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[jimmyjoefro]

I don't know how I'll be able to choose between Tali and Liara now.

[StolenThunder]

ratzerman wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Just played back through it and I agree that dialogue choice is essential. It explains why she's been so cold, it lets you know that she still cares about you, and as silly as it may sound it made me feel better. When I turned off the game last night I was in a foul mood because of how impersonal my encounter with Liara had been; but now I feel better because in that dialogue you get to see that the Liara you knew in ME1 is still alive (even if she is kind of pissed off).

The first time I played through without that dialogue it felt like you had already lost her.

It's not silly at all.... I felt the same way, as did most of her fans, I would imagine.

Yeah, I was originally pretty disappointed with the whole thing (and actually ready to turn off my game and go hold myself and shove bon bons down my throat until I discovered it with the help of the good folks in the Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara Fans Unite Group.

[implodinggoat]

jlb524 wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Only 3 and a half for me; but I did the same.  Liara may be out of the cards in this game; but I'll be damned if I'll lose her in ME3 because I didn't ask the right question.

I don't think you'll lose her in ME3 b/c you didn't ask the question.   I don't think the question is tied to a 'romance variable', but is just there for the character's own benefit.  I think the only way to possibly kill the Liara romance is to romance another in ME2.

Technically, the Shep I just finished the game with didn't ask her the question.  I just went back a save to see the dialog but didn't continue on with that save (I didn't want to lose 15 hrs of gameplay).  My Shepard still stared longingly at Liara's picture before embarking on the suicide mission, so it seems that the romance is still on for ME3.

I'm not even sure that romancing someone else would necessarily kill your romance with Liara.  I'd wager it would result in some major drama in ME3, either resulting in Liara leaving you for being unfaithful or forgiving you. For ME3, I'm going to have to have at least one save file where I'm a cheat and one where I stay loyal.  I haven't finished the game yet; but thus far I find a lot of the love interests intriguing; but if I had to choose none of them would beat out Liara.

I think the obscureness of that dialogue (for example its so obscure that I missed it simply because I tend to ask the top question first when I am investigating) will definitely get more people to cheat on Liara than normally would.   When I talked to Liara the first time and didn't get that dialogue, I figured that Liara clearly didn't love Shepard anymore, so I might as well go after Miranda.  After playing it with that dialogue, I remember why I liked Liara so much in ME1 and it makes me feel much better about the direction her character is heading for ME3, although that persona with the low voice she assumes does bother me a little.

P.S.:   Thanks to the OP for pointing this out.  M encounter with Liara really did put me in a bad mood (ummm, me, me as opposed to Shepard me.).  Now though,  I feel much better about Liara's direction and I wouldn't if I hadn't read this post.  Hell, I may have never seen that dialogue period.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:44 .

[ratzerman]

Alixen wrote...
I think a lot of people are missing just how bad Liara actually did at copying her mother.

"...I'll flay you alive. Um... with my mind."

She still hasn't got the whole threatening thing down yet. It was almost a Joss Wheadon style threat; slight pause and uneccisery qualifier included.

Thank you, Alixen!  This seems to have been lost on so many people....

Liara is still the awkward, sensitive Asari we knew back in the first game.  But she's trying to hide behind false fronts.  With Shepard, she tries to be all-business like, act like nothing is wrong, but she can't make it last.  Similarly, the "real" Liara probably isn't very skilled at intimidation.  So she imitates her mother instead.

[implodinggoat]

StolenThunder wrote...

Yeah, I was originally pretty disappointed with the whole thing (and actually ready to turn off my game and go hold myself and shove bon bons down my throat until I discovered it with the help of the good folks in the Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara Fans Unite Group.

Agreed, except for me it was a desire to turn off the game and chain smoke.   Ashley being a total **** on Horizon really didn't hurt me it just made me angry.  My first encounter with Liara really made me feel sad though not because she said anything; but because she didn't say anything.   

The funny thing is, at this point  I'm actually kind of glad that I got such a bleak impression from my first encounter with Liara (although it would have been really depressing if I'd never discovered the more uplifting dialogue). The contrast of these two experiences actually made me more fond and appreciative of Liara.

I really didn't realize just how fond of her character was until I thought that she didn't love Shepard anymore.  I guess its true, sometimes you don't know what you've got till its gone.

That said; Bioware should really patch the game so that this dialogue isn't so ridiculously obscure because I' m sure there are a lot of players out there who got hit by the same wave of depression I did when they thought Liara was lost.

If you're playing through quickly and not investigating I think it would be fine if you got that impression; but for someone such as myself who investigates everything and really sympathizes with Liara's character to so easily be left with such a sour taste in their mouth simply because they tend to pick the top investigate option first is a real pity.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:38 .

[wakalookee]

 I remember what people were saying about her. About how they were so disappointed in how she was behaving in the 2nd game. When I got there, I continued all the dialogue. It totally makes sense to me. She HAS been searching for you between the two years. 

[implodinggoat]

wakalookee wrote...

 I remember what people were saying about her. About how they were so disappointed in how she was behaving in the 2nd game. When I got there, I continued all the dialogue. It totally makes sense to me. She HAS been searching for you between the two years. 

Yeah; but did you romance her in ME1?  If not it makes sense; but if you did her lack of feeling is like an ice cold dagger to the heart.

I don't have a problem with her being less naive, thats a logical evolution of her character.  What I have a problem with is being left with a very strong impression that she doesn't care about Shepard anymore and that she now views him/her as little more than a tool to be exploited.

Honestly there needed to be some more dialogue that opened up if she was your love interest in ME1.  If she wasn't her seemingly opportunistic attitude towards Shepard is understandible.  But; if she was it feels like a total betrayal which (as the OP thankfully pointed out) is not actually the case.

[Treason1]

Huh..I had a fem Shepard romance Liara during my first playthrough of ME1, and so far, that's the one I'm currently playing through, in ME2.
When I got to Liara in ME2, I never got the feeling that she'd really turned cold on Shepard. There was the kiss at the start, which signaled that she DID have feelings, still, for the Commander. During the subsequent conversations and jobs for her, I always had the feeling that she was hiding something that was making her more than a little apprehensive and guilty, when facing Shepard. I didn't get the chance to explore that conversation path, but I never faulted her for her stance on staying where she was. Two years is a long time, and things can change. My Shepard showed her support and continued feelings for Liara, by just being there and helping out in anyway she could.
After watching the vid about the extra dialogue path, it cleared up a lot.  Liara has a new edge and thirst for vengeance, but she's still the same "sweet girl" she was in ME1.

Modifié par Treason1, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:13 .

[bjdbwea]

The whole thing is ridiculous. Even with that scene, it doesn't explain her behaviour at all. She did the right thing, even if she felt bad about it. But now she acts as if someone killed Shepard and she has to take revenge, even though everything turned out well and Shepard's right back. Makes no sense, and it feels as if BioWare were desperate for some "explanation" why a) Liara can't travel with Shepard anymore and they didn't write anything more regarding the romance. Disappointing, I hope the old companions do come back in ME 3.

[MassEffect762]

Anybody know what happened to Liaras big baby blue eyes?

They look like "flat" or grey now. <_<

[CastroKathy]

I think the thing that irks me about the whole Liara thing is when Fake News took Bioware to task over the Fem/Fem relationships their defense was “It’s all about the relationship”. Now in ME2 the whole relationship with Liara falls flat on it’s face. Now, I hope that this is just a plot point in the story and Liara plays a bigger role (and in character this time) in ME3, but come on, develop the plot point beyond a few lines of vague dialogue. She could still push Shepard away while honoring the character and storyline. One of the things I like about ME2 is they spend a lot more time developing characters and relationships, except Liara! Arghhh….
Some people have been asking: if you go back to Liara post suicide mission no, you don’t get anything new. By the way how awesome what that whole level!

[houdinimachine]

Oh great. Now I feel guilty for having my Shep cheat on her with Tali since I assumed she didn't care anymore.

[Frraksurred]

I had the same reaction. She no longer seemed like the same person. I lost respect for her and went after Tali as well. They should have made this explanation more prominent. I would have never known because the lower responses tend to be "renegade" which I avoid. Thanks for the link.

[DescendingPhoenix]

...godammit...

[speedy111280]

That scene makes me hope they'll give those Shepard's that romanced Ashley or Kaidan in ME 1 or anyone in ME 2 the option to dump them for Liara. Liara clearly loves Shepard whether you romanced her in ME 1 or not, and I'd love to be able to have this dialogue make Shepard rethink some things about their LI.



Liara is awesome. My Shepard's that romanced her are never going to cheat on her. I'd feel like such a douche if they did.

[Nanjah]

whoa, I totally missed this dialogue in the game. it is very good to know the true story behind it, thank you!

[Warrior61]

Now I feel terrible for thinking her new self was cold and didn't care anymore...

[jlb524]

We must also remember that Liara is worried someone is watching or listening in on her. She has to be careful what she says to Shepard. This goes for affection as well. If Liara's enemies found out just how much she cares about Shepard, they could go after the Commander. I think Liara was fearful of this at first. However, when Nexeris (sp?) is taken care of, Liara doesn't have to worry about immediate threats and can open up to Shepard a little.

[MerchantGOL]

now i feel bad for sheeting on her with Tali

[rfarmer7]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Anybody know what happened to Liaras big baby blue eyes?

They look like "flat" or grey now. <_<

I noticed that too. 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

speedy111280 wrote...

That scene makes me hope they'll give those Shepard's that romanced Ashley or Kaidan in ME 1 or anyone in ME 2 the option to dump them for Liara. Liara clearly loves Shepard whether you romanced her in ME 1 or not, and I'd love to be able to have this dialogue make Shepard rethink some things about their LI.

Liara is awesome. My Shepard's that romanced her are never going to cheat on her. I'd feel like such a douche if they did.

Liara might have started that way, but seeing Shepard dead seems to have destroyed every bit of her that Shepard could have known before his death.

[Seanylegit]

I feel bad that I missed it on my loyal play through. OCD... kicking in... I know it's not gonna effect anything in ME3 that I missed a dialogue option but that's what it feels like. lol



I clicked the other option first and I guess heart felt option disappears after that. Fudge.

[Driveninhifi]

I think they could have better shown she's just putting on a front, and she really is having a hard time with the whole thing. It's there, but I would rather it have been made more obvious.



I don't think there is anything going on between Liara and Feron. It doesn't make sense for her character. Falling in love with someone right after Shepard (who is basically portrayed the love of her life) dies? I don't buy it. Plus with the timeline he must be captured right around the time Liara recovers the body and they can't have known each other very long. It's likely that the "screwup" she mentions involves Feron getting captured because she messes up. And now she feels guilty. However, I don't think that guilt, plus her guilt about about turning the body over to cerberus is enough to explain 2 years of obsession own its own.

She likely didn't have a choice in fighting the shadow broker - he probably wants her dead (because of stealing the body) so she's been having to fight ever since. I also think she has to discover that the shadow broker is capable of horrible things. She needs to feel like she's the only one that can make it right, to avenge her friends and prevent it from happening to someone else. That makes total sense to me.

[jlb524]

rfarmer7 wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

Anybody know what happened to Liaras big baby blue eyes?

They look like "flat" or grey now. <_<

I noticed that too. 

It's the lighting.

If you look here they look purple.  It's the purple light refecting off of them.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

I called her obsessed and left without another word... Is that bad?