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[DKnightPortela]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

DKnightPortela wrote...

wowow so EVERYONE is ok with the end mission screen instead of ROLEPLAYING and walking to the shuttle for extraction and THEN mission over with a cutscene of the shuttle boarding with the team? If you say yes then you dont deserve to say the word roleplay.

Doesn't bother me in the least. I care about roleplaying story elements, not running to airlocks. Would I have minded it being down the other way? No, but I couldn't really care either way.

Then sorry but i sugest you remain with MW2, because you dont know what roleplaying is. And even MW2 had me going for the chopper, which as an ex soldier myself only brought forth some realism and involvement which they didnt need to since its a shooter, you go from A to B and try to survive. ME2 is great no doubt about it but they REALLY missed the beat on that aspect, and not being able to go back to an area that you were in a mission to search for the missing upgrades that is tottaly stupid, its like my wife saying i cant go to the toilet because i dont have to dump cargo so its off limits.

In a RPG you can go anywhere you have been before and return unless the storyline itself shows there was a cataclism or a valid reason not to go there anymore (Virmire). I've been quiet on that matter in this forum but enought is enought, despite a epic story ME2 failed in the finer aspects of roleplay so i dont even considere it a RPG anymore but a hibrid but dont even say its a true RPG, you're LYING and that wont sell and just because you thing its the best thing since popcorn it doesnt make anyone trying to sell that the bearer of infinite truth. Its as they said a Shooter with RPG elements and lets call it a day.  (yes i know they said it the other way around but i noticed that when casey said it he missed a beat so even him doesnt believe on it).

Does it ruin the game being a shooter with RPG elements? Nope. I'm going on the second play with a diferent specialization and i plan on playing all 6.

[Vandrayke]

gatorgod wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

@ llinsane1ll - I believe I am allowed to voice my opinion with a game that was supposed to be an improved version of the first, but was not. Oh and what moron would trade in a brand new game to any store for 1/3 the price you paid for it? I have no choice but to get my moneys worth out of it. Don't be stupid. I keep forgetting that most people don't play on insanity difficulty like I do in ME1. The horrible AI partners finding cover added to the critical thinking. (ie: "How do I keep Ashley from getting gutted by 10 krogans.)

@ marshalleck - Wow, its like you loaded my save file and figured out my strategy. (Sarcasm.) I actually play the game, not figure out ways to skate through via spam.

@ Raydiate - Play on a higher difficulty then. I would fly through the game with spectre weapons too, if I stayed on Normal difficulty after every playthrough.

lol did he seriouly use the fact that me1 was worse than me2 to prove that it is better

lol he did make a thread calling everyone a moron and then demanded that nobody argue with him because he was entitled to his opinion and if anyone didn't like it they would get flamed

[fchopin]

I have been playing ME2 for about 6 hours now and find it very simplistic, so far i am going through the game without needing to think on anything so i am expecting the game to get better hopefully and more darker.

[Ibby1kanobi]

"@ Ibby1kanobi - Reviews dont mean a thing to anyone. A game is only as good as you think it is, not what a pie chart says. Dont be a lemming."

No, what it means is that a LARGE MAJORITY of the people playing and reviewing the game think its EXCELLENT. What that means, is that a very small minority don't like whats going on, and to be frank, Who cares what the very small minority think?

The point is, don't say that "OMG SO MANY PPLZ HATE THIS GAMESZ". When its actually very very very few people who have gripes.

This was an excellent game. It stayed true to its RPG roots while making combat more fun. It also whittled away the clunky and frivolous inventory system.

Modifié par Ibby1kanobi, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:18 .

[WillieStyle]

fchopin wrote...

I have been playing ME2 for about 6 hours now and find it very simplistic, so far i am going through the game without needing to think on anything so i am expecting the game to get better hopefully and more darker.

What difficulty level are you playing on?  If you're not already playing on Insanity, might I suggest upping the difficulty level.  I'm playing on Hardcore and I find that I have to strategize quite a bit.

If you're already playing on Insanity, then I bow to you.  You are a FAR better gamer than I.

[Vandrayke]

WillieStyle wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I have been playing ME2 for about 6 hours now and find it very simplistic, so far i am going through the game without needing to think on anything so i am expecting the game to get better hopefully and more darker.

What difficulty level are you playing on?  If you're not already playing on Insanity, might I suggest upping the difficulty level.  I'm playing on Hardcore and I find that I have to strategize quite a bit.

If you're already playing on Insanity, then I bow to you.  You are a FAR better gamer than I.

yeah once the game started feeling easy I cranked it up.  Hardcore has me dying a fair amount but not constantly so I think that is about right for me. 

[kiyyto]

NorseDude wrote...

I'm getting really tired of telling people this, but Mass Effect 2 DOES have an inventory. It DOES have upgrades. It DOES have all the RPG bits from the first one. What it doesn't have is a huge inventory full of crap, handing you money just for the sake of making you feel rich and skills you never use. You want inventory? Go to the Normandy and research new stuff. Want upgrades? Research it. Want skills? You have far less than in the last game, but that simply means you don't have 10 ranks in medikits or hacking. This time you have only four ranks in the few skills you have, but they are far more important. No, you don't have Unity or Healing, but the Unity is a common skill that uses medikits. And just so you know, you can research it so it gets better, too. You don't have a hacking skill, but everyone can hack. And yep, you can do some research to improve it, if you want to.

And the list goes on. All in all, ME2 has everything ME1 had, but it's cleverly disguised and not as obvious and tedious. We really need a big sticky, or a NPC telling you this in-game.

You are getting tired?
Then stop, because you are dead wrong.
In the sense of Mass Effect vs Mass Effect 2, ME2 was gutted. EVERYONE knows this, read the reviews. Some people prefer the new some the old, but there is no question that ME2 < ME when it comes to the RPG elements.

[kiyyto]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

"@ Ibby1kanobi - Reviews dont mean a thing to anyone. A game is only as good as you think it is, not what a pie chart says. Dont be a lemming."

No, what it means is that a LARGE MAJORITY of the people playing and reviewing the game think its EXCELLENT. What that means, is that a very small minority don't like whats going on, and to be frank, Who cares what the very small minority think?

The point is, don't say that "OMG SO MANY PPLZ HATE THIS GAMESZ". When its actually very very very few people who have gripes.

This was an excellent game. It stayed true to its RPG roots while making combat more fun. It also whittled away the clunky and frivolous inventory system.

You are an idiot.
Reviews do not equal a majority viewpoint.
They equal the majority of reviewers viewpoint, which are often but not always biased.
In order to get a majority minority ESTIMATE you would have to do a poll, dumb ass.
Now, the way you perform the poll will also affect your ability to interpret your results, moron.

For example, conducting a simple poll right here will only tell you the majority opinion of the game by douche bags, not the majority opinion of the game from everyone who bought it.

All in all, it doesn't matter. BioWare made their decision and they made their money. They aren't going out of business and if we don't like the game we have to develop our own, or hope someone comes along and makes a better RPG shooter set in space.

Other than that it is sol.

[gatorgod]

kiyyto wrote...

NorseDude wrote...

I'm getting really tired of telling people this, but Mass Effect 2 DOES have an inventory. It DOES have upgrades. It DOES have all the RPG bits from the first one. What it doesn't have is a huge inventory full of crap, handing you money just for the sake of making you feel rich and skills you never use. You want inventory? Go to the Normandy and research new stuff. Want upgrades? Research it. Want skills? You have far less than in the last game, but that simply means you don't have 10 ranks in medikits or hacking. This time you have only four ranks in the few skills you have, but they are far more important. No, you don't have Unity or Healing, but the Unity is a common skill that uses medikits. And just so you know, you can research it so it gets better, too. You don't have a hacking skill, but everyone can hack. And yep, you can do some research to improve it, if you want to.

And the list goes on. All in all, ME2 has everything ME1 had, but it's cleverly disguised and not as obvious and tedious. We really need a big sticky, or a NPC telling you this in-game.

You are getting tired?
Then stop, because you are dead wrong.
In the sense of Mass Effect vs Mass Effect 2, ME2 was gutted. EVERYONE knows this, read the reviews. Some people prefer the new some the old, but there is no question that ME2 < ME when it comes to the RPG elements.

not nessisarily, more like changed than less.
most everything is still there,some of it is just done differently
if you dont like the new way that its done than you are perfectly entitled to that oppinion
but to claim that it is just gone is plain shortsided stubbornness
dont let naustalga cloud you jugement, look at it objectivly

[EricHVela]

Elithranduil wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

NOTE: THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ON ME2. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, DO NOT FILL YOUR TIME WITH TRYING TO PROVE ME WRONG, IT WON'T WORK AND IT BECOMES A FLAME WAR.

 I showed up to a gamestop at midnight expecting to get the greatest sequel since sliced bread and instead I ended up bringing a game home that easily made me feel insulted and a little stupid. Die hard ME fans may disagree out loud, but what I am about to say will make sense, whether you want to admit it or not....

ME2 has become a moron-friendly action game. What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking, has now become campaign mode on Gears of War. The leveling system is a joke and why they even bothered keeping an exp system is beyond me. They had cut so many RPG elements that I seriously believed that buying your skills along with your upgrades would have been a better idea. Not to mention the lack of an inventory, (which might I add, is the first thing I looked for when I could go to the pause menu) and the fact that I get a mission complete should not require a screen to show it like I was playing Devil May Cry. It makes me feel like a hand is guiding you through the game and all you have to do is fire a gun and decide what a good guy or bad guy would say.

I always complained about games and their developers allowing their games to get shot to hell because most of the world wants simple caveman "beat em up and reach the finish line" formats, but not Bioware. Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, all gems in gaming history. (Dont take my word for it, I am sure most have read a game informer or been to Gamespot/IGN) Hell, I gave up on Square-Enix before I gave up on Bioware, and in the end, ME2 is just another Halo. 

AN EXPLAINATION OF "CRITICAL THINKING" IN ME
Perhaps this is just my problem, but I do not exploit a game. Hell, I never even exploited the doctor/credit glitch I have heard so much about. So when using my engineer on insanity mode, I used abilities when I could alongside my pistol. The AI for your partners are so stupid that most of the time it is them that are the ones getting killed. I did not send my partners on a Kamikaze mission so that I could get the kill shot. Everyone stayed covered and safe. It took time to find out immunities and weaknesses as well as vantage points for good shots. I did not take my level 60 Soldier into the fray with Spectre Weapons and Collossus Armor. That in fact lowered the difficulty once again. Playing at the hardest difficulty on ME is harder than ME2 on the hardest difficulty.

The only true thing that happens when it comes to difficult in ME2 is that enemies simply focus fire on you 100% of the time. End of story. This is my take on which is more mentally straining. I lose health in ME, I am sh_t out of luck if I eventually run out of Medigel. In ME2, I just wait two seconds and I am a new man.

QFT. I still play ME2. But QFT. Welcome to the future of gaming!

No no. This is not the future of gaming. This is the history of EA. This is how they've treated many of their acquisitions. Instead of "Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!", it'll be "Remember Origin! Remember Bioware!" That's the future of gaming.

[AlanC9]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...
No, what it means is that a LARGE MAJORITY of the people playing and reviewing the game think its EXCELLENT. What that means, is that a very small minority don't like whats going on, and to be frank, Who cares what the very small minority think?

The point is, don't say that "OMG SO MANY PPLZ HATE THIS GAMESZ". When its actually very very very few people who have gripes.

This was an excellent game. It stayed true to its RPG roots while making combat more fun. It also whittled away the clunky and frivolous inventory system.

I know we had a math disagreement a couple of days back, but this is an excellent post.

[kiyyto]

[/quote]

lol did he seriouly use the fact that me1 was worse than me2 to prove that it is better[/quote]

lol he did make a thread calling everyone a moron and then demanded that nobody argue with him because he was entitled to his opinion and if anyone didn't like it they would get flamed


[/quote]

lol, is that true?
I didn't actually read 99% of this post, really, he did?

[EricHVela]

I want stats and analysis on these numbers. plz kthzbai

[gatorgod]

kiyyto wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

"@ Ibby1kanobi - Reviews dont mean a thing to anyone. A game is only as good as you think it is, not what a pie chart says. Dont be a lemming."

No, what it means is that a LARGE MAJORITY of the people playing and reviewing the game think its EXCELLENT. What that means, is that a very small minority don't like whats going on, and to be frank, Who cares what the very small minority think?

The point is, don't say that "OMG SO MANY PPLZ HATE THIS GAMESZ". When its actually very very very few people who have gripes.

This was an excellent game. It stayed true to its RPG roots while making combat more fun. It also whittled away the clunky and frivolous inventory system.

You are an idiot.
Reviews do not equal a majority viewpoint.
They equal the majority of reviewers viewpoint, which are often but not always biased.
In order to get a majority minority ESTIMATE you would have to do a poll, dumb ass.
Now, the way you perform the poll will also affect your ability to interpret your results, moron.

For example, conducting a simple poll right here will only tell you the majority opinion of the game by douche bags, not the majority opinion of the game from everyone who bought it.

All in all, it doesn't matter. BioWare made their decision and they made their money. They aren't going out of business and if we don't like the game we have to develop our own, or hope someone comes along and makes a better RPG shooter set in space.

Other than that it is sol.

everything is bias
that means both u and me 2
and besides define majority
people who care?
people who own the game?
everyone on the world?
anyway stop being so self absorbed and come up with some constructive critisim

Modifié par gatorgod, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:45 .

[gatorgod]

No no. This is not the future of gaming. This is the history of EA. This is how they've treated many of their acquisitions. Instead of "Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!", it'll be "Remember Origin! Remember Bioware!" That's the future of gaming.
[/quote]

lol to true
ea does seem to corrupt everything they get thier hands on

[jegillan]

kiyyto wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

"@ Ibby1kanobi - Reviews dont mean a thing to anyone. A game is only as good as you think it is, not what a pie chart says. Dont be a lemming."

No, what it means is that a LARGE MAJORITY of the people playing and reviewing the game think its EXCELLENT. What that means, is that a very small minority don't like whats going on, and to be frank, Who cares what the very small minority think?

The point is, don't say that "OMG SO MANY PPLZ HATE THIS GAMESZ". When its actually very very very few people who have gripes.

This was an excellent game. It stayed true to its RPG roots while making combat more fun. It also whittled away the clunky and frivolous inventory system.

You are an idiot.
Reviews do not equal a majority viewpoint.
They equal the majority of reviewers viewpoint, which are often but not always biased.
In order to get a majority minority ESTIMATE you would have to do a poll, dumb ass.
Now, the way you perform the poll will also affect your ability to interpret your results, moron.

For example, conducting a simple poll right here will only tell you the majority opinion of the game by douche bags, not the majority opinion of the game from everyone who bought it.

All in all, it doesn't matter. BioWare made their decision and they made their money. They aren't going out of business and if we don't like the game we have to develop our own, or hope someone comes along and makes a better RPG shooter set in space.

Other than that it is sol.

Actually, reviews generally reflect overall perceptions of a game as a whole.  I find it hard to believe that a game that EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER praised as amazing is as terrible as so many (or, to be more precise, so few) of you make it out to be.  I will personally PayPal you $100 if you do a study and a majority of people who bought Mass Effect dislike it.  Not even a large majority, just over 50%.  Everyone here can be my witness, and if it was possible to make this legally binding I would allow it.

Now, we all know such a task is unreasonable and couldn't possibly be unbiased, but the truth behind the statement stands.  Anyone who outright hates this game because it is too "dumb" is a fool.  The story is fantastic, the characters are awesome, visually and mechanically it is incredible, the combat is vastly improved, and it sets up for number 3 perfectly.  This game was never intended to be Dragon Age in space, and it does what it was INTENDED to do perfectly.  This is the ultimate cinematic game experience, and I don't foresee that  changing until ME3 hits stores.

[gatorgod]

jegillan wrote...

Actually, reviews generally reflect overall perceptions of a game as a whole.  I find it hard to believe that a game that EVERY SINGLE REVIEWER praised as amazing is as terrible as so many (or, to be more precise, so few) of you make it out to be.  I will personally PayPal you $100 if you do a study and a majority of people who bought Mass Effect dislike it.  Not even a large majority, just over 50%.  Everyone here can be my witness, and if it was possible to make this legally binding I would allow it.

Now, we all know such a task is unreasonable and couldn't possibly be unbiased, but the truth behind the statement stands.  Anyone who outright hates this game because it is too "dumb" is a fool.  The story is fantastic, the characters are awesome, visually and mechanically it is incredible, the combat is vastly improved, and it sets up for number 3 perfectly.  This game was never intended to be Dragon Age in space, and it does what it was INTENDED to do perfectly.  This is the ultimate cinematic game experience, and I don't foresee that  changing until ME3 hits stores.

if only someone had said this at the begining of the thread
its the plain truth

[Zigaroma]

llinsane1ll wrote...

Lol, when did ME1 ever require strategic and critical thinking? Lol...
You ****ing people need to stop making threads and ****ing about it
If you don't like it, gtfo, trade in ME2, and don't buy ME3 so you don't come in here again to complain

QFT

The party AI is so much better in this game I actually get to use strategy and actually use their powers instead of doing it on my own. ME 1 all I did was fix my gun to not overheat and run in shooting, didn't even need powers!

Go back to ME 1 and DON'T BUY ME3!!

I understand this is your view and I'm sorry you don't enjoy this game but the people who compare this to GRAW or COD or GoW must not play many shooters because this isn't like them really at all.

[gatorgod]

Zigaroma wrote...
I understand this is your view and I'm sorry you don't enjoy this game but the people who compare this to GRAW or COD or GoW must not play many shooters because this isn't like them really at all.

ye compairing me2 to cod is like compairing dragonage to oblivion
they dont play, feel, or look remotly the same and to claim that they are the same is simply ignorance

[DKnightPortela]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Elithranduil wrote...

Riot Ring wrote...

NOTE: THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ON ME2. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, DO NOT FILL YOUR TIME WITH TRYING TO PROVE ME WRONG, IT WON'T WORK AND IT BECOMES A FLAME WAR.

 I showed up to a gamestop at midnight expecting to get the greatest sequel since sliced bread and instead I ended up bringing a game home that easily made me feel insulted and a little stupid. Die hard ME fans may disagree out loud, but what I am about to say will make sense, whether you want to admit it or not....

ME2 has become a moron-friendly action game. What was once a game that required strategic and critical thinking, has now become campaign mode on Gears of War. The leveling system is a joke and why they even bothered keeping an exp system is beyond me. They had cut so many RPG elements that I seriously believed that buying your skills along with your upgrades would have been a better idea. Not to mention the lack of an inventory, (which might I add, is the first thing I looked for when I could go to the pause menu) and the fact that I get a mission complete should not require a screen to show it like I was playing Devil May Cry. It makes me feel like a hand is guiding you through the game and all you have to do is fire a gun and decide what a good guy or bad guy would say.

I always complained about games and their developers allowing their games to get shot to hell because most of the world wants simple caveman "beat em up and reach the finish line" formats, but not Bioware. Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, all gems in gaming history. (Dont take my word for it, I am sure most have read a game informer or been to Gamespot/IGN) Hell, I gave up on Square-Enix before I gave up on Bioware, and in the end, ME2 is just another Halo. 

AN EXPLAINATION OF "CRITICAL THINKING" IN ME
Perhaps this is just my problem, but I do not exploit a game. Hell, I never even exploited the doctor/credit glitch I have heard so much about. So when using my engineer on insanity mode, I used abilities when I could alongside my pistol. The AI for your partners are so stupid that most of the time it is them that are the ones getting killed. I did not send my partners on a Kamikaze mission so that I could get the kill shot. Everyone stayed covered and safe. It took time to find out immunities and weaknesses as well as vantage points for good shots. I did not take my level 60 Soldier into the fray with Spectre Weapons and Collossus Armor. That in fact lowered the difficulty once again. Playing at the hardest difficulty on ME is harder than ME2 on the hardest difficulty.

The only true thing that happens when it comes to difficult in ME2 is that enemies simply focus fire on you 100% of the time. End of story. This is my take on which is more mentally straining. I lose health in ME, I am sh_t out of luck if I eventually run out of Medigel. In ME2, I just wait two seconds and I am a new man.

QFT. I still play ME2. But QFT. Welcome to the future of gaming!

No no. This is not the future of gaming. This is the history of EA. This is how they've treated many of their acquisitions. Instead of "Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!", it'll be "Remember Origin! Remember Bioware!" That's the future of gaming.

Oh finally someone from the old days that remembers what EA did to origin as their path of world gaming domination.  Hello brother fan of space operas of old.

[Dieover]

The OP no doubt playing on "very easy" and brag about insanity on the forum to prove his point that contain so many flaw and naiveness.

Here is a question for ya OP? since when was ME1 ever consider strategic? You kill enemies with unlimited ammo and worst at long range like this.


That's me playing an Infiltrator


in ME2 i need to conserve my bullet and the game actually require me to think ahead on which skill to use and looking for weakness in mob and excecute a skill that does the big hurt.

Modifié par Dieover, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:27 .

[Uncle_Boog]

I am going to say this before i even finish reading your original post ME2 for all the faults it may have is nothing like Halo, Halo sucks out loud period. I can not stand people comparing good games to Halo. Halo is by far the worst story/gameplay of any FPS/shooter I have ever played and that is saying something. That being said I know that your opinion matters to you and mine to me but as you have said if you have read an Xbox magazine/Game Informer or pretty much anything online that talks about Mass Effect 2 you would have known that the inventory was gone well before the game came out and you would not have wasted your time complaining about this fine game. Again thought I admit there are a few faults with the game but it is far better than Halo or even Gears of War (which is not any better than Halo in my opinion except that GoW has more and a better story than Halo). I know you're probably going to ignore this posting but I am getting sick of the unfair comparison to a B.S. game.