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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 09:03

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bconk55 wrote...

And yet most of the complaints revolve around the dropping of a tacked on inventory system and exploring planets of recylced textures.

I love RPGs. I would love to see stronger RPG elements in ME2 (or, more realistically, ME3), but I do not mourn the cardboard RPG elements that were axed.

You can be condescending about the shooter part of the game all you want, but it was in the original, only it was subpar. Making the shooter portion of the game better has nothing to do with your complaint, and, frankly, I don't see any good RPG elements that were dropped. If you want an inventory full of items you'll never use, I guess that's your progative, but it doesn't add anything to the game experience for most people, even RPG fans. Now if it was an inventory full of useful and diverse items, that might be a different story.


Seems this is something we agree on. I don't feel like digging up the specific quote because it needs to be cited so often but in paraphrasing, Nozy said something along the lines of inventory and skills are roleplaying in the most shallow terms and I agree with him. Anybody with half a brain cell knows an RPG lives and dies by the plot and characters. In the orginal game the combat took a backseat to story, in the sequel, story took a backseat to combat.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 09:03

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SkullandBonesmember wrote...

bconk55 wrote...

It's funny that you would say Borderlands, because that has a more in-depth item, and arguably skill, system than ME1 had.


If you say so, but I'd bet money he was referring to the plot/character interaction. Borderlands is as much of an RPG as Fallout 3. <_<


His entire post is referencing inventory and skill trees and you think that that last sentence is specifically a reference to voice-acted quests? Don't get me wrong, the fact that there are "quests" is certainly an rpg element, but there is something to be said for context.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 09:09

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Every single thing about ME2 is better than the counterparts in ME1. Script, acting, resource management upgrades, customization, missions... everything. ME2 is a better game in every way, and everyone I know personally agrees. The exception to this is the the vocal minority of random folks on the internet who like to complain about mechanics that are better for the game in every possible way than what came before.



In short: ME2 > ME1... and not by a small margin.This is saying a lot, since everyone I know felt that ME1 is one of the best video games of all time.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 09:12

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As long as you can accept that plenty of long-standing Bio fans like ME2's combat, I have no problem accepting that some don't.


I can, but another thing I'd bet money on is you and I play video games for very different reasons. On the first Mass Effect forums I said in theory it's possible to successfully incorporate RPGs and shooters, but RPG FANS, the people like myself who play exclusively or place a priority for plot above combat/gameplay  and shooter FANS or shooter/RPG FANS who either play solely for combat or feel combat/gameplay is just as important as a well thought out story don't mesh well together.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 09:25

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AFossBioware wrote...

Every single thing about ME2 is better than the counterparts in ME1. Script, acting, resource management upgrades, customization, missions... everything. ME2 is a better game in every way, and everyone I know personally agrees. The exception to this is the the vocal minority of random folks on the internet who like to complain about mechanics that are better for the game in every possible way than what came before.

In short: ME2 > ME1... and not by a small margin.This is saying a lot, since everyone I know felt that ME1 is one of the best video games of all time.



Can someone please explain to me why people feel the need to marginalize an opinion if they don't agree with it?
a "vocal minority" of "random folks".  Why yes, I just stumbled in here due to dumb luck, and hey, while I'm here I think I'll try to ruin your day.  Seriously, I'm glad you like the game.  I don't, not nearly as much as the first, which must mean we liked completely different things in each game.   And I frankly don't care how many people you know who personally agree.  "In every possible way" Wow. How illuminating.  Are there any other vague generalities you'd care to throw in here?

In short, you add nothing to this conversation, and not by a small margin.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 09:26

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Vandrayke wrote...

Everyone I know who liked ME1 enjoys ME2 more

Only place I find people who don't like it are on these forums :o


This. And I know a LOT of people who liked ME1.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 09:26

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AFossBioware wrote...

Every single thing about ME2 is better than the counterparts in ME1. Script, acting, resource management upgrades, customization, missions... everything. ME2 is a better game in every way, and everyone I know personally agrees. The exception to this is the the vocal minority of random folks on the internet who like to complain about mechanics that are better for the game in every possible way than what came before.

In short: ME2 > ME1... and not by a small margin.This is saying a lot, since everyone I know felt that ME1 is one of the best video games of all time.


Kanye has spoken.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 02:04

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sw33ts wrote...

AFossBioware wrote...

Every single thing about ME2 is better than the counterparts in ME1. Script, acting, resource management upgrades, customization, missions... everything. ME2 is a better game in every way, and everyone I know personally agrees. The exception to this is the the vocal minority of random folks on the internet who like to complain about mechanics that are better for the game in every possible way than what came before.

In short: ME2 > ME1... and not by a small margin.This is saying a lot, since everyone I know felt that ME1 is one of the best video games of all time.


Kanye has spoken.


lulz :lol:

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 04:05

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I think ME1>ME2. ME2 is still a fun game but instead of improving on things in ME1 they just got rid of them entirely.

Mako exploration is fun but has issues, Biowares solution = lets get rid of it.

Inventory is good I can equip squadmates with armor, sell my old weapons or reduce to omnigel, but the UI has issues. Biowares solution = lets get rid of it.

Elevator loading screens are tedious but keeps players in the game, there is dialogue among squad and news reports. Biowares solution to the tedious elevator rides = getting rid of it in favor of more tedious generic loading screens.

Then the story wasn't as good as ME1. There is an hour and a half introduction to the story, then the hour long suicide mission at the end. The entire middle part of the game was finding people to join you then doing loyalty missions for them.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 04:15

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sinosleep wrote...

Wow, talk about someone who doesn't understand forum dynamics. Forums usually run counter to reality. Fact of the matter is people are more likely to go to a forum to complain about something than they are to praise it. It's just the way it is. It's the reason why on comic book forums New Avengers is regularly the most hated on comic even though it's gotten great reviews and has been the top selling comic consistently for FIVE years running selling 100k a month in an industry where 50k a month is healthy. It's the reason why when you go to a rap forum everyone hates Jay Z while going on about clowns that have been stuck underground or the last 10 years. I could go on and on and on about the just about any subject where when you step into a forum it's as if you've entered the twilight zone, up is down, the sky is green and grass is blue, etc, etc etc. Go to the warcraft forums and even though it's incomparably more successful than any mmo before or after it's release 90% of posts are complaints.

Not only that, but the sample size here is so absurdly small that it makes it even worse. There are what, 40 regular posters here? I mean seriously, click on every page on the front thread and tell me you don't consistently see the same names crop up over and over and over again. What you see on these, and practically all forums is an obscenely small but quite loud minority.

Opinions here mean practically nothing, what matters is the 96 on metacritic through TONS of aggregated review scores and the millions sold. The majority are clearly happy, even if that isn't apparant here.


same with the bungie forums.  Every post on those forums is basically people whining about the games.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 04:47

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Someone referenced GTA IV getting high scores earlier in the thread. To that, I only really have to say that the game still got bashed a lot. Both Mass Effect 2 and GTA IV have followed the trend of game releases, only to be bashed no matter how good they are.

It's the nature of forums, so I second what Sino said. Quoted just above this post.

In addition, you folks could have honestly just read previews covering the game and listened to interviews, to see what it was like before buying it.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 04:51

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Rabidrabbit, LOL Thank you man for the laugh! How true! I'm only here to ask for a game spoiler, (but I cant post in that forum for some reason), but otherwise I cant believe people dont think this game is fantastic! It just goes to show you can never please everyone all the time. I personally think this is BETTER than ME1, and certainly near the top of my all time favorites. So much hard work went into this game, and it shows, THANKS Bio for AWESOME GAMEImage IPB

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 05:08

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You know whats funny? My team has enough sense to duck when they're in my line of fire. In the open. With no enemies around. And I have two, count em, TWO buttons to bring up my map. THAT is funny.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 05:09

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Mass Effect 2 is amazing, the best game I have ever played. It puts the first game, and every other Bioware game to shame.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 05:12

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There's no point in arguing with sperglords who use "shooter" and "shooter fan" like a swear word. Seriously, you all sound like a bunch of bitter nerds who panic at the slightest change from a genre that honestly has been stagnating for years. I'm a huge fan of Bioware and their older RPG games. The Baldur's Gate series is my favorite game series of all time. However, I find games like Mass Effect and it's sequel to be extremely refreshing after suffering through countless roleplaying games that fall into the same old school mold.



If you want to play a turn based borefest then play yet another JRPG with the same tired cliches and plotlines.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 05:16

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Two Words: Vocal Minority

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 05:16

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Bioware has outdone themselves -- this game is Epic!(not in the overused, hyped sense)  I don't want to micromanage an inventory and stats -- I want to play the game and immerse myself in this brilliant story. 

I'm not quite sure why folks are complaining other than it's 'change' - but this game is why I liked RPG in the 1st play -- an expansive story that I truly feel like i'm in the Protaganist's role.

Kudos and I cannot wait for more!

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 05:16

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This thread and its starter are the reasons I cannot stand whiny, nerdy, 'get out of your mom's basement' fans......

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 05:18

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God... the OP has no idea how small of a minority of gamers this forum represents, and from Penny-Arcade forums to Gamespot forums... everyone is raving about this game. So I think he/she is BS'in about the other forums.



Hehe, and in in the polls on this forum alone (full of crazy people like me) ME2 always beats out ME1 by a LONGSHOT.



Plenty of people think story is better in ME2, gameplay is better in ME2, graphics are amazing, music is amazing, and the whole package is amazing.



Shame on you OP... FOR SSSHHHAAMMMEE...

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 06:49

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Wishpig wrote...

God... the OP has no idea how small of a minority of gamers this forum represents, and from Penny-Arcade forums to Gamespot forums... everyone is raving about this game. So I think he/she is BS'in about the other forums.

Hehe, and in in the polls on this forum alone (full of crazy people like me) ME2 always beats out ME1 by a LONGSHOT.

Plenty of people think story is better in ME2, gameplay is better in ME2, graphics are amazing, music is amazing, and the whole package is amazing.

Shame on you OP... FOR SSSHHHAAMMMEE...


Nerdy,hardcore rpg loving fan and newer fan who prefer action/gameplay over/just as much as the story do not mix all that well. :P It's obvious that there would be plenty of confrontation in the Bioware forum.

Doesn't matter,because I am happy that Mass effect 2 actually benefit from great gameplay.It's definitively an excellent third person shooter and there's still the Bioware magic behind it (dialogue,writing,etc).One of my biggest disappointment in the first game was the lack of bosses( I think we had 3),but that's beeen taken care of in ME 2 as well. :) 

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 06:53

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Why all the hate? "Nerds", etc. etc. Can we really not have different opinions on a game without the people who actually got the game they wanted being half-civil to those who didn't?



I can understand how those who are disappointed with the new design direction could be angry since they bought a game they thought was something else, but I really can't understand all the people who are happy with the game and feel the need to rage against those who aren't. If you love the game so much, go play it!

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 07:03

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PilotJoe wrote...

Why all the hate? "Nerds", etc. etc. Can we really not have different opinions on a game without the people who actually got the game they wanted being half-civil to those who didn't?

I can understand how those who are disappointed with the new design direction could be angry since they bought a game they thought was something else, but I really can't understand all the people who are happy with the game and feel the need to rage against those who aren't. If you love the game so much, go play it!


There is a HUGE diffrence between a helpfull critisicm and stupid critisicm. The op decided to do the latter.

This thread brings nothing new to the table and the OP thinks the people who don't like ME2 on this forum represent the vast majority. It's a combiniation of unproductive and stupid. That simple.

You want a GOOD negitive critsicm thread, check out the recently created the good, the bad, and the ugly. Brings nothing new to the table, but gives a nicely explained, well orgnized, and intelligent thread.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 07:05

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It's called a "vocal minority".

I loved the game, even if I have a few reservations about some design decisions it still surpassed my expectations in many ways.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 07:07

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Wishpig wrote...

PilotJoe wrote...

Why all the hate? "Nerds", etc. etc. Can we really not have different opinions on a game without the people who actually got the game they wanted being half-civil to those who didn't?

I can understand how those who are disappointed with the new design direction could be angry since they bought a game they thought was something else, but I really can't understand all the people who are happy with the game and feel the need to rage against those who aren't. If you love the game so much, go play it!


There is a HUGE diffrence between a helpfull critisicm and stupid critisicm. The op decided to do the latter.

This thread brings nothing new to the table and the OP thinks the people who don't like ME2 on this forum represent the vast majority. It's a combiniation of unproductive and stupid. That simple.

You want a GOOD negitive critsicm thread, check out the recently created the good, the bad, and the ugly. Brings nothing new to the table, but gives a nicely explained, well orgnized, and intelligent thread.


I agree that the OP used a bit of hyperbole to get people talking and prbably draw attention to his thread, but that's no reason to resort to insults.  Instead, if you don't like a discussion, quit posting on the thread and bumping it up to the top of the list. simple.

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Posté 31 janvier 2010 - 07:07

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Op is living a dream. Of course there are some complainers, there always are, but a lot of constructive critics and conversations about "how awesome this or that is" too. And that's the vast majority.

It's fact that the game has some flaws, but 'disappointed the least'? Hah-ahahaha-hahah. Lol.
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