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I don't get it Mass Effect 2 got over 10 perfect scores.

It's a great RPG stop bashing it.


okay lets look at that at a perspective, because you guys seem to be counting any old joe's review site as good enough.



Mass Effect 2 only got a 9 on Gamespot and from IGN it got a 9.6 which was 0.2 pts higher than the first.  

A game sequel like Uncharte 2 got a 9.5

Grand Theft Auto 4, and Metal Gear Solid 4 received perfect 10s from both Gamespot and IGN.

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Agree with the op..Fps fanboys that have never played a bioware game until now need to go back to COD or some other shooter..


So you're a Bioware fan, eh? Very interesting post coming from someone with a join date of January 26th. Sock puppet much?


Alan, I've been a member of the Bioware forums since Thanksgiving and before the original boards were archived I accumulated 500+ posts in a month. I don't need another acount to share my opinions. I guess you can't accept the fact that I'm not the only one that considers ME2 less of an RPG compared to its predecessor.

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I don't get why Mass Effect 2 being less rpg is something bad, unless you can't play anything else than rpgs. Infact, Mass Effect 2 is much more than usual games.


Well, for starters, Bioware is known for their RPGs, not shooters. Second:

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Many FPS fans played Mass
Effect since they watched the trailer they saw guns and said "ooooh,
exploshuns FTW". When they went through the gameplay which was so easy
for me to settle into for the fact it didn't FEEL like an FPS, they
complained and b****** until they got their way at the RPG fan's
expense. It's not enough they have countless games catered to their
tastes, they have to harm an RPG fan's experience.

FPS fans
were complaining about the combat, but all RPG purists I've spoken to
didn't find anything wrong with it. As I've said, not being a shooter
kind of guy, I was able to ease into the fights very comfortably. If
the FPS fans could have just been content with the story and the
simplicity of combat, we wouldn't be discussing this on Bioware's foums
in the first place. The gameplay in the first was only broke to FPS
fans, RPG fans were perfectly fine with it since we tend to focus much
more on the plot. Mass Effect was close to a perfect game. The fact
that it relied so heavily on plot is why RPG fans appreciate it so
much. But FPS fanboys had to **** it up for us. How many games do us
RPG fans get in 10 years like Mass Effect or Heavy Rain? Not many.
However FPS fans have COUNTLESS games that cater to their tastes
released every single year. That's not enough though is it? You
couldn't just let us have our game untouched. You had to ***** and
whine that since it had guns, it NEEDED to play like a FPS.




Q.F.T.

I tried explaining this on my own thread, It's not that ME2 isn't a good game, it's that it isn't the game alot of us who LOVED Mass Effect were expecting.  If it's not broke, why mess with it?

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To be fair, hardcore RPGer's got Dragon Age late last year. Bioware has always claimed that the Mass Effect series is something new. Get it? New. A Shooter/RPG hybrid. And as such it is absolutely fantastic. Stop being such a snob and enjoy the game for what it is.



And, for the record, I have played every Bioware game released in the last ten years and love them all. I just don't allow myself to be tied down to loving only one single rigid gametype. You guys need to learn to spice things up a bit.

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ME2 is done, and there's nothing that can be done to turn back the clock.  But if RPG gamers really want ME to return to it's role playing roots for ME3, then we are going to have to make some noise and voice our dislikes just as loudly and agressively as those who complained about ME1's gameplay mechanics. 

Maybe Bioware will listen to us, and hopefully not forget us next time.


QFT.

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Seriously the less then 5 min sidequest is why you think it has so many "ridiculous inconsistencies"?


that plus:
Mranda's lack of any vacuum gear?  (no that silly glass piece doesn't count)
thermal clips on a collector ship?
you use up thermal clips but not batteries?
Quarians dating humans!?

But we already have giant lizards running around using the force, so whatever.

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I have better things to do than complain about a game I find to be 99% awesome.

Gameplay must trump Story-making-sense. Sad but true.

I'm glad Bioware doesn't didn't and probably won't listen to the RPG nerds who whined about the first game. Because that's what they are: nerds. And what do nerds do: Nerdrage. Which is most of the sad complaints about this fantastic series.

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I have better things to do than complain about a game I find to be 99% awesome.


But clearly no better things to do than complain about someone else complaining.


Seriously, a bunch of vocal critics of the first Mass Effect apparently succeeded in screwing up what was a wonderful gaming experience for us RPG fans, and now that we're actually pushing back, you all throw a big old sulk.

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I'm glad Bioware doesn't didn't and probably won't listen to the RPG nerds who whined about the first game. Because that's what they are: nerds. And what do nerds do: Nerdrage. Which is most of the sad complaints about this fantastic series.


Dude, you're writing on a videogame forum at 1 in the a.m. on a Saturday Night.  Who is the nerd here, bud? BOTH OF US

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PilotJoe wrote...

Who is the nerd here, bud? BOTH OF US


Nice.

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Michale_Jackson wrote...

TopUSGun wrote...

I don't get it Mass Effect 2 got over 10 perfect scores.

It's a great RPG stop bashing it.


okay lets look at that at a perspective, because you guys seem to be counting any old joe's review site as good enough.



Mass Effect 2 only got a 9 on Gamespot and from IGN it got a 9.6 which was 0.2 pts higher than the first.  

A game sequel like Uncharte 2 got a 9.5

Grand Theft Auto 4, and Metal Gear Solid 4 received perfect 10s from both Gamespot and IGN.


IGN and gamespot aren't the best site for reviews either,but that's beside the point.

Metal gear solid 4 did receive 10's at IGN and gamespot,but no so much from many other site and it balanced out it's rating.GTA IV  is the highest rated game of all time,but it's obvious that reviewers got overhyped and greatly exagerated the merit of that game ( it's the summun of polish with a budget of 100 million).

The first Mass effect got 7 and 8 from many sites(gamespot gave the first one a 8.5 and the infamous Edge gave it a 7),while the sequel got 9 and + across the board.

Ok,just checked gamerankings and look at the top 10:

Zelda:ocarina of time
Gran theft auto 4 (PS3)
super mario galaxy
super mario world
Mass effect 2
GTA IV (xbox 360)
Metroid prime
Soul calibur (the biggest oddity in the top 10 since it was a superbly polished and original launch title for the dreamcast,but it didn't stand the test of time and Soul calibur 2 is a much better competitive fighting game)
orange box
Uncharted 2

Most of these are classic,so this is amazing for Mass effect 2 even being there.

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PilotJoe wrote...

Dude, you're writing on a videogame forum at 1 in the a.m. on a Saturday Night.  Who is the nerd here, bud? BOTH OF US


Being Devil's advocate, it may not be 1 AM where he is so I don't know how that's relevant with all due respect.

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PilotJoe wrote...

Dude, you're writing on a videogame forum at 1 in the a.m. on a Saturday Night.  Who is the nerd here, bud? BOTH OF US


Being Devil's advocate, it may not be 1 AM where he is so I don't know how that's relevant with all due respect.


Good point.  I guess I am the nerd.  But I'm also a nerd with a wallet who buys games, so to Bioware, my opinion in these proceedings is no less valid.

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Jack > you.

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PilotJoe wrote...

Vicious wrote...

I have better things to do than complain about a game I find to be 99% awesome.


But clearly no better things to do than complain about someone else complaining.


Seriously, a bunch of vocal critics of the first Mass Effect apparently succeeded in screwing up what was a wonderful gaming experience for us RPG fans, and now that we're actually pushing back, you all throw a big old sulk.


Man, the GAMEPLAY in Mass Effect 1 wasn't that spectacular.  It was decent.  Sticking to cover was a) unnecessary and B) difficult as hell.  Abilities were completely unbalanced and overpowered.  The actual shooting aspects were way too loose.  The inventory was a mess, and while I enjoyed being able to customize some of the stuff, all you ever used was Spectre weapons and one set of armor.  Sure, as far as skills go, you had more overall points to work with, but having 15 slots in an ability to give you the 10% increase in whatever isn't a whole helluva lot different than having 4.  It just looks "simple" in ME2.

The reason ME1 was so awesome was the story.  The setting.  The characters.  The potential for a trilogy of games where your actions MATTERED.  Technically speaking, the game was not impressive.  Texture loads, massive framerate issues, the aforementioned combat issues.  I played through the entirety of ME1 twice in the weeks leading up to the release of ME2.  The second game is VASTLY improved in nearly every respect.  The reviews and the majority opinions on these forums, despite the tantrums thrown by people like you, prove that.

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jegillan wrote...

PilotJoe wrote...

Vicious wrote...

I have better things to do than complain about a game I find to be 99% awesome.


But clearly no better things to do than complain about someone else complaining.


Seriously, a bunch of vocal critics of the first Mass Effect apparently succeeded in screwing up what was a wonderful gaming experience for us RPG fans, and now that we're actually pushing back, you all throw a big old sulk.


Man, the GAMEPLAY in Mass Effect 1 wasn't that spectacular.  It was decent.  Sticking to cover was a) unnecessary and B) difficult as hell.  Abilities were completely unbalanced and overpowered.  The actual shooting aspects were way too loose.  The inventory was a mess, and while I enjoyed being able to customize some of the stuff, all you ever used was Spectre weapons and one set of armor.  Sure, as far as skills go, you had more overall points to work with, but having 15 slots in an ability to give you the 10% increase in whatever isn't a whole helluva lot different than having 4.  It just looks "simple" in ME2.

The reason ME1 was so awesome was the story.  The setting.  The characters.  The potential for a trilogy of games where your actions MATTERED.  Technically speaking, the game was not impressive.  Texture loads, massive framerate issues, the aforementioned combat issues.  I played through the entirety of ME1 twice in the weeks leading up to the release of ME2.  The second game is VASTLY improved in nearly every respect.  The reviews and the majority opinions on these forums, despite the tantrums thrown by people like you, prove that.


Look, I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with the CONTENT of the game.  You and I both agree that Mass Effect is a fantastic universe, and an amazing story.

Our difference is in how each of us prefers to experience that story, that content.  You prefer the more action-oriented ME2.  I prefer the slow, ponderous role-playing, inventory, skills, etc. of Mass Effect 1.  I feel more immersed and involved when I can talk to everybody, learn all I can, interact, explore, etc.  It's just personal preference, but you seem to be interpreting my displeasure with the direction the design has gone as a general dislike of the whole package. Not so!

I just miss the great RPG experience the first game provided. 

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Jack > you.


bucket of tattoos and stupid  -  Jack = bucket

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SicherNicht wrote...

ranger614 wrote...

Jack > you.


bucket of tattoos and stupid  -  Jack = bucket


what if he is the bucket?

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I wouldn't complain if they improved the rpg elements for ME3, but I saw no problem with this game. It was highly entertaining and I thought the combat and class differentiation was much improved.

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I wouldn't complain if they improved the rpg elements for ME3, but I saw no problem with this game. It was highly entertaining and I thought the combat and class differentiation was much improved.


I'm not being snarky, I am seriously happy for you.  Really.  I think it's great that a Bioware game, one in the ME universe no less, is getting the praise and attention this one is.  It is a just reward to the men and women who work so hard to produce these games.  

As someone who loved every little last scrap about the first game, warts-and-all, I just wish they had been more considerate to the fact that there was alot of great ideas in ME1 that could have been built upon or improved, instead of completely removed.

There is no reason you and I can't both be happy.  You get your run-and-gun gameplay, I get my expansive, world-exploring sidequests, everyone wins.

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jegillan wrote...

PilotJoe wrote...

Vicious wrote...

I have better things to do than complain about a game I find to be 99% awesome.


But clearly no better things to do than complain about someone else complaining.


Seriously, a bunch of vocal critics of the first Mass Effect apparently succeeded in screwing up what was a wonderful gaming experience for us RPG fans, and now that we're actually pushing back, you all throw a big old sulk.


Man, the GAMEPLAY in Mass Effect 1 wasn't that spectacular.  It was decent.  Sticking to cover was a) unnecessary and B) difficult as hell.  Abilities were completely unbalanced and overpowered.  The actual shooting aspects were way too loose.  The inventory was a mess, and while I enjoyed being able to customize some of the stuff, all you ever used was Spectre weapons and one set of armor.  Sure, as far as skills go, you had more overall points to work with, but having 15 slots in an ability to give you the 10% increase in whatever isn't a whole helluva lot different than having 4.  It just looks "simple" in ME2.

The reason ME1 was so awesome was the story.  The setting.  The characters.  The potential for a trilogy of games where your actions MATTERED.  Technically speaking, the game was not impressive.  Texture loads, massive framerate issues, the aforementioned combat issues.  I played through the entirety of ME1 twice in the weeks leading up to the release of ME2.  The second game is VASTLY improved in nearly every respect.  The reviews and the majority opinions on these forums, despite the tantrums thrown by people like you, prove that.


see you found fauts in ME1 where I found it to be okay, rewarding, and strategic in my battles.  I found covering quite useful in ME1 and easy, all it took was walking up to a wall, crate, or box and either crouching or leaning toward it.

The inventory wasn't' a mess if you controlled the items you collected and converted them to omni-gel.  The inventory was quite organized.  You want to talk about a messy inventory, play Lost Odyssey and sift through an unorganized collection of components and rings, yeah that's a real RPG that I moved to after ME1.  The only improvements I'd make with ME1's inventory would be the sellers inventory, where you couldn't go backward in searching through your inventory to sell.

Are you sure the shooting aspect was loose? Where you shooting with a weapon that your Shepard or team mate was untrained with maybe?  I found shooting to be very on point and could be improved to be a good shot hit if you combine the right weapons, upgrade accessories and ammo.    I avoided most of those incedinary, prolon ammo rounds that either took away 20%+ accuracy or through in too much heat, the damage vs organic and damage vs synthetic ammo were among the best, along with those sledgehammer rounds VIII found later in the game.  There were a few other good ammos you could acquire in the game as well. 

The Spector weapons sold at C-Sec were some of the highest weapons in the game and most the real good armor were hidden in the game, you had to be filthy rich to purchase them, and I'd imageine most wouldn't have a hard time shooting once thye acquired them. There was plenty of different armor offering a range of protection from damage, shields, and tech protection, along with a variety of different armor accessories like the Medical Exoskeleton IX, Shields Modulator, stuff that made you feel like a big shot in a battle battling Geth. 

I seriously can't believe you guys who rag on ME1 found it to be difficult. 

That to me proves that ME1 really was more of an RPG than ME2, I enjoyed ME1, ME2 just feels like a different game than a sequel to ME1 to be honest.

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 Right, this game is 10 times better then Mass Effect 1, stop your whining and play it.

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I also want to add that I have the original Mass Effect, the Xbox 360 game. I would imagine a lot of people not being happy with Mass Effect on PC, I can't imagine how I would be able to easily maneuver controls on a keyboard with this game than the 360 controller.



I remember when Bioware was working on the port of ME to PC that they had revamped the HUD to accommodate the PC.

I actually found the original HUD to be quite easy to operate.

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Man, the GAMEPLAY in Mass Effect 1 wasn't that spectacular.


Not everybody plays for combat and 'SPLOSHUNS.

Some of us prefer the plot and character interactions and wouldn't give a damn if the combat was dropped all together.

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 Right, this game is 10 times better then Mass Effect 1, stop your whining and play it.


Why even respond to people having a rational conversation if you're going to resort to "Shut up, I'm right, LALALALALA"