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[Orogenic]

tommythetomcat wrote...


You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.

Who cares about definitions? RPG, MPG, BMX, LSD, whatever...

ME 2 just does not deliver a comparable experience to the first game and a COMPARABLE (not IDENTICAL) experience is a reasonable expectation in a sequel.  You guys are funny and sad at the same time....

[sinosleep]

ShadowXOR wrote...

Some features are more important than others and some of those you mentioned have nothing to do with gameplay.  If you feel differently fine, but you're grasping for straws.

The only ones grasping at straws are you and people that have been posting these kinds of ridiculous threads since release. Most everything good from ME 1 made it's way into ME 2, most everything gimped from ME 1 didn't. Deal with it. Considering the game is sitting at 90+ on metacritic you are quite clearly in the minority.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 janvier 2010 - 04:30 .

[Orogenic]

jpetrey123 wrote...

ok well you "RPG purist" stat cruching inventory loving people. they are not going to change the inventory system as it is right now. so complaining is going to nothing, except for irritate the people that like the game. the amount of good reviews this game has gotten they are not going to make any huge changes to it. i believe its meta-critic score is 96? and that a average of a whole bunch of different scores, so clearly people like it. THIS GAME IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SPEND HOURS STAT CRUNCHING. it is a very good action rpg.

Clueless, intentionally obtuse, or can't read English.... having a hard time figuring out which it is....

[Keester1]

ShadowXOR wrote...

Half the skills were stripped, squadmates don't get armor, there are no weapon/armor mods, no inventory, leveling is extremely basic, biotic skills have almost no cooldown so you can just spam them and they all share a cooldown.

What did they do to Mass Effect?  I'm really disappointed right now.  I hope I warm up to the changes but I don't really feel like the combat is improved and I keep getting stuck to cover when I don't want to be, which never happened in ME1.

Scanning planets is amazingly boring and repetitive after just two.

Please take ME3 back into the direction of ME1 and actually fix the issues with the first game, not just dump those features altogether.

I have to agree with most of what you said and the title you gave the thread is dead on:

The Gears of War combat system is good & enjoyable
The Story Line is good & enjoyable
The mini-games are good & enjoyable
BUT

ME1 feels like you're in control and driving the Story, ME2 feels like the Story is driving you out of control

Customizing and small details in an RPG is what makes everything flourish and come alive, makes you feel like your involved

[7hemy7h]

I loved the game, but I do feel they dumbed things down a bit too much. I didn't expect this to be completely an RPG like Dragon Age, but I felt they went too far simplifying everything. I hope ME3 is more of a combination of both ME and ME2.

[Orogenic]

chaosaxess wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

chaosaxess wrote...

Mako - gone
Crappy inventory - gone
menu mess - gone

nope I don't see a problem here.

As this post demonstrates, the new breed of ME 2 fan is incapable of understanding anyone with priorities and opinions that differ from their own.

Such people are labeled "whiners, " "haters, " "trolls," or simply "idiots" (which is of course the most ironic).

Just because I prefer things from the second game which were obviously tedious and annoying, doesn't mean I didn't play or throughly enjoy the first game.

I don't care what you prefer honestly.. I just want you and your compatriots to stop attacking everyone that doesn't agree with you.  Is it some generational illness?

[tommythetomcat]

Orogenic wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...


You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.

Who cares about definitions? RPG, MPG, BMX, LSD, whatever...

ME 2 just does not deliver a comparable experience to the first game and a COMPARABLE (not IDENTICAL) experience is a reasonable expectation in a sequel.  You guys are funny and sad at the same time....

I like how you cap off your posts with veiled insults, likely because you arguing from a defensive position... Because you know what I say is true, I have concerns about the game like everyone else and in threads that are not rant/whine heavy I'll agree or disagree depending on how i feel.

You try to invalidate peoples opinions by belittling them.

[ShadowXOR]

jpetrey123 wrote...

ok well you "RPG purist" stat cruching inventory loving people. they are not going to change the inventory system as it is right now. so complaining is going to nothing, except for irritate the people that like the game. the amount of good reviews this game has gotten they are not going to make any huge changes to it. i believe its meta-critic score is 96? and that a average of a whole bunch of different scores, so clearly people like it. THIS GAME IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SPEND HOURS STAT CRUNCHING. it is a very good action rpg.

The first was a good action RPG as well without tons of stat crunching but it at least had some.  And tons of reviews, even though they loved the game, complained about the missing RPG features as well.

And if we don't say it now they can't fix it in ME3.  Your post is just so chalk-full of stupidity it's mind-blowing.

[ShadowXOR]

sinosleep wrote...

ShadowXOR wrote...

Some features are more important than others and some of those you mentioned have nothing to do with gameplay.  If you feel differently fine, but you're grasping for straws.

The only ones grasping at straws are you and people that have been posting these kinds of ridiculous threads since release. Most everything good from ME 1 made it's way into ME 2, most everything gimped from ME 1 didn't. Deal with it. Considering the game is sitting at 90+ on metacritic you are quite clearly in the minority.

These threads wouldn't be posted if there wasn't a problem.  Their basically taking a huge dump on fans of the first game.

And no, I'm not in the minority.  Just because these features are missing doesn't mean it isn't a 90+ game but it could be better.  Tons of reviews giving it 9.0+ mentioned these lack of features was lame as well.  You people are so dense.

[sinosleep]

ShadowXOR wrote...


The first was a good action RPG as well without tons of stat crunching but it at least had some.  And tons of reviews, even though they loved the game, complained about the missing RPG features as well.

And if we don't say it now they can't fix it in ME3.  Your post is just so chalk-full of stupidity it's mind-blowing.

Post them, cause practically every last one I read mentioned point by point how ME 2 was a better game than ME 1.

[For Humanity]

Mezinger wrote...

TheConfidenceMan wrote...

ShadowXOR wrote...

TheConfidenceMan wrote...

It's the Invisible War effect - design choices are driven by some overarching concept and implemented without regard to the impact they have.

Oh god I really hope I warm up to ME2 and it's not that bad.  Deus Ex is a classic and Invisible War was garbage.

You can actually hear it in the game; the game seller on the Citadel laments over the good old days of RPGs saying something along the lines of "Now it's all about big choices".

Effectively that's what Bioware has done, they've focused the big choices (who lives or dies, etc..) without considering how the removal of all the small choices (like most of the stats, weapon mods, armors, etc...) affects the whole.

This is Bioware's Invisible War.

Bang on! Please Bioware someone come on here and say;

"we're sorry a such a large contingent of our fans are disappointed with ME2, we did it for x, y, z reasons it's hard to make everyone happy... yadda yadda we'll think long and hard before starting on ME3 what kind of game we want it to be... thanks for your continued support of Bioware" 

You'll probably want to make it a sticky so that people coming on to the boards know that the disappointment has been expressed and heard and this will let everyone move on. 

ME2 is a fine game for what it is... but it's not a proper sequel to ME1... too much has changed the RPG elements have been hacked away (no a story doesn't an RPG make) really disappointing for some of us.

The problem is that the further into the shooter territory you go the less the game can be compareed to rpgs and the more it must be compared to shooters. So is Mass effect 2 a more deep and varied squad based shooter than Gears of war? Nope. Every fight plays out the same and every planet is just a reskin. Gears of war constantly innovaated new challenges every chapter. From the berserker chases in Gears one to the mountain lab lasers in Gears 2. The only innovative feature Mass effect 2 has going for it is the one planet where the sun hurts you but Gears of war already did that better with the krill killing you if you wander into the darkness.

So sorry but if  Mass effect wants to be a shooter then it is a poor one.

[sinosleep]

ShadowXOR wrote...
These threads wouldn't be posted if there wasn't a problem.  Their basically taking a huge dump on fans of the first game.

And no, I'm not in the minority.  Just because these features are missing doesn't mean it isn't a 90+ game but it could be better.  Tons of reviews giving it 9.0+ mentioned these lack of features was lame as well.  You people are so dense.

The number of threads means dick. Like I said, the number of people posting here are hardly representative and in fact more than likely CONTRARY to the majority.

And like I also said,

POST THE LINKS. Cause I can damned well guarantee you for every review you mention that harkens back for anything from ME 1 I can post 10 that say it's better in every way.

[MasterD_Evil]

Here's something novel: I like this game better than Mass Effect 1. In fact, I'll have trouble going back to the sluggishness of ME1.



I do feel sorry for those who are disappointed, but I vaguely recall similar outrage when ME1 was released and how it wasn't "Baldur's Gate in Space".

[aksoileau]

Anyone else feel a strong sense of deja vu?

[Orogenic]

tommythetomcat wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...


You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.

Who cares about definitions? RPG, MPG, BMX, LSD, whatever...

ME 2 just does not deliver a comparable experience to the first game and a COMPARABLE (not IDENTICAL) experience is a reasonable expectation in a sequel.  You guys are funny and sad at the same time....

I like how you cap off your posts with veiled insults, likely because you arguing from a defensive position... Because you know what I say is true, I have concerns about the game like everyone else and in threads that are not rant/whine heavy I'll agree or disagree depending on how i feel.

You try to invalidate peoples opinions by belittling them.

You are accusing me of making an "ad hominem" argument where I
would attack the person instead of the factual basis of the argument. 
Actually I have provided you ample specific logical counterpoints to
everything you have said, and you apparently can not comprehend these
simple statements. 

So what I am doing now is commenting on
the fact that you continue to attack without even understanding the
substance of the discussion (much like a rabid dog).  As I said, it is
sad and (although I feel bad for saying so) a little bit funny too.

[jpetrey123]

MasterD_Evil wrote...

Here's something novel: I like this game better than Mass Effect 1. In fact, I'll have trouble going back to the sluggishness of ME1.

I do feel sorry for those who are disappointed, but I vaguely recall similar outrage when ME1 was released and how it wasn't "Baldur's Gate in Space".

people are just butthurt because they upgraded the combat so perceptually it seems so much better, but the stats, picking weapons, customizing armor it is all there. not in a screen called "inventory", and less skills, but more points per upgrade to see a bigger difference. people like this will go away soon hopefully. they are kind of ruining the board right now. all the threads are either threads complaining about the game, or threads complaining about the complainers. personally id rather have the second, that way i do not have to deal with the rude "RPG purists" that claim their machority level is higher then everyones, and any game that does not follw the class inventory, stat crunching thing is not longer an RPG.

[jpetrey123]

Orogenic wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...


You've basically described yourself good job. I listen to reason and legitimate concerns. I don't listen to whining that the game isn't RPG enough because it lacks inventory, loot, or some other trivial thing that people think defines an RPG experience.

Who cares about definitions? RPG, MPG, BMX, LSD, whatever...

ME 2 just does not deliver a comparable experience to the first game and a COMPARABLE (not IDENTICAL) experience is a reasonable expectation in a sequel.  You guys are funny and sad at the same time....

I like how you cap off your posts with veiled insults, likely because you arguing from a defensive position... Because you know what I say is true, I have concerns about the game like everyone else and in threads that are not rant/whine heavy I'll agree or disagree depending on how i feel.

You try to invalidate peoples opinions by belittling them.

You are accusing me of making an "ad hominem" argument where I
would attack the person instead of the factual basis of the argument. 
Actually I have provided you ample specific logical counterpoints to
everything you have said, and you apparently can not comprehend these
simple statements. 

So what I am doing now is commenting on
the fact that you continue to attack without even understanding the
substance of the discussion (much like a rabid dog).  As I said, it is
sad and (although I feel bad for saying so) a little bit funny too.

i feel sad for you too because while i am enjoying this great game you sir are to stuck up to see how good of a game it is.

[Orogenic]

What I want to know is whether this argument is in any way indicative of the way kids think today?



If it is the school system is in a hell of a lot worse shape than I thought. Basic logic and reading comprehension are gone I guess?

[Orogenic]

I'm enjoying the game for what it is while SIMULTANEOUSLY expressing reservations about some of the choices made in the development of the game as a sequel.



It's all very confusing, I know....

[Rendar666]

Everyone talks about how important combat is in RPGs, you'd think the only thing you cared about is combat. If you're playing an RPG the combat shouldn't be the most important part. I find it hilarious how almost all the whiners bring up how the combat isn't controlled by stats. G.T.F.O.

[ODST 3]

ME2 is a huge improvement. No more pointless micromanaging. Focus on the STORY!

[Orogenic]

ODST 3 wrote...

ME2 is a huge improvement. No more pointless micromanaging. Focus on the STORY!

This would actually be great if ME 2 actually HAD a story... that is the heart of most of the complaints I've seen here...

[Mangrapes]

they made smart consolidation moves when it came to the shooter and rpg distinctions. Plus they only have so many resources to draw from to make this game. Contrary to what appears to be alot of people's perception they can't simply "mix this awesome game with that awesome game and stir in some awesome sauce to make an ubar awesomer game!!111ONe". In my opinion they focused on developing what was significant to that which makes Mass Effect enjoyable.

[sinosleep]

Orogenic wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

ME2 is a huge improvement. No more pointless micromanaging. Focus on the STORY!

This would actually be great if ME 2 actually HAD a story... that is the heart of most of the complaints I've seen here...

That's rich. As if ME 1 had the most engrossing narrative ever commited to a video game. Also, that's a flat out falsity in regards to what most of the complaints are. If you can read the first page, then you can clearly see most of the complaints center around the statless shooting and the ammo mechanic. Neither of which have anything to do with story.

Hell, here's the 2nd post from the OP in this thread.

ShadowXOR wrote...

Some
of us were looking forward to a sequel to ME1 gameplay-wise and
storyline.  What I got was Gears of War with the ME storyline.  Sure
the story is great but all the gameplay I loved is gone.

Yeah, clearly story is the issue here.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:06 .

[Mangrapes]

Orogenic wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

ME2 is a huge improvement. No more pointless micromanaging. Focus on the STORY!

This would actually be great if ME 2 actually HAD a story... that is the heart of most of the complaints I've seen here...

It has a story - infact in alot of ways it has more story than mass effect 1. The problem with all you mooks is whenever there is a sequel everyone is disappointed that they aren't blown away as much as they were with the first one. Its one giant continuation of the story. Not an entirely different story. Ofcourse you wont be wowed as much. Alot has been revealed to you in the first one - so naturally the sequel developed the ideas you know further. It wasn't as impacting as the first, yes. But it certainly is enjoyable.