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[WoodWizzard87]

They should have had a little two minute mission where you land fight a few mercenaries and then Joker hails you about the attack and you fly back into space. Then.. it goes into joker trying to save the skip and get the collectors off of it. Would have made so much more sense putting the communication between Sheppard and joker in there for sure.

[DanXan]

Apparently you can go on a mission, except who is going to leave a mission undone? I mean, seriously...

[Shephard-0A]

LucidStrike wrote...

Only the Collectors had attacked before...with the
same ship no less. It was stupid not to dock the ship somewhere.

Also, what the hell mission did the squad go on? Shopping for groceries?

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Nah, Shepard probably didn't want to be on the Normandy to get killed the same way the second time around

[Rapamaha1]

I also had abit stupid feeling when shepard decided to put geth of all places....to AI core....

[Obadiah]

Satanic Hamster wrote...

So let me get this straight:
I find a Geth.  Take it on board.  And of ALL the rooms to store it in, I put it in the computer core room?

And then I take the ship offline to install alien technology.  So I go on a mission with EVERYONE packed into a tiny shuttle for no reason (and there's not even a mission), leaving the ship parked in the middle of no where?  Why didn't I do this in, say, Citadel space? 

Surberus wrote...

Haha, I just played this part this morning and was all 'WTF? Shepard?!' Thankfully things righted themselves.

Wintermist wrote...

Hehe yeah, this is how I reacted as well. Very careless.

Check out Joker's response after you save him. In complete agreement. Duh!

[Cutlass Jack]

Putting Legion in the AI room had to be the most rediculous lack of judement I've ever seen. To the point of nearly ruining the story. Heck even taking him to begin with made little sense. It's not like I stopped to pick up any of the other thousands of geth bodies I've left on the ground in the past.

[Crimson Shame]

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...


"Reaver One, This is Reaver Two, come in Reaver One"

"Reaver One here, go ahead Reaver Two"

"So I was thinking the other millenia. Remember when Reaver Three went down a few million years ago?"

"Yeah, what about it?"

"Did you happen to grab his IFF?"

"No"

"FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!"

More like

"Sovereign, this is the Habinger of your Irritation, Come in, Sovereign."

"Harbinger, you will speak because I allow it and you will shut your face because I demand it."

"Sovereign,  know the death of Imperator, struck down by the Vorlons of the Seventheen Reaping?"

"Imperator fell like the spires of Feros."

"Nay, he was the vanguard of imminent failure. He shall not be replaced."

"Speak, Harbinger. My duties are legion."

"What did you do with the Omega-4 Mass Relay key he had upon his person? Do you still posess it or did pass it onto another of our Brethren so that they may pass through to the heart of our Galactic operations?"

*something like the silence of dark space is heard, only awkward* "........what?"

Awesome post!  Much applause.

[Gill Kaiser]

Imperator is a pretty good name for a Reaper, kudos.

[Vagula]

There really should have been some kind of a mission because at least then you wouldn't have immidiately known what is going to happen.

[Souai]

I physically facepalmed when the crew boarded the shuttle for the mysterious fade to black never mentioned again mission of such importance that it required my full ground crew.



It needed to be clearer that the whole ground team comes on the shuttle normally, that there was a real reason for bringing everyone at once, and there needed to be a real mission, meeting, or something that was played through until the emergency. All they had to do was have a clear goal that required everyone, and to be far enough away to not make it back in time before Joker finishes his deal.



The lack of detail broke the narrative and risked ruining the lead just before the ending.

[Moogliepie]

Yeah, and he was trusted way to quick if you decide to let him join. I mean, I guess you could have chosen not to accept him, but who would want that? They needed to put him in earlier in the game, perhaps on Tali's mission, so you can get some interrogation in before you decide to trust him.

[Nigawatts]

Sad part is, I don't even think they left the ship >.>



The entire squad just hid in that freaking Shuttle until the entire crew was gone and all the Collectors were shot out of the airlocks...then had the nerve to say "WTF JOKER!?!?!?!" like it was all his fault.

[ere5234]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Putting Legion in the AI room had to be the most rediculous lack of judement I've ever seen. To the point of nearly ruining the story. Heck even taking him to begin with made little sense. It's not like I stopped to pick up any of the other thousands of geth bodies I've left on the ground in the past.

How about putting a known assassin in Life Support? If he goes mental there is no life left to support, because when you destroy the life support.....

- And more broader, writers confusion continues abroad

How about walking with with a cerberus frigate straight though C-Sec (Cerberus are wanted terrorists!) and this happens before you get your specte status back (if at all) - Also fun, approaching the Migrant Fleet with a Cerberus ship - Landing on Illum with a cerberus ship... good thing they don't have any security details and people who shoot first before asking questions ,p

How is this, in all the Quarian fleet there isn't a crack troop of elite anti-geth guys that can wipe the floor with any geth in the fleet? So they just let a research ship fly.. with their fleet! around because 40 geth are on board? 40! - theres what, 3 million quarians? One of em must have the skill to aim a gun! But maybe not.. see below

How about the Mech on the plaza at the beginning wiping out 7+ quarian spec-ops with the best equipment quarians have. What do you do when you see a mech, run in front of him and wait till he stomps, kills, shoots and burns you? Its not like those things can sneak up on you or anything...

But the best and most flawed planet is the Krogan Homeworld. 3 billion krogans? Yeah... right, you see how big they are? They eat 4 times as much as the average human. Did you see any farms, rivers or trees? And what is the food source for the tresher maws? Given their size they alone would eat any living thing in existence.

To feed them with ships you need about 600 full freighter shipments, a day. You didn't see a massive supply fleet in orbit did you? Or a place for them to land in the first place.

Well indeed, theres so many things where the writers were mentally confused. But you only start to notice that on your 3rd playthrough ;p  But yes, Geth in AI Core and how the transition to the sucide mission was handled were about the most innane things of all.

So we got ancient reaper tech ready to be installed... lets all leave ship for a beach party!

[SnowHeart1]

In an overall well-written game, this was a moment of bad writing. It set the stage for a fun sequence (Joker "**** **** ****"), but was incredibly contrived. EDI had mentioned she wanted to test the IFF with the shuttle, but the "load up the whole squad"-thing was... well... yeah, Shepard went the stupid.



Still, it was a small detail and I got over it.

[thepaladin1]

legion is in your AI core sexing your AI

[smudboy]

Because the plot needed a plot device, and the writer provided one.

[Dellingr]

Schneidend wrote...

EDI can't affect the Normandy's systems personally. That's why Joker has to connect her directly to the Normandy for her to save the ship. The danger in Legion is that he could hack the ship from ANYWHERE. Where you put him on the ship doesn't even matter.

Yeah, I figure if it can remotely access the larger geth network (on the other side of the Perseus Veil) with just the platform's onboard hardware (although EDI needed to lower some of the ship's firewalls first, so maybe there was piggybacking going on), then it definitely has the wireless networking range/transmitting power to attempt to access the AI core from anywhere on the ship, plus her systems core was the only place EDI (at that point) could do stuff like erect barriers and probably the place she has the best control of the firewalls and other electronic security

agrue wrote...

packardbell wrote...

Because there was no reason to expect an attack

No,
there was every reason to expect an attack. What part of "these guys
have set traps for me before" + "I'm getting off my frankly
magnificient spaceship and waiting in the shuttle with my entire
squad" + "I'm letting a sentient AI activate stolen alien
communications technology" does not scream "THIS IS A TRAP" to you?

yeah, but there was no reason to think that the IFF was a collector trap, there was an established Cerberus research facility aboard the wreckage-which had
gone silent but when you got there you discovered that this was due to
the Reaper turning everyone into husks, not due to the collectors

in
fact I don't think the IFF was an intentional trap at all, I think that
what disabled the Ship and signalled the collectors was some spark of
the reaper's consciousness that was part of the IFF, you saw on that
mission that it was still partially conscious/aware despite being
dead/catastrophically damaged, I figure it's entirely in keeping with
how reapers have been portrayed thus far that even a tiny component can
try to kill you.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]
having been "woken up" by the flow of power from Normandy's systems and
then uploading/creating a virus in order to get control of the ship and
broadcast on a sort of universal reaper communication frequency, which
the collectors would naturally be able to pick up and head to the area,
that or it's just an automated thing that reaper pieces do if they're
plugged into non-reaper ships.

so yeah, maybe Shep should have suspected that even a little bit of a reaper can try to kill you, but there was no indication of a trap like the one the ship presented earlier

HK74 wrote...

DanXan wrote...

I also
wondered about the IFF you get. It's supposedly from a 30-something
MILLION year old reaver. Wouldn't their technology have changed a
little since then? Like different codes for the IFF and such? Just
sayin'...

If we know one thing about Reapers
it's that they are really lazy about updating their passwords. Security
in general seems to be a real weak point. I hope that the next game
does not pit us against the tech-support Reaper because that guy is
going to be so very, very p*ssed-off.

well,
they regard themselves as apex predators-top of the food chain,
like.... sharks haven't changed all that much in millions of years,
they're adapted so well for their ecological niche that evolution can't
really improve on them much. By a similar token, why would the reapers
see any need to change or adapt-the way they are and their methods of
doing things are so perfectly suited to what they want out of
life-besides which "those squishy little biomass-sources would never be
smart enough to work out how to use any of our technology, would they?
they're too insignificant to ever be a threat"

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Putting Legion in the AI room had
to be the most rediculous lack of judement I've ever seen. To the point
of nearly ruining the story. Heck even taking him to begin with made
little sense. It's not like I stopped to pick up any of the other
thousands of geth bodies I've left on the ground in the past.

none
of the other geth bodies had talked (and known your name), none of them
had been in opposition to the husks or had helped you, and none of them
had been wearing pieces of your armour

all good reasons to investigate further

smudboy wrote...

Because the plot needed a plot device, and the writer provided one.

ultimately, yeah [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

[OH-UP-THIS!]

DanXan wrote...

Satanic Hamster wrote...

So let me get this straight:
I find a Geth.  Take it on board.  And of ALL the rooms to store it in, I put it in the computer core room?

And then I take the ship offline to install alien technology.  So I go on a mission with EVERYONE packed into a tiny shuttle for no reason (and there's not even a mission), leaving the ship parked in the middle of no where?  Why didn't I do this in, say, Citadel space?  

I wondered the exact same thing... I'd have put the Geth in the observation room, wouldn't have been installing Reaver tech in the middle of nowhere all by myself, and certainly wouldn't have taken the entire team out all at once...

I also wondered about the IFF you get. It's supposedly from a 30-something MILLION year old reaver. Wouldn't their technology have changed a little since then? Like different codes for the IFF and such? Just sayin'...

Could you please tell me if your KEYBOARD, does NOT have, the letter "P" on it?
Because a reaVer........what ever the hell that is!!!! does not make any sense!

[Looper128]

Satanic Hamster wrote...

So let me get this straight:
I find a Geth.  Take it on board.  And of ALL the rooms to store it in, I put it in the computer core room?

And then I take the ship offline to install alien technology.  So I go on a mission with EVERYONE packed into a tiny shuttle for no reason (and there's not even a mission), leaving the ship parked in the middle of no where?  Why didn't I do this in, say, Citadel space?  

TIMING!

[KrazyKomrade]

[quote]Dellingr wrote...

[quote]HK74 wrote...

[quote]DanXan wrote...

I also
wondered about the IFF you get. It's supposedly from a 30-something
MILLION year old reaver. Wouldn't their technology have changed a
little since then? Like different codes for the IFF and such? Just
sayin'...

[/quote]

If we know one thing about Reapers
it's that they are really lazy about updating their passwords. Security
in general seems to be a real weak point. I hope that the next game
does not pit us against the tech-support Reaper because that guy is
going to be so very, very p*ssed-off.

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[/quote]

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The reapers are so badass they're using windows as their main OS, and patching the IFF's might cause a system crash. And we all know what a disaster that could be.

Modifié par KrazyKomrade, 12 février 2010 - 03:13 .