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[daguest]

It's not the worst game ever.

It's one of the best action game i played. And also the worst rpg bioware never made.

But it's an awesome game anyway.

[W00DBar0n]

I would have to say that it is a good game but i could see how some people wouldn't like it what so ever.

I like all the changes in mass effect 2. They made it have an intense story line, and made it tougher. A lot more tactical, you gotta think when you play.

[Matt125]

Sorry but I just can't accept the statement that ME2 is the worst Bioware game ever. ME2 has choices and consequences, interactive dialogue and meaningful character development, both in the skills you gain and the relationships you forge. With just those three on the table, it beats the first Baldur's Gate and NWN hands down.

Modifié par Matthias Silverblade, 01 février 2010 - 05:34 .

[_KTA_]

Behindyounow wrote...

You are currently at 150 out of 150 items. Please convert some items into omni-gel.

...Yeah. No thanks.

x10

I don't see why people don't like that this is gone... it drove me nuts.  Good job Bioware on ME2.

[mepilot]

Is that the writer that came up with "All your base are belong to us"....?

[eldon_tyrell]

Erakleitos wrote...

Don't worry ME3 main features will be:

a) A big massive inventory with tons of options. And inventory based minigames (like find the barcode, move a box from y to x in 10 seconds and such)..

A unique chance to have sex with any living being, including trees.

c) 200 different kinds of shotguns, in pretty colors.

d) A click-to-kill combat system. You just have to click an enemy and he dies.

e) A Doom + Starcraft + Gears of War + Hellokitty Online + Dialogue structure

^ ha! THIS. you should post this exact reply on every "i'm disappointed, call a whhaaambulence" thread. personally, while i don't agree with every change they've made (helmets on armor, too short? etc.), i think this is a great game. 

[Jeremy Shepherd]

Meh... The Gears of War comparisons are unfair at best. In any military situation, you move to cover and take your shots. You don't run blindly into gun fire, whether you have shields or not. So the addition of a rebuilt and better cover system completely makes sense.



Another thing about Gears is that it's a shallow playing experience and lacked any substance. If you like idiotic dialogue and playing as the ultimate damp dream of most teenage boys, go for it. Mass Effect 2 is not this in anyway. So quit making the ridiculous comparisons.



I am alittle disappointed with some things. The love interests seem a bit under developed, but was still entertaining. A couple more weapon choices would have been nice, but either way, i'm in love with the Vindicator assault rifle.



However, the character development was brillant. Some say they gave away secrets too quickly and easily? You're on a suicide mission and need/want to trust of the people you're working with. Psychological reasoning.



I think this is a great game and does some things better than ME 1 but also does some things worse. Great, regardless. The fact that Bioware took the time to listen to US, should make you people happy, alone. Hell, there isn't pleasing everyone, but they sure tried. Kudos to these awesome people who tried.



Just enjoy the damn game, cause they did a great job. And they did it for YOU!

[vhatever]

It could easily be the worst bioware game ever-- or the best ever.



That's just how bioware rolls.

[Bl0dbathNBeyond]

You sound like someone raised on Diablo and MMORPG's thinking RPGs have to be giant grind/lootfests. Personally, I love HOW ME2 has evolved away from a pen-and-paper RPG and has made things like stats and equipment even more transparent.



I still play tabletop RPGs; they have their place and are fun. But even when I play them they're not exactly about loot and level grinding.



In short, this is an action RPG. A damn good one.

[Celorilm]

Even though I am also quite disappointed in ME2, especially when compared to ME1, I do not agree to find the story particularly weak.

I would like to know where Twitchmonkey has found more content in ME2 than in ME1 ??

For me the main problems are:
- too much linearity in the main story and in the field missions,
- some drawbacks in the game interface (missing shortcuts, radar map now useless, ...).

Though I fear I will disagree, or at least these will not really matter to me, I also would be very interested in knowing what some people consider as clear improvements,

Modifié par Celorilm, 01 février 2010 - 05:53 .

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

People are just repeating same opinions they saw in other threads.

"WOW! So many players are bashing the game. Let's do the same without trying it myself!"

[infalible]

 Hi, My name is Mass Effect 2 fanboy #134572 and I am just dropping by to say that I can't and won't accept that other people have opinions that differ from mine. I won't entertain the idea that there may well be an equal number of people in this World who think that Mass Effect 2 isn't a good game. I won't give any credit to the notion that Mass Effect 2 may well be the worst RPG Bioware have ever made. And I certainly won't accept that there are more elements than a multiple choice story to any good RPG.

That is all.

Modifié par infalible, 01 février 2010 - 05:56 .

[AtreiyaN7]

The writing was excellent, the story was great, and the characters were deep. I appreciated having abilities unique to my class and that were different from the others. If you're a troll, then ignore this. If not, then you're just stuck in the past if you're making such ridiculous claims. Tali's loyalty mission alone proves you're wrong. I'm leaning towards the OP being a troll, in which case we should all stop feeding it.

[Nial Black-Knee]

Abriael_CG wrote...

The game has been dumbed down quite a little to appease the shooter crowd. Pity, but it's not like the trend didn't already exist in Mass Effect 1.
While Mass Effect 1 was a shooter with some RPG elements that mostly seemed quite out of place, Mass effect 2 is a shooter period.
Personally, the RPG elements that seemed out of place were better, since at least they gave a lil of depth to the game.

It's a pity, and hopefully Bioware learned from the sizeable number of complaints, that their crowd isn't a shooter crowd, but at least the game retains a pretty good story.

I agree, but they didn't learn, and they wont, because they will sell a ton of games.
While I have been enjoying the story pretty much, it is most deff, a shooter centric game. Though I feel more and more that to say anything negative on these boards is tantamount to ciber suicide. So I just read the mean, nasty comments spewing forth from the new fan base and shake my head. No room for intelligent debate here anymore.

[Marlina]

People need to stop thinking games to be a certain way just because of the publisher's past titles.

"Oh, it's a Bioware title, that MUST means it's a standard-fare D&D adventure!"

[DutRankEC]

I'm gonna jump in and say to anyone who says this is like Gears of War, "Obvious, troll is obvious"

[Tirigon]

infalible wrote...

 Hi, My name is Mass Effect 2 fanboy #134572 and I am just dropping by to say that I can't and won't accept that other people have opinions that differ from mine. I won't entertain the idea that there may well be an equal number of people in this World who think that Mass Effect 2 isn't a good game. I won't give any credit to the notion that Mass Effect 2 may well be the worst RPG Bioware have ever made. And I certainly won't accept that there are more elements than a multiple choice story to any good RPG.

That is all.

Nice.

[Morran Shiin]

Are people serious? Do you all have any idea where these changes came from? Answer: The fan-base. The biggest complaints about "Mass Effect" were, as far as I was able to see, that: 1. The combat system sucked and needed an overhaul; and 2. The RPG elements of the game (including the inventory system) were too complex and hindered many people's enjoyment of the game.

So, what did Bioware do? Listen to the fans, or ignore them? You can obviously tell what they did, for better or for worse.

And, heck, do you know what I think will happen for "Mass Effect 3"? Whoa...they might just listen to the fans again! Lesson to be learned: Be careful what you wish for - or whine about - or the changes might actually come.

Modifié par Morran Shiin, 01 février 2010 - 06:19 .

[SSGv2]

Sir, all i will say is ¬_¬

[Niorcs]

I liked it. But then, I'm also not HARDKORE RPG FAN. I like Dead Space, the RE series, various shooters, and general BioWare games.

[DarthCaine]

Cool story bro

[KenRed]

I just wish I could scroll menus with my mouse wheel and double click on things. Oh and why can't we use "J" for journal, "O" for Codex and "U" for squad?!

[TSamee]

Tirigon wrote...
Nice.

Yes, Tirigon, very nice. Meh, "worst Bioware game ever"? Nah. Certainly the most divisive, though. We've got a more mainstream audience that loves it (no offense to hardcore RPG fans, it's just that ME2 is more appealing to mainstream gamers), "RPG fans" who hate it (any game with no stats can't be and RPG, obviously), and a whole load of people who think it's way better than ME1 in some aspects, and worse in others.

Personally, I love the combat, story and characters, and don't like resources, the lack of an inventory and the mission design. Thermal clips are all good with me too; call me a shooter n00b, but it makes fights pacier (or it does for me, at least). For the inventory, I'd personally be really shocked if Bioware didn't find some form of middle ground for ME3, considering the number of people proposing it. ME1's was a bit clunky, ME2's was nonexistant.

My 2 cents on the inventory and resource managing: To get rid of mounds of waste items without converting to *shudder* omni-gel, it makes sense to me that useless items should break down into something useful. In ME1, there weren't many useful things to create. In ME2, the upgrade system relies on resources. People don't seem to like planet scanning, and need more ways to obtain said resources. Anybody seeing a connection here? Instead of trashing 19 useless pistols found on a mission, why not use them to upgrade the one decent pistol you found on it? Like, pistols and SMGs could convert to Iridium, shotguns and snipers to Platinum, amps and tools to Element Zero, and Assault Rifles to Palladium. Armour could break down differently dependng on its stats. So if a piece of armour has high biotic protection, you might get more element zero out if it.

The inventory could have an optional grid view, and stackable items. Trash items could still take up inventory space, but they'd be grouped so you can sell them all off in one go.

Sadly, mission design is prettymuch "come, do a 2-minute side-quest, shoot something, recruit squad member, leave". It's the only really big flaw in the game for me, particularly with the side-quests. The loyalty missions are truly great, but having a side-quest in a city that takes more than five minutes would be pretty cool too. Maybe some missions that could rely on a lot of dialogue, and multiple outcomes? Intelligence rather than firepower or a simple charm/intimidate win/win option? Maybe even situations where Charm/Intimidate screws a situation up further?

Just my thoughts. I'm not going to flame the OP. It's a very divisive game, and it's hard not to play without loving or hating it. We've all got our own opinions, and respecting each others' matters most in a situation like this.

Modifié par TSamee, 01 février 2010 - 06:52 .

[DutRankEC]

Soo Bioware actually said this was an RPG? I mean technically any game could be considered a "Role playing" Game. And does it matter if it is the worst RPG? It's one of the best GAMES period, both in gameplay and visuals. I think this game is unmatched in visuals on the Xbox.

[_KTA_]

This is the worst best game ever. There, I said it... Seriously though I love this game, keep rocking bioware.