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[Riot Ring]

NOTE: THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ON ME2. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, DO NOT FILL YOUR TIME WITH TRYING TO PROVE ME WRONG, IT WON'T WORK AND IT BECOMES A FLAME WAR.

 I showed up to a gamestop at midnight expecting to get the greatest sequel since sliced bread and instead I ended up bringing a game home that easily made me feel insulted and a little stupid. Die hard ME fans may disagree out loud, but what I am about to say will make sense, whether you want to admit it or not....

ME2 has become a moron-friendly action game. What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking, has now become campaign mode on Gears of War. The leveling system is a joke and why they even bothered keeping an exp system is beyond me. They had cut so many RPG elements that I seriously believed that buying your skills along with your upgrades would have been a better idea. Not to mention the lack of an inventory, (which might I add, is the first thing I looked for when I could go to the pause menu) and the fact that I get a mission complete should not require a screen to show it like I was playing Devil May Cry. It makes me feel like a hand is guiding you through the game and all you have to do is fire a gun and decide what a good guy or bad guy would say.

I always complained about games and their developers allowing their games to get shot to hell because most of the world wants simple caveman "beat em up and reach the finish line" formats, but not Bioware. Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, all gems in gaming history. (Dont take my word for it, I am sure most have read a game informer or been to Gamespot/IGN) Hell, I gave up on Square-Enix before I gave up on Bioware, and in the end, ME2 is just another Halo. 

AN EXPLAINATION OF "CRITICAL THINKING" IN ME
Perhaps this is just my problem, but I do not exploit a game. Hell, I never even exploited the doctor/credit glitch I have heard so much about. So when using my engineer on insanity mode, I used abilities when I could alongside my pistol. The AI for your partners are so stupid that most of the time it is them that are the ones getting killed. I did not send my partners on a Kamikaze mission so that I could get the kill shot. Everyone stayed covered and safe. It took time to find out immunities and weaknesses as well as vantage points for good shots. I did not take my level 60 Soldier into the fray with Spectre Weapons and Collossus Armor. That in fact lowered the difficulty once again. Playing at the hardest difficulty on ME is harder than ME2 on the hardest difficulty.

The only true thing that happens when it comes to difficult in ME2 is that enemies simply focus fire on you 100% of the time. End of story. This is my take on which is more mentally straining. I lose health in ME, I am sh_t out of luck if I eventually run out of Medigel. In ME2, I just wait two seconds and I am a new man.

Modifié par Riot Ring, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:20 .

[llinsane1ll]

Lol, when did ME1 ever require strategic and critical thinking? Lol...

You ****ing people need to stop making threads and ****ing about it

If you don't like it, gtfo, trade in ME2, and don't buy ME3 so you don't come in here again to complain

[marshalleck]

Yeah. Spamming Immunity or Barrier and charging in with a gun that had infinite ammo and wouldn't overheat required SO MUCH strategy and thinking.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:08 .

[Raydiate]

So you are saying ME1 required "strategic and critical thinking". Man that must have been a different version from mine cuase all I remeber was grinding up to 50 and buy spectre weapons to 2shot everything in my path.

[Orogenic]

Riot Ring wrote...

 I showed up to a gamestop at midnight expecting to get the greatest sequel since sliced bread and instead I ended up bringing a game home that easily made me feel insulted and a little stupid. Die hard ME fans may disagree out loud, but what I am about to say will make sense, whether you want to admit it or not....

ME2 has become a moron-friendly action game. What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking, has now become campaign mode on Gears of War. The leveling system is a joke and why they even bothered keeping an exp system is beyond me. They had cut so many RPG elements that I seriously believed that buying your skills along with your upgrades would have been a better idea. Not to mention the lack of an inventory, (which might I add, is the first thing I looked for when I could go to the pause menu) and the fact that I get a mission complete should not require a screen to show it like I was playing Devil May Cry. It makes me feel like a hand is guiding you through the game and all you have to do is fire a gun and decide what a good guy or bad guy would say.

I always complained about games and their developers allowing their games to get shot to hell because most of the world wants simple caveman "beat em up and reach the finish line" formats, but not Bioware. Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, all gems in gaming history. (Dont take my word for it, I am sure most have read a game informer or been to Gamespot/IGN) Hell, I gave up on Square-Enix before I gave up on Bioware, and in the end, ME2 is just another Halo. 

RUNAWAY!!  The rabid anklebiters will now attack you for two pages for having an opinion.....

[Twitchmonkey]

Well, whatever they thought, it has worked, ME2 has received numerous perfect scores and has not received less than a 9/10 from any major reviewer, so they have certainly given gamers what they wanted, regardless of what that says about the gamer. Personally I loved ME1, but I find ME2 to be better in just about every way, especially in combat which is much more intense and strategic than the first because the enemies are actually challenging. In the first you hardly had to do anything to survive on insanity outside of being a total idiot.

[Dethateer]

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah. Spamming Immunity or Barrier and charging in with a gun that had infinite ammo and wouldn't overheat required SO MUCH strategy and thinking.

QFT
The ONLY reason you ever had to use strategy was if you started a game from scratch on Insanity.

[ODST 3]

Mass Effect 2 is a hell of a lot more strategic that Mass Effect 1.

[The Chosen Predator]

ME2 gameplay is leaps and bounds better then the original of course and I am hoping the RP aspect is leaps and bounds better then ME1/ME2 for ME3. I was more concerned about my actions through the first one as opposed to ME2 for some reason, I would love a lot more side quest besides teammate ones and random encounters since there seems to be mercenaries and pirate talk all the time.

Modifié par The Chosen Predator, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:16 .

[Raydiate]

Orogenic wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

 I showed up to a gamestop at midnight expecting to get the greatest sequel since sliced bread and instead I ended up bringing a game home that easily made me feel insulted and a little stupid. Die hard ME fans may disagree out loud, but what I am about to say will make sense, whether you want to admit it or not....

ME2 has become a moron-friendly action game. What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking, has now become campaign mode on Gears of War. The leveling system is a joke and why they even bothered keeping an exp system is beyond me. They had cut so many RPG elements that I seriously believed that buying your skills along with your upgrades would have been a better idea. Not to mention the lack of an inventory, (which might I add, is the first thing I looked for when I could go to the pause menu) and the fact that I get a mission complete should not require a screen to show it like I was playing Devil May Cry. It makes me feel like a hand is guiding you through the game and all you have to do is fire a gun and decide what a good guy or bad guy would say.

I always complained about games and their developers allowing their games to get shot to hell because most of the world wants simple caveman "beat em up and reach the finish line" formats, but not Bioware. Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, all gems in gaming history. (Dont take my word for it, I am sure most have read a game informer or been to Gamespot/IGN) Hell, I gave up on Square-Enix before I gave up on Bioware, and in the end, ME2 is just another Halo. 

RUNAWAY!!  The rabid anklebiters will now attack you for two pages for having an opinion.....

His "opnion" is fine but did you even read his post? He says and I quote "What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking, has now become campaign mode on Gears of War". Strategic and Critical thinking? Say what? I wonder what game he was playing >.>.

[Gorn Kregore]

llinsane1ll wrote...

Lol, when did ME1 ever require strategic and critical thinking? Lol...
You ****ing people need to stop making threads and ****ing about it
If you don't like it, gtfo, trade in ME2, and don't buy ME3 so you don't come in here again to complain

LOL MY SAME THOUGHTS EXACTLY MAN

Seriously strategic and critical thinking in Mass Effect  1 was almost none existant. Hell if you think ME2 is for morons than ME1 must have been for something even lower than that.

[Riot Ring]

@ llinsane1ll - I believe I am allowed to voice my opinion with a game that was supposed to be an improved version of the first, but was not. Oh and what moron would trade in a brand new game to any store for 1/3 the price you paid for it? I have no choice but to get my moneys worth out of it. Don't be stupid. I keep forgetting that most people don't play on insanity difficulty like I do in ME1. The horrible AI partners finding cover added to the critical thinking. (ie: "How do I keep Ashley from getting gutted by 10 krogans.)



@ marshalleck - Wow, its like you loaded my save file and figured out my strategy. (Sarcasm.) I actually play the game, not figure out ways to skate through via spam.



@ Raydiate - Play on a higher difficulty then. I would fly through the game with spectre weapons too, if I stayed on Normal difficulty after every playthrough.

[Riot Ring]

The funny part about all of this, is that you are trying to focus on my strategy comment, rather than the fact that the game has been simplified to the point where all I have to do is face a wave or two before I get a "Congrats!" screen and return to my ship.

[NorseDude]

I'm getting really tired of telling people this, but Mass Effect 2 DOES have an inventory. It DOES have upgrades. It DOES have all the RPG bits from the first one. What it doesn't have is a huge inventory full of crap, handing you money just for the sake of making you feel rich and skills you never use. You want inventory? Go to the Normandy and research new stuff. Want upgrades? Research it. Want skills? You have far less than in the last game, but that simply means you don't have 10 ranks in medikits or hacking. This time you have only four ranks in the few skills you have, but they are far more important. No, you don't have Unity or Healing, but the Unity is a common skill that uses medikits. And just so you know, you can research it so it gets better, too. You don't have a hacking skill, but everyone can hack. And yep, you can do some research to improve it, if you want to.



And the list goes on. All in all, ME2 has everything ME1 had, but it's cleverly disguised and not as obvious and tedious. We really need a big sticky, or a NPC telling you this in-game.

[Gorn Kregore]

Riot Ring wrote...

@ llinsane1ll - I believe I am allowed to voice my opinion with a game that was supposed to be an improved version of the first, but was not. Oh and what moron would trade in a brand new game to any store for 1/3 the price you paid for it? I have no choice but to get my moneys worth out of it. Don't be stupid. I keep forgetting that most people don't play on insanity difficulty like I do in ME1. The horrible AI partners finding cover added to the critical thinking. (ie: "How do I keep Ashley from getting gutted by 10 krogans.)

@ marshalleck - Wow, its like you loaded my save file and figured out my strategy. (Sarcasm.) I actually play the game, not figure out ways to skate through via spam.

@ Raydiate - Play on a higher difficulty then. I would fly through the game with spectre weapons too, if I stayed on Normal difficulty after every playthrough.

[Raydiate]

Riot Ring wrote...

The horrible AI partners finding cover added to the critical thinking. (ie: "How do I keep Ashley from getting gutted by 10 krogans.).

@ Raydiate - Play on a higher difficulty then. I would fly through the game with spectre weapons too, if I stayed on Normal difficulty after every playthrough.

That was your mistake. I just sent them in as distractions and then took everything out myself. I still stand by my point. ME1 had no strategy and required almost no thinking gameplay wise. It was a GRIND.

[FlurryJK2]

They should make a board strictly for complaining

[llinsane1ll]

Gorn Kregore wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

@ llinsane1ll - I believe I am allowed to voice my opinion with a game that was supposed to be an improved version of the first, but was not. Oh and what moron would trade in a brand new game to any store for 1/3 the price you paid for it? I have no choice but to get my moneys worth out of it. Don't be stupid. I keep forgetting that most people don't play on insanity difficulty like I do in ME1. The horrible AI partners finding cover added to the critical thinking. (ie: "How do I keep Ashley from getting gutted by 10 krogans.)

@ marshalleck - Wow, its like you loaded my save file and figured out my strategy. (Sarcasm.) I actually play the game, not figure out ways to skate through via spam.

@ Raydiate - Play on a higher difficulty then. I would fly through the game with spectre weapons too, if I stayed on Normal difficulty after every playthrough.

ROFL

[Orogenic]

Riot, as someone who has been fighting this battle for days I can tell you that no one here cares about logic, your right to your own point of view, or even civil discussion for that matter.



I've tried to be reasonable despite constant personal attacks and insults and I've tried to carefully explain a different point of view to the "fans"...



But in the end all you get is "you are an idiot, ME 2 is a better game in every way, and if you think differently you are a hater and a troll"



Even my masochism has limits lol..



Has been an interesting sociological experiment though.

[marshalleck]

Riot Ring wrote...

@ marshalleck - Wow, its like you loaded my save file and figured out my strategy. (Sarcasm.) I actually play the game, not figure out ways to skate through via spam.

Are you denying that it was possible to spam mindlessly through each encounter, either as an Immunity class or a Barrier class? 

Are you denying that charging head first into a pack of enemies in ME2, ignoring cover and holding down the shoot button will get you either killed or waste all your ammo, forcing you to rethink your approach?

It's simply not true that ME1 required more strategy and critical thinking. Sorry.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 janvier 2010 - 05:25 .

[Riot Ring]

NorseDude wrote...

I'm getting really tired of telling people this, but Mass Effect 2 DOES have an inventory. It DOES have upgrades. It DOES have all the RPG bits from the first one. What it doesn't have is a huge inventory full of crap, handing you money just for the sake of making you feel rich and skills you never use. You want inventory? Go to the Normandy and research new stuff. Want upgrades? Research it. Want skills? You have far less than in the last game, but that simply means you don't have 10 ranks in medikits or hacking. This time you have only four ranks in the few skills you have, but they are far more important. No, you don't have Unity or Healing, but the Unity is a common skill that uses medikits. And just so you know, you can research it so it gets better, too. You don't have a hacking skill, but everyone can hack. And yep, you can do some research to improve it, if you want to.

And the list goes on. All in all, ME2 has everything ME1 had, but it's cleverly disguised and not as obvious and tedious. We really need a big sticky, or a NPC telling you this in-game.

lol You really believe that don't you? Thats adorable.

[Orogenic]

lol see?



look at the post above.. these are just a bunch of lost children.. kinda feel bad for them.

[Godzilla vs Xenu]

Orogenic wrote...

RUNAWAY!!  The rabid anklebiters will now attack you for two pages for having an opinion.....

This coming from someone who attacks anyone who writes that they disagree with an OP's negative review. You continue to be an unintentional laugh riot. And I like how you stuck an insult in there as well, suggesting YOU are clearly the MATURE one, and all who disagree with your assessment of the game, all who may actually LIKE the game and state their opinion, are kids. As someone said in another thread the other day, you are a total hypocrite and only seem interested in "opinion rights" when that opinion agrees with yours. If you fail to see how that is comically ironic then I think you should be assessing your own maturity level, not that of other gamers.

[llinsane1ll]

Riot Ring wrote...

@ llinsane1ll - I believe I am allowed to voice my opinion with a game that was supposed to be an improved version of the first, but was not. Oh and what moron would trade in a brand new game to any store for 1/3 the price you paid for it? I have no choice but to get my moneys worth out of it. Don't be stupid. I keep forgetting that most people don't play on insanity difficulty like I do in ME1. The horrible AI partners finding cover added to the critical thinking. (ie: "How do I keep Ashley from getting gutted by 10 krogans.)

@ marshalleck - Wow, its like you loaded my save file and figured out my strategy. (Sarcasm.) I actually play the game, not figure out ways to skate through via spam.

@ Raydiate - Play on a higher difficulty then. I would fly through the game with spectre weapons too, if I stayed on Normal difficulty after every playthrough.

Dude I beat the game 5 times in Insanity, and still... no strategic and critical thinking. All you do is, stay back, shoot an enemy for 30-40 sec until he dies even with the best weapons and armor you have. And for you trading in the game, you sure **** about how ME2 sucks, so if you don't like it, don't play it, simple as that. And there were never one time where I ran into 10 Krogan so stop with your exaggerations, only time that was true was when I went to Tuchunka or w/e for Grunts loyalty quest

[Twitchmonkey]

Orogenic wrote...

Riot, as someone who has been fighting this battle for days I can tell you that no one here cares about logic, your right to your own point of view, or even civil discussion for that matter.

I've tried to be reasonable despite constant personal attacks and insults and I've tried to carefully explain a different point of view to the "fans"...

But in the end all you get is "you are an idiot, ME 2 is a better game in every way, and if you think differently you are a hater and a troll"

Even my masochism has limits lol..

Has been an interesting sociological experiment though.

You'll get similar responses if you make a post about why ME2 is great. You'll also get some intelligent and well-defended reasons why. Quite unfair to act like everyone responding here has been trolling, though yes, some responses haven't been too helpful. There is a certain consensus amongst you people that dislike ME2, however, that those of us that do like it are ignorant fanboys, which couldn't be farther from the truth.