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[Scharfschutzen]

Riot Ring wrote...


  
ME2 has become a moron-friendly action game. What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking, has now become campaign mode on Gears of War. 

 

What parallel universe are you from?  Spam immunity, get the Spectre Master Weapon X shotgun and you have a moron-friendly action game.  I die like 5x as many times in Mass Effect 2 than I died in the first (with a fresh character on insanity).  The enemies are more numerous, pernicious, and perspicacious.  The ammunition system makes one conscientious about being profligate in combat. You must be in the sequel-inversion parallel universe.  

Modifié par Scharfschutzen, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:47 .

[Soruyao]

Riot Ring wrote...
You are civil about this, so I can be too. I usually write off people that try to logically outdo others via extensive text, but you have your head on your shoulders about this. Apologies for the misquote.

My opinion evolved as I went along in my first post and became a rant. So you are absolutely right. Perhaps this explains the unsettling retorts from the biased diehards.

And people say you cant be adults in a forum.

I think it's insulting the intelligence of people on a forums to reply to people's arguments with one-liners.  Much better to put some effort into it.  

I think more people would be more interested in putting some thought and text into an argument if people didn't reply to them with angry one-liners as much.    Might I suggest a less inflammatory topic title next time?   Something along the lines of "I think the combat in this game is less complex and it dissapoints me."   Might get a little less anger and a little more meaningful discussion.   (I think it fits what you were trying to say a little better, too.)   

Putting the opinion in the topic instead of a statement that sounds like a fact would help people understand that this is a topic that has a focus on your opinion on the change more than the change itself.  (However, if you back up that opinion with things that sound like facts, then people will always disagree with those facts, so you should be prepared to back them up if you want to post them and continue the topic without a flamewar.)

-edit-  This is a little offtopic, but  I love fps multiplayer.  I put a lot of time in halo 2 and 3 and got pretty decent at it.   I think contrary to what most people here think that it's pretty darned complex.  I could write a novel on that too but that's a little too off topic.   I didn't like the modern warfare series though, that did feel kind of boring and simplistic.  I liked the gears of war series a lot too, so I definitely have a bias around changes that make the game feel a little more like it, but I try to look past that.   Here's the question:  Do I sound like your stereotype of how a shooter player thinks?   Stereotypes are dangerous.

Modifié par Soruyao, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:50 .

[Evil Johnny 666]

And what the ****, I love Halo, yet I love rpgs. And it's not because ME2 is "dubbed down", remember I told how many more complex rpgs than ME1 are out there? Yeah, I play some of them. I'm not crying when I play a non-rpg game, I'm crying when I play a bad game, which ME2 isn't.

[Sageless Ranger]

NoBrand0nMe wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

NoBrand0nMe wrote...

I personally 100% agree on ops post. I beat me1 about 12 times and enjoyed it every time. I have beaten me2 once.. constantly asking why they changed this or that.. already bored. I feel like people like op are the ones that have been with bioware since the beginning and have loved every game but the 12y/os flaming this post and any other post concerning the changes in me2 have just gotten bored on COD and needed a new shooter. Oh.. and about the ratings.. check me1 while also checking gears of war and dead space. Its obviously going to get a high score, just not by me or any true bioware fan.

Why is it that any who liked ME2 is a bored COD fan? Sure Cod was ok, but was nowhere near games like KOTOR, which I loved, also loved ME1, its not like bioware doesn't make  strict rpgs anymore, they just made DAO, and maybe they wanted to have ME2 be more in the middle, but  on things for sure, the story in the ME2 games is the best there is.

Idk how anyone could think the ME2 story was better then ME1.. I guess people have very different opinions on the matter.

oops, meant to say taht the story in the ME games is the best, meaning the cumulative story of both games.

[MythikStripes]

MythikStripes wrote...

Ok, here is what i have to say. There are always going to be opposing sides, and people trying to convince the other there views. Nothing we can really do. However, what really aggravates me, is that everyone is focusing on the negative parts of the game( based on their own opinion ).
What would be nice, is to see people discussing the great parts of the game. You know things as character development, the characters themselves, the story, the graphics, etc.

What my point is, is that there are too many complaint threads and flamers. If you did your research and still bought the game, then there must have been stuff about the game you like/loved.So to say that something as insignificant as not having an inventory with on missions is immature. Also saying that taking away the skill development is not RPG anymore is wrong. I don't know how far you've gotten in the game, but when you max out a skill, you can choose to evolve it into two choices. There are so many combinations, that i does make it an RPG.

RPG is Role Playing Game. You are playing Shepard. Your playing his role, his story. You can develop him the way way you want, from choosing gender and appearance, classes, skills, skill evolution, whom you decide to save or kill, to recruit or discard, to be paragon or renegade, to upgrade ship, to going out on planets and doing side quests. All these make it a RPG.

I don't mean to attack anyone or their opinions, but this what i believe.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

I hate to bump my own post, but i think it was looked over. I just want to know peoples opinion on my opinion:P

Modifié par MythikStripes, 30 janvier 2010 - 06:50 .

[Riot Ring]

@ Ibby1kanobi - Reviews dont mean a thing to anyone. A game is only as good as you think it is, not what a pie chart says. Dont be a lemming.



@ corebit - Thanks for the pitty. Its always nice to have some of that on hand. lol



@ jpetrey123 - Hand me some links dated before the game came out and I will believe you. Saying "you fail" does not make you the winner of the last word contest.



@ Scharfschutzen - Read posts before covering that. Old subject.



@ Soruyao - I title is a way for BioWare to at least raise a brow to the thread, but instead, I got the onslaught.

[Scharfschutzen]

Riot Ring wrote...


@ Scharfschutzen - Read posts before covering that. Old subject.

Your opinion is still obtuse.  Did you even play Mass Effect 1?  I can understand being polemic, but I can't imagine how someone with an iota of a brain could possible believe what you do.  

[Riot Ring]

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...


@ Scharfschutzen - Read posts before covering that. Old subject.

Your opinion is still obtuse.  Did you even play Mass Effect 1?  I can understand being polemic, but I can't imagine how someone with an iota of a brain could possible believe what you do.  

Yes I did. Quit trying to prove me wrong. You disagree, so good on you. 

[Sageless Ranger]

I just have one thing to say about people's so called "opinions"

"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - John F. Kennedy

[Riot Ring]

Sageless Ranger wrote...

I just have one thing to say about people's so called "opinions"
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - John F. Kennedy

That was deep. Thanks JFK.

[Scharfschutzen]

Riot Ring wrote...

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...


@ Scharfschutzen - Read posts before covering that. Old subject.

Your opinion is still obtuse.  Did you even play Mass Effect 1?  I can understand being polemic, but I can't imagine how someone with an iota of a brain could possible believe what you do.  

Yes I did. Quit trying to prove me wrong. You disagree, so good on you. 

It's pretty unrealistic to expect forumites on the official bioware forums to not dispute your negative opinions about their favorite games.  It's a subjective standard.  I'm not trying to disprove you, I'm wondering what instances of ME1 were more strategic than ME2.  Did you not know that the power wheel existed or that you could buy new weapons? 

[Soruyao]

Riot Ring wrote...
@ Soruyao - I title is a way for BioWare to at least raise a brow to the thread, but instead, I got the onslaught.

Any time you create a title that is inflammatory to the developers of a game a lot of people like, you're going to get a lot of people coming in and being very short with you.   It always happens the same way.

If you create a topic with a title that encourages thoughtful discussion, you're more likely to avoid a flamewar.  You're also more likely to get a developer to read a thread.   They tend to prefer reading threads that discus an issue intelligently, rather than ones that insult them or devolve into a meaningless flamewar.

At least, thats what it seems like to me.

[Riot Ring]

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...


@ Scharfschutzen - Read posts before covering that. Old subject.

Your opinion is still obtuse.  Did you even play Mass Effect 1?  I can understand being polemic, but I can't imagine how someone with an iota of a brain could possible believe what you do.  

Yes I did. Quit trying to prove me wrong. You disagree, so good on you. 

It's pretty unrealistic to expect forumites on the official bioware forums to not dispute your negative opinions about their favorite games.  It's a subjective standard.  I'm not trying to disprove you, I'm wondering what instances of ME1 were more strategic than ME2.  Did you not know that the power wheel existed or that you could buy new weapons? 

Hmm, condescending undertones, well played. To answer your questions, yes. I used the power wheel and bought new weapons. 

[sinosleep]

BWA HA HA HA HA. ME 1 required strategy? LMFAO. The whiners are really coming out of the wood work. What's next, the side missions in ME 1 were so much better than those in in ME 2. I mean, why would you ever want to do anything other than go to a planet, gather a resource and an artifact than kill everything in a building that had one of 3 maps recycled adnauseum? It's the EPITOME OF FUN!

[NoBrand0nMe]

Sageless Ranger wrote...

NoBrand0nMe wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

NoBrand0nMe wrote...

I personally 100% agree on ops post. I beat me1 about 12 times and enjoyed it every time. I have beaten me2 once.. constantly asking why they changed this or that.. already bored. I feel like people like op are the ones that have been with bioware since the beginning and have loved every game but the 12y/os flaming this post and any other post concerning the changes in me2 have just gotten bored on COD and needed a new shooter. Oh.. and about the ratings.. check me1 while also checking gears of war and dead space. Its obviously going to get a high score, just not by me or any true bioware fan.

Why is it that any who liked ME2 is a bored COD fan? Sure Cod was ok, but was nowhere near games like KOTOR, which I loved, also loved ME1, its not like bioware doesn't make  strict rpgs anymore, they just made DAO, and maybe they wanted to have ME2 be more in the middle, but  on things for sure, the story in the ME2 games is the best there is.

Idk how anyone could think the ME2 story was better then ME1.. I guess people have very different opinions on the matter.

oops, meant to say taht the story in the ME games is the best, meaning the cumulative story of both games.

I completely agree with that.

[Riot Ring]

Soruyao wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...
@ Soruyao - I title is a way for BioWare to at least raise a brow to the thread, but instead, I got the onslaught.

Any time you create a title that is inflammatory to the developers of a game a lot of people like, you're going to get a lot of people coming in and being very short with you.   It always happens the same way.

If you create a topic with a title that encourages thoughtful discussion, you're more likely to avoid a flamewar.  You're also more likely to get a developer to read a thread.   They tend to prefer reading threads that discus an issue intelligently, rather than ones that insult them or devolve into a meaningless flamewar.

At least, thats what it seems like to me.

They can defend their developers elsewhere. And you are wrong, they tend to prefer reading topics applauding the game or any other Bioware game.

Have you noticed that fans of the series as a whole have literally talked down on the first game just so they could prove to me that ME2 is better?

Where is the intelligence in that?

[Sageless Ranger]

Riot Ring wrote...

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...


@ Scharfschutzen - Read posts before covering that. Old subject.

Your opinion is still obtuse.  Did you even play Mass Effect 1?  I can understand being polemic, but I can't imagine how someone with an iota of a brain could possible believe what you do.  

Yes I did. Quit trying to prove me wrong. You disagree, so good on you. 

It's pretty unrealistic to expect forumites on the official bioware forums to not dispute your negative opinions about their favorite games.  It's a subjective standard.  I'm not trying to disprove you, I'm wondering what instances of ME1 were more strategic than ME2.  Did you not know that the power wheel existed or that you could buy new weapons? 

Hmm, condescending undertones, well played. To answer your questions, yes. I used the power wheel and bought new weapons. 

i am interested as well, as to what aspect you consider more strategic in ME1?

[Scharfschutzen]

Riot Ring wrote...

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

Scharfschutzen wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...


@ Scharfschutzen - Read posts before covering that. Old subject.

Your opinion is still obtuse.  Did you even play Mass Effect 1?  I can understand being polemic, but I can't imagine how someone with an iota of a brain could possible believe what you do.  

Yes I did. Quit trying to prove me wrong. You disagree, so good on you. 

It's pretty unrealistic to expect forumites on the official bioware forums to not dispute your negative opinions about their favorite games.  It's a subjective standard.  I'm not trying to disprove you, I'm wondering what instances of ME1 were more strategic than ME2.  Did you not know that the power wheel existed or that you could buy new weapons? 

Hmm, condescending undertones, well played. To answer your questions, yes. I used the power wheel and bought new weapons. 

I apologize.  As you have already palpably guessed, I think that you're opinions are stupid; However, I'd like to ask you what specific instances of the game were more strategic than ME2. 

[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

Try playing on Insanity, then you'll need to use some strategy ; ). As for the inventory, yeh I miss it too. As for the rest of the game, I enjoy exploring the galaxy, not as much as ME1, but its still fun. I think we should all just cross our fingers for ME3. Yes there will be a 3, it says so in ME2. I also agree with the fact they're babying us. I'm tired of seeing "Press RT to launch probe" every two seconds...

Modifié par Mabari Owns High Dragon, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:09 .

[Soruyao]

So, I am a little curious about something. Riot ring, do you think you could run us through an average fight in ME1 and how you would approach it strategy wise, and then do the same thing for ME2?



You don't have to, of course, but I think it would shine some light on exactly what parts of ME2 that you're finding simplistic and not liking. As it is right now, I don't completely understand where you're coming from.

[Twitchmonkey]

Riot Ring wrote...

They can defend their developers elsewhere. And you are wrong, they tend to prefer reading topics applauding the game or any other Bioware game.

Have you noticed that fans of the series as a whole have literally talked down on the first game just so they could prove to me that ME2 is better?

Where is the intelligence in that?

The first game had a lot of problems, that was apparent then, and it is more apparent now that something better has come along, doesn't make ME1 a bad game. ME2 has its problems as well, fewer, but they're still there, hopefully ME3 will be perfect, but I doubt it. Also, if ME2 and Bioware fans tended to prefer positive threads, why would there be so much opposition here? You'd think the fans would just pass it over.

[GODzilla]

Riot Ring wrote...
What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking

If you can prove that, just that, you will most likely get the Nobel prize 2010. When and where in Mass Effect was it necessary to think strategically?

Not in the fights, they were much simpler than in ME2. In most situation it was like: "I'll wait in the only entrance to the room until one enemy after the other comes at me and so I kill them in a straight row." This is now MUCH better in ME2. I even had situation where I was flanked, so I really HAD to move my ass into another position. Plus there have been so many situation where I was able to flank the enemy by successfully looking around the battlefield and use it to my advantage. None of this stuff was in ME.

Not in the decisions where to go next. Okay there was this one situation where, when you got to Liara late in the game, the outcome of the mission was different. And else? Nothing. It was quite straitforward, it had a clear beginning and an end.

Not in the story decisions. Story decisions were basically between good and bad. Nothing tactical here. Whilst in ME2 I've already ran across two situations where you could choose different paths in a mission, leading to a different outcome. A person dies or lives. And in the process it either helps you (and dies, or maybe lives I've you're quick / good enough) and makes the mission easier, or the survival of this person is guaranteed, but the mission is more difficult as you do all by yourself. Okay I think there was indeed a situation in ME that was equal, but at least ME2 is not giving up on this gameplay mechanic, so you can't say it has been dumbed down in that part.

Not in the development of your character. I played through ME three times, creating specialists and multi-talents alike and got through the game with both approaches. So there's hardly an tactical decision or wrong decision you could make with the RPG-elements of the game.

Not in the choice of your weapons. No really not. The weapons - just like the shooter part - where very generic in ME. There were hundreds of them, with minimal differences between the top models among them and with just different colors. In ME2 you have less weapons, but every new and improved type feels different. It actually makes sense considering to use this or that weapon for a mission, when you vaguely know which kind of enemies you will face.


I'm not saying ME2 improved in all that parts, that it's a HUGE difference. But I don't have to. YOU have to prove in what department the first part of the series was more sophisticated in a critical and strategic way in order to make your point! So do it, please. I will listen.

Modifié par GODzilla_GSPB, 30 janvier 2010 - 07:13 .

[Scharfschutzen]

Riot Ring wrote...

Soruyao wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...
@ Soruyao - I title is a way for BioWare to at least raise a brow to the thread, but instead, I got the onslaught.

Any time you create a title that is inflammatory to the developers of a game a lot of people like, you're going to get a lot of people coming in and being very short with you.   It always happens the same way.

If you create a topic with a title that encourages thoughtful discussion, you're more likely to avoid a flamewar.  You're also more likely to get a developer to read a thread.   They tend to prefer reading threads that discus an issue intelligently, rather than ones that insult them or devolve into a meaningless flamewar.

At least, thats what it seems like to me.

They can defend their developers elsewhere. And you are wrong, they tend to prefer reading topics applauding the game or any other Bioware game.

Have you noticed that fans of the series as a whole have literally talked down on the first game just so they could prove to me that ME2 is better? x

Where is the intelligence in that?

These are the official bioware forums!  What better place is there to defend the developers?                                            Maybe ME2 is better than ME1.  Have you ever thought of that? 

[NoBrand0nMe]

Mabari Owns High Dragon wrote...

Try playing on Insanity, then you'll need to use some strategy ; ). As for the inventory, yeh I miss it too. As for the rest of the game, I enjoy exploring the galaxy, not as much as ME1, but its still fun. I think we should all just cross our fingers for ME3. Yes there will be a 3, it says so in ME2. I also agree with the fact they're babying us. I'm tired of seeing "Press RT to launch probe" every two seconds...

If they took the best of both games then they could truly create something amazing. Not like me1 isnt already..

[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

NoBrand0nMe wrote...

Mabari Owns High Dragon wrote...

Try playing on Insanity, then you'll need to use some strategy ; ). As for the inventory, yeh I miss it too. As for the rest of the game, I enjoy exploring the galaxy, not as much as ME1, but its still fun. I think we should all just cross our fingers for ME3. Yes there will be a 3, it says so in ME2. I also agree with the fact they're babying us. I'm tired of seeing "Press RT to launch probe" every two seconds...

If they took the best of both games then they could truly create something amazing. Not like me1 isnt already..

My thoughts exactly.