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[Samiri]

I really like the game, usaly i do not buy a game right when its released i allways wait but ME2 got me to buy it straigt away and i havent regrettet it at all.



I played ME1 aswell and think this is just as good.

I am looking forward to all the ekstra stuff that scould be comming later.

[Jreavyr]

I loved ME1 and played it through multiple times. ME 2 outshines it IMHO and is one of the best RPG's I have ever played. Period. I only hit the boards when I'm at work, because every freaking minute of my time away from work has been spent playing this game since it released on Tuesday.



As others have said, by and large people only post when they need to **** about something, it is the nature of game forums. It would be safe to assume based on user reviews and sales that everyone else is too busy playing to bother posting or spamming how much they love this game.

[FitShaced]

sinosleep wrote...

Wow, talk about someone who doesn't understand forum dynamics. Forums usually run counter to reality. Fact of the matter is people are more likely to go to a forum to complain about something than they are to praise it. It's just the way it is. It's the reason why on comic book forums New Avengers is regularly the most hated on comic even though it's gotten great reviews and has been the top selling comic consistently for FIVE years running selling 100k a month in an industry where 50k a month is healthy. It's the reason why when you go to a rap forum everyone hates Jay Z while going on about clowns that have been stuck underground or the last 10 years. I could go on and on and on about the just about any subject where when you step into a forum it's as if you've entered the twilight zone, up is down, the sky is green and grass is blue, etc, etc etc. Go to the warcraft forums and even though it's incomparably more successful than any mmo before or after it's release 90% of posts are complaints.

Not only that, but the sample size here is so absurdly small that it makes it even worse. There are what, 40 regular posters here? I mean seriously, click on every page on the front thread and tell me you don't consistently see the same names crop up over and over and over again. What you see on these, and practically all forums is an obscenely small but quite loud minority.

Opinions here mean practically nothing, what matters is the 96 on metacritic through TONS of aggregated review scores and the millions sold. The majority are clearly happy, even if that isn't apparant here.

You just won this whole damn thread.

[Zentrasi]

Kalfear wrote...

But that would even be acceptable if the story of ME1 was there. But its not. I feel no emotional connection to any of my squad mates, none what so ever. In DA:O, I WANTED to romance an bed Leilianna, in KotOR I wanted to be with Bastilla, same with JE. The personalities were built up and explained that you create connections to the characters. This isnt the case in ME2.

Sure you do their loyalty tests and those nice side missions but whats lacking from game is the conversations where you really learn about each other and who they think and react to different thngs.

 I don't feel the same kind of emotional connection to my new crew as I did in the first game but that's because the ME2 crew (except your old returning ones) are a bunch of thugs and criminals and I don't trust a single one of them.
That's what makes it so cool

[Twitchmonkey]

Zentrasi wrote...

 I don't feel the same kind of emotional connection to my new crew as I did in the first game but that's because the ME2 crew (except your old returning ones) are a bunch of thugs and criminals and I don't trust a single one of them.
That's what makes it so cool

Thane is in every way the best crew member of either game, must we debate this? Debating that point would be like debating whether humans need air to breath. Garrus and Tali are strong contenders, but it isn't really a fair fight.

[Kalfear]

Zentrasi wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

But that would even be acceptable if the story of ME1 was there. But its not. I feel no emotional connection to any of my squad mates, none what so ever. In DA:O, I WANTED to romance an bed Leilianna, in KotOR I wanted to be with Bastilla, same with JE. The personalities were built up and explained that you create connections to the characters. This isnt the case in ME2.

Sure you do their loyalty tests and those nice side missions but whats lacking from game is the conversations where you really learn about each other and who they think and react to different thngs.

 I don't feel the same kind of emotional connection to my new crew as I did in the first game but that's because the ME2 crew (except your old returning ones) are a bunch of thugs and criminals and I don't trust a single one of them.
That's what makes it so cool

Correect me if im wrong but didnt Bioware do a whole marketing campaign on fighting for the lost and following Shepard to the death?
How you do that when you simply dont care?
I dont care if my entire team gets wiped out because there is no emotional connection to them.
Im romancing Miranda but its just for sex, unlike other BW games, I dont give a flying beep about Miranda. Dont know her other then she looks good.

Sorry I dont think the emotional abandonment in the game is a step forward.
I honestly dont know anyone that would (other then the board trolls here that post how great everything is like the mindless lemmings they are)

Modifié par Kalfear, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:21 .

[Frakking.Toaster]

I mean sure ME2 had some things i didn't care for , but its still an AMAZING game. Bioware cares about plot,and character. Despite game play changes, its still a great game. Yes its a little less stereotypical in some rpg elements, but they are still there. And the game play is amazing. I loved ME1, i adore KOTOR, and DA, and ME2 did not from a game play/story standpoint- disappoint me. Still bummed - no Jack love for Femshep, and would have liked a LITTLE more from Liara, but i can't wait for ME3.

[Dewnis]

Personally i like the characters in this game more than the last one. I'm more connected to Jack than anyone else. She has a lot of pain inside of her. And also i find Jacob more interesting. It's nice to see Garrus evolve. Thane is interesting as well. And i also feel for Mordin.. although i feel more hatred because he's irritating. (Which is good, you can't fit with everyone)

[Kwonnern]

Well, without Mordin, how would research go?

[Kalfear]

SwobyJ wrote...

Jigero wrote...

I have yet to see any ****ing on this forum that had the slightest hint to that they had any idea of what the hell they where talking about. They make it sound like Mass Effect 1 was the most perfect game ever, I loved Mass Effect 1 but I am the first to point out how flawed it was, ME2 was still flawed in many ways but it didn't stop it from being a awesome game, probably the best game I've played since Okami. People need to take off the Nostalgia Goggles and start seeing that most of ME1's major flaws where made a **** ton better in ME2.

EDIT: "Taking these fans too seriously is usually a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, they are usually a decided minority in almost every fandom (though they often claim to be a majority).Fan Dumb also tends to suffer from an extreme case of Fan Myopia, regardless of what kind they are; in any variation, they are often intractably convinced that the views of "the fans" (or perhaps more accurately, them) are both more widespread and more mainstream than in fact they are. If you're a producer, then pandering to them is usually a good way to make your show crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the show crash and burn."

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/FanDumb

You have my pity sir/maam

so uninformed in your life you have to link to wiki to flame people!

Do your parents cut your food for you still as well?

Modifié par Kalfear, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:32 .

[Vandrayke]

lol the ad hominem attack making an appearance



I like the characters more in ME2. More grit ftw.

[exboomer]

sinosleep wrote...

Wow, talk about someone who doesn't understand forum dynamics. Forums usually run counter to reality. Fact of the matter is people are more likely to go to a forum to complain about something than they are to praise it. It's just the way it is. It's the reason why on comic book forums New Avengers is regularly the most hated on comic even though it's gotten great reviews and has been the top selling comic consistently for FIVE years running selling 100k a month in an industry where 50k a month is healthy. It's the reason why when you go to a rap forum everyone hates Jay Z while going on about clowns that have been stuck underground or the last 10 years. I could go on and on and on about the just about any subject where when you step into a forum it's as if you've entered the twilight zone, up is down, the sky is green and grass is blue, etc, etc etc. Go to the warcraft forums and even though it's incomparably more successful than any mmo before or after it's release 90% of posts are complaints.

Not only that, but the sample size here is so absurdly small that it makes it even worse. There are what, 40 regular posters here? I mean seriously, click on every page on the front thread and tell me you don't consistently see the same names crop up over and over and over again. What you see on these, and practically all forums is an obscenely small but quite loud minority.

Opinions here mean practically nothing, what matters is the 96 on metacritic through TONS of aggregated review scores and the millions sold. The majority are clearly happy, even if that isn't apparant here.

Metacritic scores are WAY OVERRATED and I believe they produce a false image of how gamers really feel about games. They're like the nielsen ratings IMO and anyone company who relies on Metacritic to judge how good their game is is wasting their time. JMO.

[Twitchmonkey]

exboomer wrote...
Metacritic scores are WAY OVERRATED and I believe they produce a false image of how gamers really feel about games. They're like the nielsen ratings IMO and anyone company who relies on Metacritic to judge how good their game is is wasting their time. JMO.

They're useful in that they inform prospective purchasers about whether a game will be a good buy, but if you want to get a good idea of how well a game is being received, you can scroll down and check the player reviews, which currently have ME2 sitting at a 9, on some sites it's higher.

[bconk55]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

In comparison to the ones who are content with the game, the majority that not only post here but on other forums are not happy with the result of ME2. Hopefully Bioware will take note that alienating their existing fanbase to "bring in players that didn't play the original", in other words, shooter fans, is not a smart move, whether it's from an ethics standpoint or business.

Everyone complaining about the few changes that make the game "less like an RPG" should just sit down and play the damn game. I'm a huge RPG fan, but the changes are either unnoticable or largely positive. Give the game a chance before crying about not having 20 different guns to choose from, when you would only use one, no matter the situation, anyway.

[DK_DOOM]

Of course it's going to seem like most people are disappointed. Because the last thing that happens with any game, is that all the praise people have for it is constantly made. You will never see forums with 10-20 threads all talking about the same things they love. Instead, you see them with the same 10-20 threads talking about the same things they whine and **** about.

[Lozamatoz]

In a way you have to thank the OP for creating the topic and bringing in people to defend the game. If no-one were to complain, there would be no praise. People rarely start threads to praise games, they start them to moan, then people come and defend their game, and THAT is when we see the praise. So thanks to the OP for making everyone mostly agree that his opinion is wrong.

Now i'm gonna go ahead and praise this game all I can. I really don't get how people can prefer ME1. At first I was taken aback by the fact that I had no visible inventory, and no loot seemed to be dropping from my enemies. Then I realised that my ship WAS my inventory system. The game is far more immersive because of this, there are more interactions with the squad members, more story behind them, more emotion, and on top of that, the combat is good enough to now be a stand alone game.

What the hell is the problem? I personally think the cultists, or RPG purists out there do not like the fact one of their favorite game universes has become a massive commercial success. Embrace the game guys, it's good. I'd wager it is MORE RPG than the previous, just from the immersion and dialogue standpoint alone. Also, if your argument is stating that a game is no longer an RPG because it doesn't have a lot of loot, therefore this game sucks because it's shooter, you are clearly narrow minded. Dungeon crawlers, and true RPGs are of two different worlds. This game is NOT a dungeon crawler, it is an action/ RPG hybrid. Get over it... That is like hating a Stephen Spielberg movie because he didn't include aliens in it for once...

Modifié par Lozamatoz, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:48 .

[Zentrasi]

Kalfear wrote...

Zentrasi wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

But that would even be acceptable if the story of ME1 was there. But its not. I feel no emotional connection to any of my squad mates, none what so ever. In DA:O, I WANTED to romance an bed Leilianna, in KotOR I wanted to be with Bastilla, same with JE. The personalities were built up and explained that you create connections to the characters. This isnt the case in ME2.

Sure you do their loyalty tests and those nice side missions but whats lacking from game is the conversations where you really learn about each other and who they think and react to different thngs.

 I don't feel the same kind of emotional connection to my new crew as I did in the first game but that's because the ME2 crew (except your old returning ones) are a bunch of thugs and criminals and I don't trust a single one of them.
That's what makes it so cool

Correect me if im wrong but didnt Bioware do a whole marketing campaign on fighting for the lost and following Shepard to the death?
How you do that when you simply dont care?
I dont care if my entire team gets wiped out because there is no emotional connection to them.
Im romancing Miranda but its just for sex, unlike other BW games, I dont give a flying beep about Miranda. Dont know her other then she looks good.

Sorry I dont think the emotional abandonment in the game is a step forward.
I honestly dont know anyone that would (other then the board trolls here that post how great everything is like the mindless lemmings they are)

There's no need to start insulting people whose opinion differs from yours.

  If anything I find I'm even more attached to the old crew members now that I know who the new guys are. I keep going to talk to them because they are familiar faces and I know who they are. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

 I kind of like that this game is not a rehash of the first one where everyone of your crew was inherently a good guy.  I didn't dislike a single one of them but I find I'm having opinions on who I like and don't like in the ME2 crew.

 Any game that can create that kind of emotional response in player gets a thumbs up from me.

So far (I'm only about half way through the main story I think) my new crew, save one or two, are simply the tools I need to get the mission done. I don't necessarily want to invite them around to dinner afterwards and that is what makes this game different and interesting, to me anyway. Will they grow on me later? Will my favourites change or will end up liking them all or not care about any of them? I'm looking forward to finding out.

Modifié par Zentrasi, 30 janvier 2010 - 08:54 .

[a_effect]

I'm loving Mass Effect 2 more than what I loved Mass Effect 1. From the characters to the gameplay it's far superior... seriously not because you see people posting hate to ME2 in these forum, means that most people hate the game...

that's just a retarded way of thinking... everybody thinks different, you don't like it? OK, good for you... It doesn't change the fact that it is still a great game. lol

[infalible]

Mass Effect is Bioware trying to create a new audience for their games.



There are those of us who have been around for years. We're the people who got orgasmic over Dragon Age. We're used to a far more traditional and pure take on RPGs from Bioware. I myself have been a Bioware fan since the original Baldur's Gate. I was brought up on titles like Eye of the Beholder. I played proper RPGs exclusively until about 3 years ago, when I moved into other genres of gaming. There are a lot of people who are similar, especially on these boards.



It's not surprising that there is a lot of polarisation on the ME2 forum that wasn't present on the ME forum. ME2 is something new and it is - sadly for those who would say otherwise - a far simpler formula that Bioware have used before. ME2 is clearly aimed at the big console gamer segment. It's aimed at fans of games like Gears of War and Halo. It's in that segment. That's where Bioware wanted it to land and I think it did a pretty good job. It's certainly carved them a brand new and large set of fans on that platform. When you consider that up until this point most of the people here have been PC gamers as Biowares attempt at cracking the console market were a tad lacklustre (commercially, not critically before anyone mentions KotoR). Mass Effect has done it for them. Now they are pulling in a new crowd that clearly want something different for their RPGs that I and a lot of others do and it's causing a very clear rift in the community.



What I accept - and I think everyone else should accept - is that Mass Effect 2 was not designed for the Baldur's Gate -type of RPG fans. It was designed for a new breed of fans. And as such it's never going to be the RPG experience we want.



I myself am fed up of being spoon fed traditional fantasy RPG after traditional fantasy RPG at the moment, which is why I'm a little disappointed by ME. I was hoping for the definitive sci-fi RPG in the traditional sense and that's not what I got. I accept that my expectations were probably unrealistic now. However I would say this: if another game dev tries to deliver another fantasy-based traditional RPG to market, I will personally beat them to death with a rusty router. I really am fed up of the fantasy genre right now. I've had enough of Elves, Orcs, Zombies, Dwarfs, Giants, Demons etc etc so on and so forth. In fact I've taken to playing Warcraft 3 in single player mode, just so I can commit genocide against said races.



Meh.

[HAGA NAGA]

i love what they've done with most everything in the game, particularly combat. i've played ME1 all the way through 9 times, so i'm not new.

the only thing bioware failed me on (and it was a decisive blow) was the lack F/F romances (and yes by that i mean Tali for my FemShep).

[bconk55]

Zentrasi wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Zentrasi wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

But that would even be acceptable if the story of ME1 was there. But its not. I feel no emotional connection to any of my squad mates, none what so ever. In DA:O, I WANTED to romance an bed Leilianna, in KotOR I wanted to be with Bastilla, same with JE. The personalities were built up and explained that you create connections to the characters. This isnt the case in ME2.

Sure you do their loyalty tests and those nice side missions but whats lacking from game is the conversations where you really learn about each other and who they think and react to different thngs.

 I don't feel the same kind of emotional connection to my new crew as I did in the first game but that's because the ME2 crew (except your old returning ones) are a bunch of thugs and criminals and I don't trust a single one of them.
That's what makes it so cool

Correect me if im wrong but didnt Bioware do a whole marketing campaign on fighting for the lost and following Shepard to the death?
How you do that when you simply dont care?
I dont care if my entire team gets wiped out because there is no emotional connection to them.
Im romancing Miranda but its just for sex, unlike other BW games, I dont give a flying beep about Miranda. Dont know her other then she looks good.

Sorry I dont think the emotional abandonment in the game is a step forward.
I honestly dont know anyone that would (other then the board trolls here that post how great everything is like the mindless lemmings they are)

There's no need to start insulting people whose opinion differs from yours.

  If anything I find I'm even more attached to the old crew members now that I know who the new guys are. I keep going to talk to them because they are familiar faces and I know who they are. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

 I kind of like that this game is not a rehash of the first one where everyone of your crew was inherently a good guy.  I didn't dislike a single one of them but I find I'm having opinions on who I like and don't like in the ME2 crew.

 Any game that can create that kind of emotional response in player gets a thumbs up from me.

So far (I'm only about half way through the main story I think) my new crew, save one or two, are simply the tools I need to get the mission done. I don't necessarily want to invite them around to dinner afterwards and that is what makes this game different and interesting, to me anyway. Will they grow on me later? Will my favourites change or will end up liking them all or not care about any of them? I'm looking forward to finding out.

Gotta agree with you here. While some of the new characters are definitely growing on me (Grunt has some nice development, for one), I find myself strangely attached to Garrus and Tali. I'm definitely one of those fools who fell in love with Tali on my first ME1 playthrough, and it was absolutely heartbreaking for me to turn down her advances this time around (I had already decided to romance Miranda this playthrough). Garrus just feels like someone I can always count on, and this is further emphasized by him being so willing to rejoin my crew, when so many others are involved in their own situations.

I can't say I have a strong attachment to every crew member, but I didn't in ME1 either. I think I killed Kaiden on every single one of my playthroughs, without a second thought. I would certainly have more qualms about doing so to Miranda, or even Jacob, a player I have spent very little time utilizing or speaking to.

Any lack in dialogue is largely overshadowed by the individual quests. There is just so much more detail in the side quests this time around. That alone wins the ME1 vs. ME2 "debate" for me.

[jpetrey123]

like the above poster said this game is not for the Balder's gate kinda people, but it still has a great story. i also would not say it extremely simplified. it seems simplified because there are a little bit less powers, but each upgrade makes a big differnce