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[Satanicfirewraith]

_KTA_ wrote...

??? Dude ME1's inventory was a mess, it's simpler now and streamlined but if you think this is Gears Effect 2 then you're either a horrible cynic or haven't played much of the game.

This is an awesome RPG through and through. Mods & upgrades have replaced the cluttered mess of an inventory that was ME1.

This works much better.

???
No its nonexsistant now. You have NO inventory... AT ALL!!!
Weapons are a loadout option, upgrades or nonexsistane (as they apply to all same class weapons) Armor is bought in peices and you cant sell ****! thats how I built up a good chunk of cash in ME 1 was collecting stuff and selling it.

Instead of removing the inventory they could have made it like other rpgs, where the same items stack on top of each other. (so you can sell stuff off.)

[Jonnerz]

Not this complaint again.

[Satanicfirewraith]

tommythetomcat wrote...

I problem is there is a thread with practically the same exact title the OP could have posted in, instead he just makes another thread. Thats called spam.

And its called trolling when your complaining about someones thread saying theres xx amout of threads like it without providing a link to one of said other threads.

[jpetrey123]

i really do not understand.......they streamlined the stat system so you see bigger improvements when you level up the skill instead of getting a 2% increase it just gives us a big increase, the inventory system in the last one was horid you really liked that, and be honest you probably used colossus armor, and spectre gear. every new gun you get in this game feels different unluck the first ME. i really wish people would just search for these threads.........theres so many....

[Bigeyez]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

I problem is there is a thread with practically the same exact title the OP could have posted in, instead he just makes another thread. Thats called spam.

And its called trolling when your complaining about someones thread saying theres xx amout of threads like it without providing a link to one of said other threads.

People have provided links to the other thread. The links on the first page. It's not trolling to call a duck a duck. This is a repeat thread and everyone should report the topic as such and move on.

[Darth_Shizz]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...


???
No its nonexsistant now. You have NO inventory... AT ALL!!!
Weapons are a loadout option, upgrades or nonexsistane (as they apply to all same class weapons) Armor is bought in peices and you cant sell ****! thats how I built up a good chunk of cash in ME 1 was collecting stuff and selling it.

Instead of removing the inventory they could have made it like other rpgs, where the same items stack on top of each other. (so you can sell stuff off.)

That is not the direction that is necessarily best for this   game. Some conventions of the RPG have been removed and replaced with systems that attempt to offer choice, but in a different way. Other conventions have remained. This is what happens to games that are considered hybrids.

I wonder which thread comes next though...."Mass of War: Fights for the Cogs - Why doesn't Shepard have a neck anymore?"

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 30 janvier 2010 - 04:03 .

[tommythetomcat]

Bigeyez wrote...

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

I problem is there is a thread with practically the same exact title the OP could have posted in, instead he just makes another thread. Thats called spam.

And its called trolling when your complaining about someones thread saying theres xx amout of threads like it without providing a link to one of said other threads.

People have provided links to the other thread. The links on the first page. It's not trolling to call a duck a duck. This is a repeat thread and everyone should report the topic as such and move on.

On top of that it's not my job to search the forums for someone else.  If they make a topic they should at least check the last few pages to see if something similar exists or is so old its ok to rehash.  

The last post wasn't even 3 hours ago  http://social.biowar...index/791845/14

[ShadowXOR]

I searched the first page and that was plenty for me. If you don't like it stop bumping it. I'm starting to think these are the Troll Effect boards, Jesus people grow up.

[Orogenic]

tommythetomcat wrote...



Even the title is the same as the last one.

Hmmm... I wonder if the fact that someone posts the same thing every day MIGHT INDICATE THAT THIS IS A COMMON CONCERN....

(and you whiners attacking him please remember there is no search function here)

OP.. you have completely legitimate questions... just ignore the rabid idiots.

By the way, don't try to reason with them.. they are immune to logic.

[sinosleep]

These are the troll effect boards now. But what can you expect, this happens to EVERY board upon release.

p.s. No, it doesn't indicate squat other than the fact that people generally come to forums to complain. It's the same reason why you can go to any rap message board and everyone hates Jay Z while going on about some clown that's been stuck underground or the last decade. It's why you can go to any comic book forum and see that New Avengers is the most hated comic even though it's been consistantly the best seller while getting great reviews over the last 5 years. Forums quite often run counter to reality. Not surprising when you consider the fact that if you browse through these forums you'll see it's the same group of 30-40 postsers posting EVERYTHING. That should tell you just how minuscule a minority of people actually playing the game post here.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 janvier 2010 - 04:22 .

[chaosaxess]

Mako - gone

Crappy inventory - gone

menu mess - gone



nope I don't see a problem here.

[tommythetomcat]

Orogenic wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...


Even the title is the same as the last one.

Hmmm... I wonder if the fact that someone posts the same thing every day MIGHT INDICATE THAT THIS IS A COMMON CONCERN....

(and you whiners attacking him please remember there is no search function here)

OP.. you have completely legitimate questions... just ignore the rabid idiots.

By the way, don't try to reason with them.. they are immune to logic.

You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.

[ShadowXOR]

chaosaxess wrote...

Mako - gone
Crappy inventory - gone
menu mess - gone

nope I don't see a problem here.

I thought all of them were fun but flawed, would have liked to see them improved not stripped.

[Satanicfirewraith]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Bigeyez wrote...

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

I problem is there is a thread with practically the same exact title the OP could have posted in, instead he just makes another thread. Thats called spam.

And its called trolling when your complaining about someones thread saying theres xx amout of threads like it without providing a link to one of said other threads.

People have provided links to the other thread. The links on the first page. It's not trolling to call a duck a duck. This is a repeat thread and everyone should report the topic as such and move on.

On top of that it's not my job to search the forums for someone else.  If they make a topic they should at least check the last few pages to see if something similar exists or is so old its ok to rehash.  

The last post wasn't even 3 hours ago  http://social.biowar...index/791845/14

Yet you took it apon yourself to troll the thread to start out with instead of just reporting it to a mod.

[ShadowXOR]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...


Even the title is the same as the last one.

Hmmm... I wonder if the fact that someone posts the same thing every day MIGHT INDICATE THAT THIS IS A COMMON CONCERN....

(and you whiners attacking him please remember there is no search function here)

OP.. you have completely legitimate questions... just ignore the rabid idiots.

By the way, don't try to reason with them.. they are immune to logic.

You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.

You mean because it lacks the majority of gameplay features ME1 had?  Of course, why would we think ME2 would be like ME1.  How silly of us.

[chaosaxess]

Seriously if you want to experience the first game again, then replay it. It's much more satisfying when a sequel is change dramatically and still a great game. Too many sequels fall short because they're just a clone of the first game. That's why I expect something totally different from ME3, also.

[Orogenic]

chaosaxess wrote...

Mako - gone
Crappy inventory - gone
menu mess - gone

nope I don't see a problem here.

As this post demonstrates, the new breed of ME 2 fan is incapable of understanding anyone with priorities and opinions that differ from their own.

Such people are labeled "whiners, " "haters, " "trolls," or simply "idiots" (which is of course the most ironic).

[sinosleep]

[quote]ShadowXOR wrote...
You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.[/quote]

You mean because it lacks the majority of gameplay features ME1 had?  Of course, why would we think ME2 would be like ME1.  How silly of us.

[/quote]

Space setting check, costumizable crew check, space exploration check, gunplay check, stat based everything other than aiming/hacking/decrypting check, dialogue wheel check, paragon.renegade choices check, mineral gathering/management check, etc, etc, etc. Oh my, you are absolutely right. ME 2 is nothing like ME 1, oh wait.

[aRTinks]

Is it trolling to post a similar thread or to continually whine about someone making a similar thread and derailing the topic?

I agree with the thread creator. Sure this game is a shooter and rpg, but I believe Bioware swayed way too far towards a shooter with this one.
I'm not sure if they simply ran out of time or didn't feel like creating the amount of weapons and armor they had in 1. Or maybe they didn't want to create superb animations for as many skills/abilities they had in 1 as well. Not sure.

One of the best things about 1 was going through the wide array of choices in your skill tree and getting new armor constantly for you and your teammates. It was really cool to go through so many appearances. I'd rather my appearance change drastically than to simply upgrade it on my ship in some disconnected fashion.
It was great watching people like Garrus or Wrex look different for a mission. There were soooo many weapons to choose from and find too. All those mods as well that changed how your guns performed or how your armor functioned.

I feel like Bioware improved the core game yes, but I just pray that for 3 they bring back the huge amount of choices for guns and armor. I hope this wasn't just to gain wider appeal and doesn't continue to go toward for 3. Right now I'm just watching a story and I have no control on my characters actual growth or appearance.

Modifié par aRTinks, 30 janvier 2010 - 04:27 .

[hawat333]

"Half the skills were stripped, squadmates don't get armor, there are no weapon/armor mods, no inventory, leveling is extremely basic, biotic skills have almost no cooldown so you can just spam them and they all share a cooldown."



So in your books that's roleplaying. Playing a role means spending points and giving armor to squadmates.

Aha.

[Bendok]

Sorry I'm just gonna pick apart your first paragraph here...





"Half the skills were stripped"



You mean the ones that nobody used or had such a long cooldown that barely ever got used? I prefer it now when I have 3 frequently used skills that are all assigned to RB/LB/Y and I barely have to open the power wheel.



"squadmates don't get armor"



No, but they share in most of the available research upgrades, plus they can use the same weapons as you if you wish. I have been able to vastly improve myself and my squad through research upgrades. Much moreso than in ME1 where you'd add all these talent points that would only increase the effectiveness of something by like 0.5% per point. Now it's large 10-25% upgrades every time you do research. Noticable and satisfying.



"no weapon/armor mods"



The new weapon mod system is infinitely better. Not only are the ammo effects more noticable but they can be switched on the fly or even shared between your whole squad. This is so much better than going through your inventory over and over and turning in 6 billion mod pickups, all of which had 10 ranks, into omni-gel.



"no inventory"



You mean I don't have to turn 5000 things per playthrough into omni-gel? Awesome. In my later ME1 playthroughs I didn't loot ANYTHING once I got the spectre weapons and collosus armor because it was so painful to omni-gel stuff.



"leveling is extremely basic"



Leveling is the same except you only get XP from missions and not kills.



"Biotic skills have no cooldown"



This is one of my favorite additions to the game. This is what made being an adept so poor in ME1... you'd blow all your abilities than have to use your substandard shooting skills for the next minute or so while you waited for cooldowns. NOT FUN. Now biotic powers are extremely fun.





Sometimes I think people just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

[ShadowXOR]

[quote]sinosleep wrote...

[quote]ShadowXOR wrote...
You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.[/quote]

You mean because it lacks the majority of gameplay features ME1 had?  Of course, why would we think ME2 would be like ME1.  How silly of us.

[/quote]

Space setting check, costumizable crew check, space exploration check, gunplay check, stat based everything other than aiming/hacking/decrypting check, dialogue wheel check, paragon.renegade choices check, mineral gathering/management check, etc, etc, etc. Oh my, you are absolutely right. ME 2 is nothing like ME 1, oh wait.

[/quote]

Some features are more important than others and some of those you mentioned have nothing to do with gameplay.  If you feel differently fine, but you're grasping for straws.

[chaosaxess]

Orogenic wrote...

chaosaxess wrote...

Mako - gone
Crappy inventory - gone
menu mess - gone

nope I don't see a problem here.

As this post demonstrates, the new breed of ME 2 fan is incapable of understanding anyone with priorities and opinions that differ from their own.

Such people are labeled "whiners, " "haters, " "trolls," or simply "idiots" (which is of course the most ironic).

Just because I prefer things from the second game which were obviously tedious and annoying, doesn't mean I didn't play or throughly enjoy the first game.

[jpetrey123]

ok well you "RPG purist" stat cruching inventory loving people. they are not going to change the inventory system as it is right now. so complaining is going to nothing, except for irritate the people that like the game. the amount of good reviews this game has gotten they are not going to make any huge changes to it. i believe its meta-critic score is 96? and that a average of a whole bunch of different scores, so clearly people like it. THIS GAME IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SPEND HOURS STAT CRUNCHING. it is a very good action rpg.