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[Lycid]

ratzerman wrote...

Lycid wrote...

Will Liara care in ME 3 if I sleep with Miranda?

Seriously, if Bioware codes something like she gets mad at you for sleeping with someone in ME2, they are truly evil.

Evil?  Or moral?  They've said that cheating in ME2 will have consequences in ME3.
So sleep around at your own risk.

LAME. SHE DOESN'T KNOW.

What about Kelly? Is she safe? I wanna keep Liara as an option for ME3.

[vietnamsquirrel]

....I love you too Liara

[rfarmer7]

I like the greater realism in morality. It really makes you think about what you're doing.

[guitarbard]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The DLC wouldn't have to involve taking out the Shadow Broker though. Something smaller like just rescuing Feron, and then Feron can give Liara and Shepard more information on the Shadow Broker to be used later. Taking out the Shadow Broker can be saved for ME3.

Then Shepard could invite Liara back to her quarters for a proper reunion.

and by proper I am taking to mean hot lovely 2-year drought make up sex. WONDERFUL!!! YES!!!!

SO with you on that one. WHY can't we do this in ME2 though? If I was in place of my FShepard I'd grab her and kiss her senseless and ask her to embrace eternity with me until we collapsed from exhaustion. I mean, REALLY! Why no continuing romance???

[bjdbwea]

The main problem here is that BioWare didn't give Shepard any chance at all to talk about this whole issue, which is first of all completely unrealistic, as well as not understandable and very disappointing. Even if the developers for whatever reason want the relationship to end, there should at least be the opportunity to talk about it and let Liara clearly state her reasons. But maybe we're reading too much into it, and it was just one of those cases of development time running out. Either way, that scene was easily the most disappointing part of the game.

[Amicabletoaster]

Good post. I had this conversation path when I played through and was kinda confused when I saw all these pissy posts here... I guess a lot of people missed it.

[mmmu]

Thanks for this. This was extremely important piece of dialogue, easily the most important of the whole Liara confrontation. And yes, I missed it, even I was so obsessed with Liara, but it just passed through me. I staid faithful nevertheless, but this put a smile on my face.



Thank you.

[screwoffreg]

I would be interested to see how Liara would find out about your romance. Will she confront you with secret intel about Tali/Miranda/Jack? Will she catch you in the act and tear you apart with her mind?

[implodinggoat]

bjdbwea wrote...

The main problem here is that BioWare didn't give Shepard any chance at all to talk about this whole issue, which is first of all completely unrealistic, as well as not understandable and very disappointing. Even if the developers for whatever reason want the relationship to end, there should at least be the opportunity to talk about it and let Liara clearly state her reasons. But maybe we're reading too much into it, and it was just one of those cases of development time running out. Either way, that scene was easily the most disappointing part of the game.

Agreed, it is like the elephant in the room and yet its just brushed aside.  I can understand why Shepard wouldn't make an issue out of her wanting to pursue her own objective; but why wouldn't he/she try to at least get some "quality time" with his lover?  At the very least Liara's reply would pretty definitively tell Shepard where the relationship stands.  Its simply bizarre that Shepard would completely ignore his/her relationship with Liara

I haven't finished the whole campaign yet; but to me the encounter with Liara is the most poorly executed part of the narrative I've encountered.  Why is an important character who's both the protagonist of the new comic book and who may (hopefully) even return to Shepard's team in ME3, treated so lightly?.   Hell, if Bioware wanted to terminate the relationship they should have either had a big dramatic showdown like they did with Ashley and Kaiden or they should have killed her off and used her death at the hands of your enemies to give Shepard a more personal interest in destroying his enemies.  To me it feels like a wasted opportunity.  She might fare better in ME3 since it seems like Bioware could be setting her up to become a tragic figure in ME3 who is in danger of falling to her quest for vengeance; however evolving her character in this manner doesn't necessitate making her presence in ME2 so benign and confusing.  And it goes without saying that if Liara is going to be obsesed with vengence in ME3,  Bioware damn well better give me a chance to save her or I am going to be seriously pissed off.  

If Bioware sticks with the more heavy handed and directed narrative style of ME2, I could actually see them making Shepard powerless to save Liara or his relationship withe her. That's  my biggest gripe with ME2,  the sense of powerlessness Shepard seems to have throughout.  I saved the whole damn galaxy damn it, So why the hell am I just sitting around and taking it when people pull my strings?   The Alliance and the counsel tell me to **** off and I take it, Ash calls me a traitor and I take it, Cerberus puts bugs on my ship and I take it, the Illusive Man blatantly manipulates me and I take it, Liara ignores me and I take it, what the hell is going on here?  Why am I just letting all this drop by the wayside? When did Shepard turn into such a damned pansy?   If there was a problem in ME1 you dealt with it; but in ME2 you just let **** slide all the damned time.  I'm Commander ****ing Shpard damn it!  I'm the baddest mother****er in the whole damned Galaxy!  So why the hell am I letting destiny pull me around on a leash?  I'm tired of ME2 making me feel powerless, here's hoping Shepard finds where he left his balls after ME1 and stops acting like a damned puppet in ME3.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 01 février 2010 - 06:03 .

[bjdbwea]

So true. I guess we'll all just have to constantly scream about how much we want Liara really back in ME 3, like apparently the Tali and Garrus fans did. Thing is, most people aren't so obsessed, we just feel Liara was a good character and an important part of Shepard's story, and it's very disappointing what BioWare did here.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 01 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

The main problem here is that BioWare didn't give Shepard any chance at all to talk about this whole issue, which is first of all completely unrealistic, as well as not understandable and very disappointing. Even if the developers for whatever reason want the relationship to end, there should at least be the opportunity to talk about it and let Liara clearly state her reasons. But maybe we're reading too much into it, and it was just one of those cases of development time running out. Either way, that scene was easily the most disappointing part of the game.

Agreed.  Easily the most disappointing, and that is a long list to be on top of.

[Nozybidaj]

Alixen wrote...


But yeah. Be nice if a patch made it harder to miss that option. Hate to think how many people who really liked Liara will give up on her because "she's changed". She really hasn't; she's just matured a little and is putting on an act. Badly at that. xD

Well, apparently I missed this part everyone is refering to.  I'll check and see if I have a save to go back to or not.

Stupid BW.

[HunterX6]

Litos456 wrote...

Woah, holy ****... I had no idea. Thanks.

haha same here....shi- this is going to cause some problems between tali and liara in ME3 i better start the game again and make 2 seperate files lol.

[implodinggoat]

bjdbwea wrote...

So true. I guess we'll all just have to constantly scream about how much we want Liara really back in ME 3, like apparently the Tali and Garrus fans did. Thing is, most people aren't so obsessed, we just feel Liara was a good character and an important part of Shepard's story, and it's very disappointing what BioWare did here.

I think most people who liked Liara didn't think they needed to scream about it.  She was more integral to the story in ME1 than any other member of the team, she couldn't die, and she was potentially Shepard's lover.  I figured she might not make the team in ME2, since Bioware was saving her for ME3; but that she would at least play an important role and that her relationship with Shepard would get some play time.  At worst I figured she might get killed off and used as emotional motivation to drive the story.  I never imagined in a million years, I would get shafted like this though.  I'm glad she didn't get killed off since it leaves the potential for her to play an important role in ME3, I'm just amazed that a game known for its writing would belittle an important and popular character like this.

If Bioware wants to make it up to me they'll need to give me some DLC that treats Liara more romantically and sends me on a mission which amounts to more than a minigame driven fetch quest and that mission will have to conclude with Shepard hopping back in bed with his cute blue bookworm, bonus points if Miranda hops in too.

[Fredgtrer]

They should give you an option to kill Liara

[Daeion]

thanks, I was wondering wtf was up with her, still think I should have gotten a sexy time scene before I went into the relay. Even went back to see if I could get anything else before going but nope. I was like wtf, I'm about to go die and you have nothing to say to me?

[ilikeicehockey]

LAME. SHE DOESN'T KNOW.

What about Kelly? Is she safe? I wanna keep Liara as an option for ME3.

Not sure but I think if the picture of liara stays up in your cabin then it means that you were loyal.

[jlb524]

ilikeicehockey wrote...

LAME. SHE DOESN'T KNOW.

What about Kelly? Is she safe? I wanna keep Liara as an option for ME3.

Not sure but I think if the picture of liara stays up in your cabin then it means that you were loyal.

You're right.  If you have the 'fling' with Kelly, the Liara picture remains.  If you romance Miranda, it does not.

[CanadAvenger]

Thanks so much, I was always wondering about this... I have yet to read the comics so this is a great help!

[Tuttotus]

BillyTheRatKing wrote...

Well poop... if I had seen that during the game I wouldn't have cheated on her with Tali...

That is exactly what just came out of my mouth. Except you’re
two days ahead of me on the comment. Oh well, I am going to make so many
characters, it won’t matter.

Modifié par Tuttotus, 02 février 2010 - 07:50 .

[Nozybidaj]

implodinggoat wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

So true. I guess we'll all just have to constantly scream about how much we want Liara really back in ME 3, like apparently the Tali and Garrus fans did. Thing is, most people aren't so obsessed, we just feel Liara was a good character and an important part of Shepard's story, and it's very disappointing what BioWare did here.

I think most people who liked Liara didn't think they needed to scream about it.  She was more integral to the story in ME1 than any other member of the team, she couldn't die, and she was potentially Shepard's lover.  I figured she might not make the team in ME2, since Bioware was saving her for ME3; but that she would at least play an important role and that her relationship with Shepard would get some play time.  At worst I figured she might get killed off and used as emotional motivation to drive the story.  I never imagined in a million years, I would get shafted like this though.  I'm glad she didn't get killed off since it leaves the potential for her to play an important role in ME3, I'm just amazed that a game known for its writing would belittle an important and popular character like this.

If Bioware wants to make it up to me they'll need to give me some DLC that treats Liara more romantically and sends me on a mission which amounts to more than a minigame driven fetch quest and that mission will have to conclude with Shepard hopping back in bed with his cute blue bookworm, bonus points if Miranda hops in too.

This, minus the Miranda part.  I would love to see not even just DLC but maybe a full expansion with Liara.  Maybe helping her tie up her mission against the Shadow broker.

[implodinggoat]

Nozybidaj wrote...

This, minus the Miranda part.  I would love to see not even just DLC but maybe a full expansion with Liara.  Maybe helping her tie up her mission against the Shadow broker.

I was kind of joking.  I think it would be out of character for both Liara and Miranda.  That said, it would be pretty hot and come to think of it, it was Ashley who got outraged when I suggested it in ME1, not Liara.....hmmm.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 01 février 2010 - 07:55 .

[CanadAvenger]

implodinggoat wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

The main problem here is that BioWare didn't give Shepard any chance at all to talk about this whole issue, which is first of all completely unrealistic, as well as not understandable and very disappointing. Even if the developers for whatever reason want the relationship to end, there should at least be the opportunity to talk about it and let Liara clearly state her reasons. But maybe we're reading too much into it, and it was just one of those cases of development time running out. Either way, that scene was easily the most disappointing part of the game.

Agreed, it is like the elephant in the room and yet its just brushed aside.  I can understand why Shepard wouldn't make an issue out of her wanting to pursue her own objective; but why wouldn't he/she try to at least get some "quality time" with his lover?  At the very least Liara's reply would pretty definitively tell Shepard where the relationship stands.  Its simply bizarre that Shepard would completely ignore his/her relationship with Liara

I haven't finished the whole campaign yet; but to me the encounter with Liara is the most poorly executed part of the narrative I've encountered.  Why is an important character who's both the protagonist of the new comic book and who may (hopefully) even return to Shepard's team in ME3, treated so lightly?.   Hell, if Bioware wanted to terminate the relationship they should have either had a big dramatic showdown like they did with Ashley and Kaiden or they should have killed her off and used her death at the hands of your enemies to give Shepard a more personal interest in destroying his enemies.  To me it feels like a wasted opportunity.  She might fare better in ME3 since it seems like Bioware could be setting her up to become a tragic figure in ME3 who is in danger of falling to her quest for vengeance; however evolving her character in this manner doesn't necessitate making her presence in ME2 so benign and confusing.  And it goes without saying that if Liara is going to be obsesed with vengence in ME3,  Bioware damn well better give me a chance to save her or I am going to be seriously pissed off.  

If Bioware sticks with the more heavy handed and directed narrative style of ME2, I could actually see them making Shepard powerless to save Liara or his relationship withe her. That's  my biggest gripe with ME2,  the sense of powerlessness Shepard seems to have throughout.  I saved the whole damn galaxy damn it, So why the hell am I just sitting around and taking it when people pull my strings?   The Alliance and the counsel tell me to **** off and I take it, Ash calls me a traitor and I take it, Cerberus puts bugs on my ship and I take it, the Illusive Man blatantly manipulates me and I take it, Liara ignores me and I take it, what the hell is going on here?  Why am I just letting all this drop by the wayside? When did Shepard turn into such a damned pansy?   If there was a problem in ME1 you dealt with it; but in ME2 you just let **** slide all the damned time.  I'm Commander ****ing Shpard damn it!  I'm the baddest mother****er in the whole damned Galaxy!  So why the hell am I letting destiny pull me around on a leash?  I'm tired of ME2 making me feel powerless, here's hoping Shepard finds where he left his balls after ME1 and stops acting like a damned puppet in ME3.

That, my friend, is well said. I would agree with pretty much everything you just said.

In regards to this topic though, and after watching that youtube video that the OP posted, I would say that there should be some sort of "quality time" with her. Even if it's not sex, just something to go with. If you remain faithful to her during the game (not getting any other love intrests with your crew), at the beginning of the Suicide Mission you see Shepard walk into his room and stare longingly at the picture of Liara on his/her desk, then sorta clench his fists, and crack his/her knuckles as if to say "I'm doing this for you."

That was kinda cool, but not really enough to really make you believe that this relationship will continue. (If it does, which I'm sure it does in one way or another, it won't be unil ME3)

For me, I am strangely obsessed  with Liara<3 ever since ME1. Im thinking it's because she has the same personality that I like in women in RL. So if anything happens to her in a negative way that I cannot control, I will be VERY, VERY angry!

Modifié par CanadAvenger, 01 février 2010 - 08:32 .

[vigna]

2 years to Liara may be 2 actual years, but to an Asari its like 2 months in the span of their life. Shepard was sleeping for 2 years so it's been zero time really. In that situation how hard could loyalty be?

[implodinggoat]

****.  I was just talking to Samara about the homicidal murder addicted Asari called the Ardat-Yakshi  and I just got a very bad feeling about what Bioware is going to do to Liara in ME3.  (To avoid spoilers for those who have not completed Samara's loyalty mission I have not mentioned the name of the Ardat-Yakshi who appears in ME2.)

Consider the following.

1:  Liara seems to be acting differently and is demonstrating a more coldblooded nature then one would have thought her capable of.

2:  Samara said that Ardat-Yakshi don't manifest symptoms until they reach maturity and while the one Ardat-Yakshi in ME2 apparently manifested symptoms at or before the age of 40, Liara is still quite young by Asari standards.  Alternatively Asari maturity could be activated by the joining of minds involved in Asari sex and as you will recall Liara was a virgin at the start of ME1 and even if Shepard did not become her lover there's no telling exactly what she's been up to in the two years between ME1 and ME2.

3:  While it is perhaps coincidental, ME1 and ME2 have only featured two Asari who's eyes have changed color from blue to pure black.  The two Asari are Liara and the Ardat-Yakshi in ME2.  The change to pure black eyes may be a trait universal to the Asari; but then again it might not be.

4:  Only pureblood Asari who are born from a union between two Asari may manifest the genes to become an Ardat-Yakshi and as you will recall Liara is a pureblood Asari.

4:  Liara doesn't know who her real mother is.

5:  Benezia never told Liara who her mother is leading one to believe that she likely had a reason to hide this fact.

6:  All of Samara's children have manifested the Ardat-Yakshi gene.

7A:  It is possible that Samara is Liara's mother.  After she took the justicar oath Samara was duty bound not to have children (for good reason in her case).  While this seems reassuring it would also be a very good reason for Benezia to hide the identity of Liara's mother.

or alternatively

7B: During the ME1 showdown with Benezia ( who you will recall was just a wee bit power mad and evil in ME1.) she says to Shepard "You do not know the priviledge of being a mother. There is power in creation.".    Furthermore the Ardat-Yakshi in ME2 reffered to herself as the genetic future of her people.  It is thus possible that Benezia used  technology to create (clone?) Liara without Samara's participation in an attempt to produce a superior Asari.  Much like Grunt was created to be the perfect Krogan. 

8:  There is no cure for an Ardat-Yakshi.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 01 février 2010 - 09:27 .