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[Schurge]

Orfinn wrote...

3. All reviews I have seen have been 9/10 or better. Most people agree.

Of course they they are! its mass psychology 101. Or else business would be hard to land in a skeptic po0pulation. Its like a priest brainwashing someone to believe in gods, not the best paralell but still.

I agree with the score, but I also agree with you... the majority of professional reviews I have ever read were done by those who havn't actually played the game, only played an hour of it, hated that particular genre, seemingly based their reviews off of other reviews, seemed to have based their reviews on videos and advertizements, and/or the review was basically an advertisment.

[Archie591]

ME2 is better in every way. I have read dozens of threads and listened to every complaint. I still don't see any logic behind any of it.



There are things that could be better in ME2, but all in all, compared to ME1 they have improved the game on all levels.



I play a lot of games. I mean a god damn lot. My all time favourites include BG2 and Deus Ex. Those were old-school games over a decade old. DA and ME are the new kids on the block and without a doubt I can safely say that both genres have been improved.



ME2 takes the Deus Ex model to the new level and setting. Beautiful cinematics relay the incredible story. Firefights make transitions from one part of the story to the next fun and interesting. There are less interruptions and the game feels much more streamlined. ME1 attempted to break the mold and it did so. But the Developers had no idea how far they had to push. They pushed too far. Making innovations that simple weren't in the best interest of the game.



Too many options concerning your inventory and too little actual value. Storyline and cinematics were beyond awesome, but the combat that had to hold it together could have been better.



Ahh.. .what am I babbling about. All of you have your own views and whatnot, I'm sure many of you have decided that ME2 is a bad game and needs to be punished. Good for you. I'm gonna go and play a few more rounds of the Jewel of 2010.

[FlintlockJazz]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

In comparison to the ones who are content with the game, the majority that not only post here but on other forums are not happy with the result of ME2. Hopefully Bioware will take note that alienating their existing fanbase to "bring in players that didn't play the original", in other words, shooter fans, is not a smart move, whether it's from an ethics standpoint or business.

I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree.  I'm not only a long-time rper who has played games like Baldur's Gate and Daggerfall, but I even put off playing ME1 until the end of last year because I was under the belief that it was primarily a shooter (big mistake), and I can confidently say that I am very pleased with ME2. 

In fact, I actually think I might like it more than DA:O, which I find disconcerting considering how DA:O is supposed to be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate.  I also strongly doubt that most shooter fans will appreciate ME2 unless they already appreciate RPGs, especially if you're going by stereotypes.  

Of course, if you have statistics to back up your statement with information on how those statistics were collated, then I will happily take a look at them.  The forums seem to have people on both sides of the fence on here, and I get the impression that they are more arguing because they enjoy arguing and being nasty to each other than actually because they believe in what they are posting.

In summary, ME2 is great, and is actually a good rpg.

[FirstOfTheFallen]

I'll just chime in with my opinion.

Story-wise, graphics-wise, and generally overall, I'm very happy with this game.  I think the voice actor's performances are just a shade better than in the first game, the story is moving the overall arc along quite nicely, and the graphics have been tweaked just enough to be an improvement.  I also don't mind the "cover" combat system; while taking cover might have been taken from Gears of War, the old adage "if you're gonna steal, steal from the best" comes to mind.

However, having said that, I think there are some pretty big issues that need to be addressed, and as TC says, hopefully BW monitors these boards and will take notice of their fans wishes for ME3.  So many people have complained about these issues on the Mass Effect 2 board at GameFAQS that in the six days since the game was released, the topic I originally posted the following views in - which I did on January 26 - has been locked from additional posting.  And there are over 190 pages of topics from 1/26 on.

- The Thermal Clips BS.  Come on, BioWare, what is up with that?  In-universe, you go from being able to set up your weapons so that not only do you have infinite firing time but pretty much the only way they'll overheat/be useless is if you get tech attacked(ME1), to just having stock weapons with no customization and now you can for all intents and purposes actually run out of ammunition?(ME2)  This seems like one of the biggest steps backward technologically I can envision.  And can someone explain to me the logic of cryogenic ammunition making your weapon overheat?

- Character level up change.  So, you now have...five, maybe six areas to level up your characters?  And the points needed to do so increase exponentially?  This seems like an arbitary decision for making the game more difficult.  What was wrong with ME1's system of "each point of increase costs a point"?

- Fuel for flying the Normandy.  Okay, I get that it's twice as big as the old Normandy, and I get that you're not in the "Grand Mass Relay Central" part of the galaxy.  And if you want to have the ship burn fuel, that's fine.  But a 1000 unit fuel tank?  And it takes over 400 to go the tiny distance from Omega to Saharabik?  Very annoying and very unneccesary.

- The display font.  Come on, BioWare.  It seems like you tried to make it as little as possible for no justifiable reason.  What was wrong with the font size from ME1?  It's like you went from a 12 to an 8.

- The "Universal Power Cooldown".  Part of the reason people liked playing as Vanguards, Adepts or Engineers in ME1 was the "rapid-fire" usage of powers.  But now using one power prevents you from using any others?  Even with the shorter cooldown times, this seems like an unneccessary complication.

- Not being able to equip your party from the Start Menu.  That gave you easy access to everything you had in your inventory, and if different enemies popped up in the middle of a battle, you could switch out ammo/armor upgrades on the fly.  Far more useful than the limited customization ME2 restricts players to, which is made worse by only being able to do so on the Normandy or in mission locations that are few and far between.

- Not being able to customize your party's appearance.  Granted, in ME1 all you could do was change their armor and put on/remove their helmet, but that's more than you can do in ME2.  Okay, these are highly trained operatives, but they're going on a suicide mission and none of them care if they're wearing anything more durable than cotton?

- Speaking of which, why can't Shepard toggle the Terminus and Collector helmets on/off?  Although I admit this is more of a personal annoyance.

[Erszebeth]

FlintlockJazz wrote..

I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree.  I'm not only a long-time rper who has played games like Baldur's Gate and Daggerfall, but I even put off playing ME1 until the end of last year because I was under the belief that it was primarily a shooter (big mistake), and I can confidently say that I am very pleased with ME2. 

In fact, I actually think I might like it more than DA:O, which I find disconcerting considering how DA:O is supposed to be the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate.  I also strongly doubt that most shooter fans will appreciate ME2 unless they already appreciate RPGs, especially if you're going by stereotypes. 

In summary, ME2 is great, and is actually a good rpg.

THIS.

I am an old rpg fan and I count BG2, Arcanum, Planescape : Torment, Fallout 2, KotOR or Vampire The mascarade among my favorite games. But ME didn't satisfy me at all. It didn't felt like a Bioware game to me. Only the main quest and the interactions were well done. But most of the characters felt bland (I'm looking at you, Kaidan), the fighting was limp, and the sidequest were pitiful. ME2 improves all of that while keeping the Bioware tradition of making great games. Yes, it's a RPG/TPS hybrid, and it finally delivers on that promise by making the fighting worthwhile. In ME, I felt fighting was a cumbersome experience between more plot developpement.

ME2 is a great game, and it's also a worthwhile rpg.

Modifié par Erszebeth, 01 février 2010 - 04:18 .

[AeroCmdr]

_KTA_ wrote...

DeadJediJamie wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

1.  You must've just started playing video games in the last 2 years.  The controls were perfectly fine.

2.  Hand-crafted and poor quality.  Go look at the normandy wreckage quest.  Wanna tell me why it is that they couldn't find the 20 missing people,  5 of whom hid in boxes during an alien attack instead of getting in an escape pod?  Was the entire rescue team handicapped and unable to open a box?  Was Normandy's crew insane and thought a box would protect them from destruction?  No.  Someone just thought it'd make it harder to go collect the trinkets if they put them in a box,  never mind it makes absolutely no sense.

3.  Seriously?  The game is better because the "Normandy is better"?  It's got like 3 more rooms,  none of which actually do anything.

4.  No,  now there's no inventory system.  Just a pretty standard FPS system which occasionally lets you choose a gun.

5.  Character Development?  Um,  only if you consider random unrelated bits and pieces character development.  The other night I broke into an apartment and looted it,  then broke into another apartment and looted it in front of it's owners without them saying a word.  Then I broke into a third apartment,  and gave some NPC's heck for breaking into apartments and looting them.  Except that's what I'd been doing,  and why I was in there,  and that was the "Good people" response.  I'm sorry,  Character Development would've required them to actually have something sensical in there.

I'd strongly recommend you go take another look,  you appear to be having some delusions about what's actually in the game...

To counter your nonsense, I say this.

1) I'm 32, I've been playing games likely before you were a twinkle in your mother's eye, so please shut up. With that aside; the controls for the Mako were terrible. It bounced around and was generally not fun to drive, but then again nothing about what you used the Mako (with the exception of the main missions)  was fun after the initial novelty of exploring planets.

2) I'm not sure what the wreckage of the old Normandy has to do with anything, that was just DLC and a nice little addition to round out the tale of the old Normandy and its missing crew members, you did it one time and at least you got some form of acknowledgment for it.

For the collection missions that were present in ME 1 there was no explanation for why Shepard was finding these trinkets from Turians, Salarians and Matriarchs.

3) Yes, the Normandy feels more like a Starship, it is better designed and more realistic. The first Normandy didn't look like it could accomodate even a handful of crew.

4) Scrapping the inventory system was the best option. Why? Because it required so much needless micromanagement and I'm not even talking about swapping modifications to weapons. It invariably required emptying due to all the useless vendor trash and duplicate items.

That brings me to another problem with the system, you never needed money - you could get just about everything for shooting up a few Geth. Not to mention that Shepard never appeared to loot them, it just materialised in his inventory. Yep... makes sense.

You could argue that money isn't a necessity now since you do get free upgrades and stuff from missions. However, without purchasing equipment, certain upgrade trees can't be completed, making money a lot more useful. Unlike ME 1 where the best equipment (Spectre weapons not withstanding) could be obtained for free.

5) No idea what the hell you're talking about here. Care to elaborate who's quest you were doing?

Long story short, you are probably speaking bollocks for no good reason whatsoever. I can't think of any compelling reason in anything you've said, to go back to the system Mass Effect 1. Enjoy your bland planets and recycled bases, I guess.

watch out this guy's making sense, Mass Effect 2 is a great evolution in everything ME1.  The inventory system wasn't an inventory system in ME1... it was an equip screen.   You never got any actual "items" just useless junk to sell.

Haters, read this: http://gamedesignrev...rt-ii/#more-999

And stop crying, actually don't it's sort of funny at this point.

You should take a look at the PC version of Mass Effect's inventory. It's quite good and if they had added item stacking it would be fantastic.

[Scot Krow]

It would be nice though if there were more gun and armor options. Plus I would love to customize my parties armor and have more freedom with the terminus armor pre-order DLC. I love the game, but all games have issues.

[screwoffreg]

"Most" are disappointed? I was never asked to vote on that poll.



The only objective facts we have are:



A majority of game reviewers rank ME 2 as perfect or near perfect (9/10, 4/5, 90/100, etc)



The game has sold exceptionally well for billing itself as an RPG, over two million copies thus far! It will clearly blow other PC RPG games figures out of the water (minus Wow) and will set a standard in the console world



These are the only OBJECTIVE facts. I would think if you were to go as far as put a poll out, the "majority" you speak of wouldn't be in line with the OP's thinking

[StormdriverOne]

I'm disappointed with the OP's lack of evidence that "most are disappointed."

Modifié par StormdriverOne, 01 février 2010 - 11:46 .

[jegillan]

There is no evidence, and even if a true study was done, the evidence would overwhelmingly support the near CERTAINTY (I won't say fact because it hasn't been proven) that most people are very happy with Mass Effect 2.

[DarthCaine]

StormdriverOne wrote...

I'm disappointed with the OP's lack of evidence that "most are disappointed."

The trolls have nothing better to do and are complaining, while most regual formities are playing and enjoying the game right now

[killersinc]

I just had an issue with exploration. It really felt like you had 9 places you could land and when the main quest is done you are boned. I have gotten through the quest and I thought the teaser for ME3 could have been a extension to the main quest. How that would work is the council finally see the threat coming and mobilized. One other thing I was mad about in both games is that you can see a planet and it says there is a colony on it. But you can't go see it majority of the time.

[killersinc]

DarthCaine wrote...

StormdriverOne wrote...

I'm disappointed with the OP's lack of evidence that "most are disappointed."

The trolls have nothing better to do and are complaining, while most regual formities are playing and enjoying the game right now

Also I have completed the entire game and looking for more.

[AnathamaDye]

I played the first and I for one LOVE this game, the direction they are going in is keeping me interested in the series.

[haberman13]

I'm disappointed at the direction the series is taking, I skipped Oblivion because of things like this.

But ..... The devs did a GREAT job with the content they did produce, so I want to give them props.

For ME3, pretty please add the inventory, exploration and "RPGishness" of the game come back.

[zacrobmer]

@ Killersinc



Did you buy the extra "maps" from the vendor on Illum? It gives more clusters with several systems to explore and "anomaly" N7 missions. I've found about 14 or so N7 missions so far.



@ the OP. Your title really should read, "some" or may "a bunch".

[Cyrilmak]

I'm highly enjoying the game just as I did with ME1. That said I miss a few things which are: Inventory, custimization and THE TANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My favorite aspect of ME 1 was the M28 tank. I miss it dearly.



I was also hoping for more breastages and sex scenes! Ok well seriously.. I miss the M28 .

[killersinc]

zacrobmer wrote...

@ Killersinc

Did you buy the extra "maps" from the vendor on Illum? It gives more clusters with several systems to explore and "anomaly" N7 missions. I've found about 14 or so N7 missions so far.

@ the OP. Your title really should read, "some" or may "a bunch".

Yes I did. But I want to be able to fly where I want. I want more choices on locals and cities I can explore. I am not asking to make the game 300 hours long just more to explore. This is the freaking milky way we are talking here! Its huge and we still don't know what the Turian homworld looks like or what the quarian homeworld would look like. Granted the geth are at that last homeworld but you could go to it if you want. I wont spoil anything but there is a part of the game that could help you getting there. Also what the hell happened to the Citadel? We can only go to a hand ful of places that feels like your in a tiny box looking at a huge station. I love how they gave us a taste of what else is there but give us back the areas we could walk in. Also what is up with a lack of colonies to walk in. We get a taste of some places but can't go back to the places we saved in the first game. 

All isn't bad in this game! I love the gears of war cover system! It gave challenge to the game but what happened to the overheating system. I read the codex about the mass effect weapons and they didn't need ammo because of their technology. Now we get clips and they call them tech superiority. Come on really, you went from never having to reload but now you do. That isn't tech evolution, that is deevolution. Another good part that I liked. The loyalty issue. I always thought it was wierd that my team in ME1 just went with what I wanted. Really no questions? Well ME2 fixed that. The character system is nice!

[Scot Krow]

killersinc wrote...

zacrobmer wrote...

@ Killersinc

Did you buy the extra "maps" from the vendor on Illum? It gives more clusters with several systems to explore and "anomaly" N7 missions. I've found about 14 or so N7 missions so far.

@ the OP. Your title really should read, "some" or may "a bunch".

Yes I did. But I want to be able to fly where I want. I want more choices on locals and cities I can explore. I am not asking to make the game 300 hours long just more to explore. This is the freaking milky way we are talking here! Its huge and we still don't know what the Turian homworld looks like or what the quarian homeworld would look like. Granted the geth are at that last homeworld but you could go to it if you want. I wont spoil anything but there is a part of the game that could help you getting there. Also what the hell happened to the Citadel? We can only go to a hand ful of places that feels like your in a tiny box looking at a huge station. I love how they gave us a taste of what else is there but give us back the areas we could walk in. Also what is up with a lack of colonies to walk in. We get a taste of some places but can't go back to the places we saved in the first game. 

All isn't bad in this game! I love the gears of war cover system! It gave challenge to the game but what happened to the overheating system. I read the codex about the mass effect weapons and they didn't need ammo because of their technology. Now we get clips and they call them tech superiority. Come on really, you went from never having to reload but now you do. That isn't tech evolution, that is deevolution. Another good part that I liked. The loyalty issue. I always thought it was wierd that my team in ME1 just went with what I wanted. Really no questions? Well ME2 fixed that. The character system is nice!

Okay the thing is they put in the thermal clips, they absorb heat that  can damage the guns.  I just think you should be able to fire with no thermal clips too and have to fix the heat damage.  And it would be nice to visit all the different species homworlds, ,aybe not the elcors.  And just have colonies you can visit and help people with their problems and go the shops and stuff, plus I want the persidium back.

[KFD11430]

A lot of people keep saying seriuosly though, look at the ratings and sales numbers. Those raitings are prerelease ratings. They are placed though a large test group that all play small individual parts of the game and then rate the section that they played, this is to avoid a testing group from going out and ruining the storyline that the devlopers created. Couldn't they just sue if a tester did that? Sure! however once the cat is out of the bag the company would win the lawsuit but they'll still lose the surprize of the story they've been working on the last three years.



Secondly the sales numbers. A large part of those sale numbers and figures are from reserves or sales to fans that enjoyed and loved Mass Effect and have no knowledge as to how the second one is going to be. The only insight that they have is the ratings from people who once again have played small parts of the game to test it.

[Phel Shepard]

FirstOfTheFallen wrote...

  And can someone explain to me the logic of cryogenic ammunition making your weapon overheat?

I will attempt, but I am in no way an expert on anything I am about to talk about (at least I can admit that). But I still think I can make valid points, albeit mostly conjecture. 

Perhaps the actual mechanics of the gun itself is what causes overheating, and this is not directly effected by the temperature of the projectile being fired. Assuming a projectile is being fired at all. It is more likely that the actual cryogenic "beam" is not facilitated by "ammunition" and is some kind of frequency, albeit a frequency contained by some kind of electromagnetic field to contain it's trajectory from start to finish so it does not dissipate and wave off in any direction like a beam of light would be inclined to do over a distance. There is actually much talk in science right now about lasers, their function and how the technology works. Including how a Star Wars lightsabre would work properly to contain the temperatures it would otherwise be emitting. 

Conclusion: I believe the actual gun mechanics are the cause of the temperature overheat, while the fired "beam" themselves are a technologically contained mass/photon/frequency with it's own contained temperature for use in combat. 

This might also explain why it's even possible to change the temperature easily from very cold to very hot by Shephard at the flick of a switch. 

Modifié par Phel Shepard, 08 février 2010 - 09:53 .

[tzeraph1]

Im quite happy with the sequel. The OP is not. Done and done.

[Jaysonie]

Schurge wrote...

Orfinn wrote...

3. All reviews I have seen have been 9/10 or better. Most people agree.

Of course they they are! its mass psychology 101. Or else business would be hard to land in a skeptic po0pulation. Its like a priest brainwashing someone to believe in gods, not the best paralell but still.

I agree with the score, but I also agree with you... the majority of professional reviews I have ever read were done by those who havn't actually played the game, only played an hour of it, hated that particular genre, seemingly based their reviews off of other reviews, seemed to have based their reviews on videos and advertizements, and/or the review was basically an advertisment.

Have you read the 40 plus reviews in depth to back up that theory.

[Birdman117]

rabidrabbit2727 wrote...

Maybe because the people who love the game are busy playing it, rather than complaining on these forums.

This.

I only had 2 real complaints.
1) the mineral scanning. It was just really time consuming, but otherwise fine.
2) End boss. Kinda lame (and easy to kill) but nothing game breaking. Wasn't anything that had me really dissapointed. It was an interesting idea, I just wasn't a huge fan.

Modifié par Birdman117, 08 février 2010 - 10:23 .

[DrunkenIrish1]

rabidrabbit2727 wrote...

Maybe because the people who love the game are busy playing it, rather than complaining on these forums.

^^ this