Bioware is yet to learn that if you open a door, you better open it
all the way, or there will be consequences.

What?    First of all, having alien romances isn't a valid point.     Xenophelia is a word you made up.      People who like girl aliens are just guys with kinky tastes, it isn't really a sexuality.   

Your saying that if we can have a f/f, the developers HAVE to implement m/m?   What the ****?     That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.    ZOMG THEIR ARE NO LESBIANS IN BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN.    I WANT LESBIANS IN BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN (actually I do)

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 février 2010 - 12:09 .

[Ninja Mage]

I wouldn't have a problem with no gay romances if FemShep couldn't be a lesbian. But she can so the whole game smacks of pandering

[newcomplex]

Ninja Mage wrote...


I wouldn't have a problem with no gay romances if FemShep couldn't be a lesbian. But she can so the whole game smacks of pandering

No you have it all wrong.    Nobody is stopping your male shep from being gay.    Their just happens to be no gay crewmates who are interested in a relationship with you.    Sorry.    Thankfully for lesbians, their happens to be a race of unisexual female humanoids, which are extremely common in the Galaxy.  

This entire thread is nuts.    Seriously, go back to the other thread, that one at least made sense.    It just requested a M/M relationship.   This one seems to imply that if their isn't one, bioware is doing some wrong.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 février 2010 - 12:13 .

[Ninja Mage]

newcomplex wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


I wouldn't have a problem with no gay romances if FemShep couldn't be a lesbian. But she can so the whole game smacks of pandering

No you have it all wrong.    Nobody is stopping your male shep from being gay.    Their just happens to be no gay crewmates who are interested in a relationship with you.    Sorry.    Thankfully for lesbians, their happens to be a race of unisexual female humanoids, which are extremely common in the Galaxy.  

Exactly my point. Pandering, femshep can be gay and have a love interest, male shep can't. That's why this topic even exists. Sorry

[Lightice_av]

What? First of all, having alien romances isn't a valid point. Xenophelia is a word you made up. People who like girl aliens are just guys with kinky tastes, it isn't really a sexuality.

Xenophilia is a very real word. Seek it from a dictionary some day. It means "love of strange/exotic". The opposite of "xenophobia". And look at Garrus; you need to have an unusual fetish to think of him sexually.

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

Perhaps you ought to go out more in that case. Shepard is extremely customizable character; he or she is given every other option imaginable, but not that single one. That is singling out a single major option. It's very blantant, and somewhat disturbing even for me, even though it doesn't touch me personally.

[DaeJi]

Having a thread about this prevents the discussion from leaking into other areas; you know, the thing that people hated when these forums began. Plus, if you do not like a thread, ignore it. I do it all the time.



On topic, I don't know about numbers or stats or such. I follow social trends; my belief is that same sex romance isn't an issue for most players, but a lot of players would download it if it is patched it. As for whether or not it's worth putting in, romance are a popular part of BioWare's gameplay. Expanding it in some way is what a lot of people here want.

[newcomplex]

Lightice_av wrote...

What? First of all,
having alien romances isn't a valid point. Xenophelia is a word you
made up. People who like girl aliens are just guys with kinky
tastes, it isn't really a sexuality.

Xenophilia is a
very real word. Seek it from a dictionary some day. It means "love of
strange/exotic". The opposite of "xenophobia". And look at Garrus; you
need to have an unusual fetish to think of him sexually.

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

Perhaps you ought to go out more in that case. Shepard is
extremely customizable character; he or she is given every other option
imaginable, but not that single one. That is singling out a single major
option. It's very blantant, and somewhat disturbing even for me, even
though it doesn't touch me personally.

Your given the option to romance almost everyone on your ship.   Apparently, none of them are gay.   

The gist of this thread is absurd.   You guys are saying that if I include one minority, I have to cater towards every one of them.    Thats a surefire way to stop getting any minority included except for straight/white.

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 février 2010 - 12:19 .

[Lightice_av]

Your given the
option to almost everyone on your ship. Apparently, none of them are
gay.

The characters are completely fictional, creations of the scriptwriters. They decide who is or isn't gay. One of them could have been gay easily without altering their personality at all. This option wasn't taken. Tali wasn't originally intended to be a love-interest at all, but when fans demanded her to become one, their wish was granted, and she was retconned into falling in love with male Shepard. The point is, you can't absolutely say "none of these characters were gay, too bad", like they were real people invited to play the game - they're not real, and they can be changed when need be.

The gist of this thread is absurd.   You guys are saying that if I
include one minority, I have to cater towards every one of them.

 

It is not absurd at all. As I said earlier, when you open a door, you better be ready to open in completely. It is discriminative to add in every imaginable minority option except single one that remains elusive. It wouldn't have been if minority options hadn't been there in the first place. 

Modifié par Lightice_av, 16 février 2010 - 12:22 .

[newcomplex]

Lightice_av wrote...

Your given the
option to almost everyone on your ship. Apparently, none of them are
gay.

The characters are completely fictional, creations of the scriptwriters. They decide who is or isn't gay. One of them could have been gay easily without altering their personality at all. This option wasn't taken. Tali wasn't originally intended to be a love-interest at all, but when fans demanded her to become one, their wish was granted, and she was retconned into falling in love with male Shepard. The point is, you can't absolutely say "none of these characters were gay, too bad", like they were real people invited to play the game - they're not real, and they can be changed when need be.

And the script writers decided that non of their characters are gay.

Are you saying its bad if a show features no gay cast members?   If their are no gay people in a movie?    Or if their is a gay guy, their needs to be a lesbian?    No lesbians in brokeback mountain, much to my chagrin .


Also, not every single minority is implemented.   We have all of two.    Homosexual female, straight m/f.

Their is a distinct lack of transgendered romances in this game.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[Chromie]

mohdhm wrote...

ok. here is somehting to account for.

Romances are a bonus, not a reason why 99.9% of the people play mass effect.

Remove romance in the 3rd and i doubt anyone would care.

Interesting, where did you get that statistic?

America represents ignorance. I am American blah...

But who cares if there is a gay scene go watch porn

[Lightice_av]

? Or if their is a gay guy, their needs to be a lesbian? No lesbians in brokeback mountain, much to my chagrin

Movie analogy does not work, as I said above. Brokeback Mountain tells about men exclusively. You can't change the protagonists into female. In Mass Effect you can choose your character's gender, but you can only choose their sexuality if you choose female.

[newcomplex]

Lightice_av wrote...

? Or if their is a gay guy, their needs to be a lesbian? No lesbians in brokeback mountain, much to my chagrin

Movie analogy does not work, as I said above. Brokeback Mountain tells about men exclusively. You can't change the protagonists into female. In Mass Effect you can choose your character's gender, but you can only choose their sexuality if you choose female.

You can choose your sexuality too if your a guy.  (in ME, dont misquote me)

As I said, their just happens to be no gay squad members.

Also, their are no transgendered romances in the game, much to a friend of mines chagrin as well.    Their is a distinct lack of androgynous romances for pansexuals.      Finally, their are many beliefs in the world, many of them even religious, that contest the existence of only two sexes.     Mass Effects dealings with alien sexuality could have easily portrayed a race that had three, or more, sexes, but did not, discriminating against polysexuals.

This is talking purely about common sexualities.     I'm not going to be satircal and talk about how we can't **** the normandy.     All these sexualities equally as valid as homosexuality.     Non of them are excessively "creepy", or detrimental to society (so nothing like necrophilia or pedophelia) Their not as common, but homosexuality isn't as common as hetereosexuality either, so you don't really have a right to make judgements about them.    

You know why homosexuality is a legit concern, but none of the aforementioned are?   Because of the quanitity of gay people.    Theirs  no right.   Theirs no wrong.  Their is only demand.    You are demanding something Bioware needn't deliver.     Morally, bioware is as obligated to deliver a transexual romance as much as a gay romance (not at all).    Your party simply is more vocal.   Its as simple as that.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 février 2010 - 12:34 .

[Ryzaki]

Ringo12 wrote...

mohdhm wrote...

ok. here is somehting to account for.

Romances are a bonus, not a reason why 99.9% of the people play mass effect.

Remove romance in the 3rd and i doubt anyone would care.

Interesting, where did you get that statistic?

America represents ignorance. I am American blah...

But who cares if there is a gay scene go watch porn

I find that hilariously ironic given your siggy.

[Lightice_av]

Also, their are no transgendered romances in the game, much to a friend of mines chagrin as well.

I happen to have a transgendered sibling. I know for a fact that "transgendered" is not a sexual identity. It's a gender identity. A transgendered person plays as the gender they identify as. End of story. The same goes for your "androgynous" sexuality; an oxymoron if there's ever been one.

As I said, their just happens to be no gay squad members.

And I say that every other option is cartered; why not this one?

[newcomplex]

Lightice_av wrote...

Also, their are no transgendered romances in the game, much to a friend of mines chagrin as well.

I happen to have a transgendered sibling. I know for a fact that "transgendered" is not a sexual identity. It's a gender identity. A transgendered person plays as the gender they identify as. End of story. The same goes for your "androgynous" sexuality; an oxymoron if there's ever been one.

As I said, their just happens to be no gay squad members.

And I say that every other option is cartered; why not this one?

Gotcha.

Trangenderism represents a whole range of sexual and gender identity.     As an example, Many transvestites are not clinically transexual, but rather are Autogynephilaic Bisexuals.     For them, the idea of have a female body within the context of a male body (a chick with a penis, in short) is their main source of eroticism.     Their are many others.     This is often commonly manifested in cross dressing (which you cannot do in ME ).   

Nobody is discriminating against homosexuals.    Bioware has included a homosexual relationship in almost every one of their games.    Their writers chose that nobody on the Normandy was gay or bi, because they felt it did not contribute towards their personality and their role in the plot.    End of story.

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[Mooner911]

I'm offended by all the Brit accents. Being canuck-born I'm sick and tired of these great games shoving british accents down my throat. Miranda makes me cringe... and don't even get me started on Tali! While BW is considering gay, bi, lez, hetero, mono, omni, etc. etc. they should definitely consider schmoozing us Canucks too. I mean, if BW is able to cover the midget minorities with volus teddy bears, then at least they could add some touques to the armory. C'mon BW. Don't make me threaten a Canuck boycott 'cause one phone call to Canadian Tire and you'll be turfed out of Edmonchuck quicker than you can say "Eh???"