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[Sphaerus]

sarahrp wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Charismatic villain? What is this "Twilight"? I like things the way they are. The Reapers are cold, brutal, and can't be reasoned with.

Besides, people seem to forget this is a trilogy. Saren was/is the main villain, along with the Reapers. The second game is happening because of things he set in motion.

This is a different game but it's the same story. We don't need a "main villain" to trade verbal barbs with every game.

Having said that, it's sort of obvious at some point The Illusive Man will become a "villain".

No No u don't have to kill him in the first game, and the illusive man sucks. The shadow broker is much more interresting.

WHY?

Why do we need some chode villain standing atop some hill, spouting one-liners at us while we untie women from railroad tracks and save babies from being tied to bombs?  Not every story needs a relatable antagonist.  I mean Hell, some of the greatest stories of great trials in history did NOT have clear, approachable atagonists.  The Oddessy, the Book of Job, and, just to go back to it, pretty much EVERY great epic of "humans getting screwed over" in the ancient Greek tradition.

A "personified" villain is a modern construction because it is easier to understand, easier to deconstruct, and a much more simple plot tool than an opponent which is more a malevolent, inexorable force than a conscious threat.  I like that Saren was only a puppet, I like that the reapers do not have beneficiaries, they only have tools.  Our enemies are not the reapers' tools, they are the reapers themselves, and they are so beyond us that there is no fathoming their will, power or means.

It is better from a purely literary standpoint.

[sarahrp]

Sphaerus wrote...

sarahrp wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Charismatic villain? What is this "Twilight"? I like things the way they are. The Reapers are cold, brutal, and can't be reasoned with.

Besides, people seem to forget this is a trilogy. Saren was/is the main villain, along with the Reapers. The second game is happening because of things he set in motion.

This is a different game but it's the same story. We don't need a "main villain" to trade verbal barbs with every game.

Having said that, it's sort of obvious at some point The Illusive Man will become a "villain".

No No u don't have to kill him in the first game, and the illusive man sucks. The shadow broker is much more interresting.

WHY?

Why do we need some chode villain standing atop some hill, spouting one-liners at us while we untie women from railroad tracks and save babies from being tied to bombs?  Not every story needs a relatable antagonist.  I mean Hell, some of the greatest stories of great trials in history did NOT have clear, approachable atagonists.  The Oddessy, the Book of Job, and, just to go back to it, pretty much EVERY great epic of "humans getting screwed over" in the ancient Greek tradition.

A "personified" villain is a modern construction because it is easier to understand, easier to deconstruct, and a much more simple plot tool than an opponent which is more a malevolent, inexorable force than a conscious threat.  I like that Saren was only a puppet, I like that the reapers do not have beneficiaries, they only have tools.  Our enemies are not the reapers' tools, they are the reapers themselves, and they are so beyond us that there is no fathoming their will, power or means.

It is better from a purely literary standpoint.

Are you kidding me?

So we can have villains that are puppets, (which is a great idea by the way), but have a protagonist who is a complete bad***. The reapers have been destroying gallactic space for millions of years, and not once there was another shepard. Give me a break. Arguably the greatest villain of all time(Darth Vader) was a puppet and he was in every movie.

[sarahrp]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

We aren't going to have any more baddies like we saw with Saren.

We're fighting the ME equivalent to Cthulhu.

I prefer the strange gods of cosmic terror rather than the bad mustachioed villain.

I'm not saying just give me saren, I'm saying give me all of them: Collectors, Saren, and the reapers, the game would have been longer. It was too short to me.

[Astranagant]

Are you implying that mollusks are not charismatic?

[Sphaerus]

sarahrp wrote...

Are you kidding me?

So we can have villains that are puppets, (which is a great idea by the way), but have a protagonist who is a complete bad***. The reapers have been destroying gallactic space for millions of years, and not once there was another shepard. Give me a break. Arguably the greatest villain of all time(Darth Vader) was a puppet and he was in every movie.

Vader...  Best villain of all time...

You best be trolling.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Star Wars is and was derivative, poorly-written schlock.  It was great in the stupid ages when people were easily impressed by flashlights and willing to ignore the story, but yeah...  No.  This is why American public schools need to focus on literature more than a momentary introduction to Shakespeare and Hank the Cow Dog.

[sarahrp]

Sphaerus wrote...

sarahrp wrote...

Are you kidding me?

So we can have villains that are puppets, (which is a great idea by the way), but have a protagonist who is a complete bad***. The reapers have been destroying gallactic space for millions of years, and not once there was another shepard. Give me a break. Arguably the greatest villain of all time(Darth Vader) was a puppet and he was in every movie.

Vader...  Best villain of all time...

You best be trolling.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Star Wars is and was derivative, poorly-written schlock.  It was great in the stupid ages when people were easily impressed by flashlights and willing to ignore the story, but yeah...  No.  This is why American public schools need to focus on literature more than a momentary introduction to Shakespeare and Hank the Cow Dog.

I said arguably not The best

And say what you will about Star Wars, but "Numbers Don't Lie"

it was and is a popular movie

It's just a discussion bro-ham Saren's dead I know this

[Dualcode]

Actually..i have the best Villian..CONRAD! I mean seriously, that guy basicly idolizes Shepard and in ME1 wants to become a Spectre, or rather wants Shepards Help in that. It wouldnt be that odd that he would indeed recieve some Training, or be kinda turned by the Reapers, in a similar fashion to Saren and becomes Shepards Nemesis. Of course that only counts if you pick the right choices so he doesnt go off and do something stupid to get himself killed. But seriously, imagine Conrad all of a sudden being Shepards Equal in Skill and everything, after probably everyone thought him to be a running gag o_O

[sarahrp]

Dualcode wrote...

Actually..i have the best Villian..CONRAD! I mean seriously, that guy basicly idolizes Shepard and in ME1 wants to become a Spectre, or rather wants Shepards Help in that. It wouldnt be that odd that he would indeed recieve some Training, or be kinda turned by the Reapers, in a similar fashion to Saren and becomes Shepards Nemesis. Of course that only counts if you pick the right choices so he doesnt go off and do something stupid to get himself killed. But seriously, imagine Conrad all of a sudden being Shepards Equal in Skill and everything, after probably everyone thought him to be a running gag o_O

It would be extremely hard for me to take him seriously lol!

[sarahrp]

sarahrp wrote...

Sphaerus wrote...

sarahrp wrote...

Are you kidding me?

So we can have villains that are puppets, (which is a great idea by the way), but have a protagonist who is a complete bad***. The reapers have been destroying gallactic space for millions of years, and not once there was another shepard. Give me a break. Arguably the greatest villain of all time(Darth Vader) was a puppet and he was in every movie.

Vader...  Best villain of all time...

You best be trolling.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Star Wars is and was derivative, poorly-written schlock.  It was great in the stupid ages when people were easily impressed by flashlights and willing to ignore the story, but yeah...  No.  This is why American public schools need to focus on literature more than a momentary introduction to Shakespeare and Hank the Cow Dog.

I said arguably not The best

And say what you will about Star Wars, but "Numbers Don't Lie"

it was and is a popular movie

It's just a discussion bro-ham Saren's dead I know this

Come to think of it, is this game modeled after that same movie. I'm not sure.

[Dualcode]

sarahrp wrote...

Dualcode wrote...

Actually..i have the best Villian..CONRAD! I mean seriously, that guy basicly idolizes Shepard and in ME1 wants to become a Spectre, or rather wants Shepards Help in that. It wouldnt be that odd that he would indeed recieve some Training, or be kinda turned by the Reapers, in a similar fashion to Saren and becomes Shepards Nemesis. Of course that only counts if you pick the right choices so he doesnt go off and do something stupid to get himself killed. But seriously, imagine Conrad all of a sudden being Shepards Equal in Skill and everything, after probably everyone thought him to be a running gag o_O

It would be extremely hard for me to take him seriously lol!

Well as said, thats what makes the Idea so interesting. He was really a running Gag, but he could be the greatest Nemesis of Shepard because, well he wants to be like Shepard, whatever it takes. Also the Reapers, especially Harbinger seemed to be very interested in Shepard, though we so far dont know the exact reason. So it wouldnt be so weird that they would create their own Shepard, a "Anti-Shepard" if you will, one that is equal and opposite to your own. And i would actually find it alot more interesting if they just picked Conrad for that job, instead of using some new character we never saw before.

So if they would ever really consider the Idea, Bioware that is, that would be my best choice. Because so far he was in two games (if you managed to get him through alive lol) and he's not being taken seriously at all in either. Most "Badass" Antagonists never were taken seriously at first, hell there's alot of stories were that little kid who no one liked and everyone thought wouldnt get anything together ends up being the worst Villian.

For example, if you hadnt known Anakin would become Darth Vader, would you have taken that little runt seriously at all? I wouldnt have to be honest So yeah, lets make Conrad get turned into Anti-Shepard by the Reapers!

[sarahrp]

Dualcode wrote...

sarahrp wrote...

Dualcode wrote...

Actually..i have the best Villian..CONRAD! I mean seriously, that guy basicly idolizes Shepard and in ME1 wants to become a Spectre, or rather wants Shepards Help in that. It wouldnt be that odd that he would indeed recieve some Training, or be kinda turned by the Reapers, in a similar fashion to Saren and becomes Shepards Nemesis. Of course that only counts if you pick the right choices so he doesnt go off and do something stupid to get himself killed. But seriously, imagine Conrad all of a sudden being Shepards Equal in Skill and everything, after probably everyone thought him to be a running gag o_O

It would be extremely hard for me to take him seriously lol!

Well as said, thats what makes the Idea so interesting. He was really a running Gag, but he could be the greatest Nemesis of Shepard because, well he wants to be like Shepard, whatever it takes. Also the Reapers, especially Harbinger seemed to be very interested in Shepard, though we so far dont know the exact reason. So it wouldnt be so weird that they would create their own Shepard, a "Anti-Shepard" if you will, one that is equal and opposite to your own. And i would actually find it alot more interesting if they just picked Conrad for that job, instead of using some new character we never saw before.

So if they would ever really consider the Idea, Bioware that is, that would be my best choice. Because so far he was in two games (if you managed to get him through alive lol) and he's not being taken seriously at all in either. Most "Badass" Antagonists never were taken seriously at first, hell there's alot of stories were that little kid who no one liked and everyone thought wouldnt get anything together ends up being the worst Villian.

For example, if you hadnt known Anakin would become Darth Vader, would you have taken that little runt seriously at all? I wouldnt have to be honest So yeah, lets make Conrad get turned into Anti-Shepard by the Reapers!

I think it would have to be someone you didn't have the choice to kill. I just don't think he could be as good as Saren. I think his villain story could only work as like a suicide mission. The reapers send him on a suicide mission to destroy shepard to be shepard, and he takes out an entire colony by accident.

[Subject 01]

sarahrp wrote...

Dualcode wrote...

sarahrp wrote...

Dualcode wrote...

Actually..i have the best Villian..CONRAD! I mean seriously, that guy basicly idolizes Shepard and in ME1 wants to become a Spectre, or rather wants Shepards Help in that. It wouldnt be that odd that he would indeed recieve some Training, or be kinda turned by the Reapers, in a similar fashion to Saren and becomes Shepards Nemesis. Of course that only counts if you pick the right choices so he doesnt go off and do something stupid to get himself killed. But seriously, imagine Conrad all of a sudden being Shepards Equal in Skill and everything, after probably everyone thought him to be a running gag o_O

It would be extremely hard for me to take him seriously lol!

Well as said, thats what makes the Idea so interesting. He was really a running Gag, but he could be the greatest Nemesis of Shepard because, well he wants to be like Shepard, whatever it takes. Also the Reapers, especially Harbinger seemed to be very interested in Shepard, though we so far dont know the exact reason. So it wouldnt be so weird that they would create their own Shepard, a "Anti-Shepard" if you will, one that is equal and opposite to your own. And i would actually find it alot more interesting if they just picked Conrad for that job, instead of using some new character we never saw before.

So if they would ever really consider the Idea, Bioware that is, that would be my best choice. Because so far he was in two games (if you managed to get him through alive lol) and he's not being taken seriously at all in either. Most "Badass" Antagonists never were taken seriously at first, hell there's alot of stories were that little kid who no one liked and everyone thought wouldnt get anything together ends up being the worst Villian.

For example, if you hadnt known Anakin would become Darth Vader, would you have taken that little runt seriously at all? I wouldnt have to be honest So yeah, lets make Conrad get turned into Anti-Shepard by the Reapers!

I think it would have to be someone you didn't have the choice to kill. I just don't think he could be as good as Saren. I think his villain story could only work as like a suicide mission. The reapers send him on a suicide mission to destroy shepard to be shepard, and he takes out an entire colony by accident.

Hmmm, perhaps they can add that scenario ingame.  Like they say: "You can always judge a man by the quality of his enemies."