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[NewYears1978]

I like the points brought up about how the "God" in the game may not reflect any of our "gods" or "God".

In other words..the lore and world is totally different..so it's hard to take our own actual religion into the game as it is exactly. Very cool thing to have been brought up..

I guess I do the same, I put myself into a religious role in the game, not of this world but of the game world.

Cool replies around here guys, thanks.

(GRR Why does it always create two spaces between lines, when I only pick ONE? )

Modifié par NewYears1978, 15 octobre 2009 - 07:08 .

[AClockworkMelon]

NewYears1978 wrote...

I like the points brought up about how the "God" in the game may not reflect any of our "gods" or "God".

In other words..the lore and world is totally different..so it's hard to take our own actual religion into the game as it is exactly. Very cool thing to have been brought up..

I guess I do the same, I put myself into a religious role in the game, not of this world but of the game world.

Cool replies around here guys, thanks.
(GRR Why does it always create two spaces between lines, when I only pick ONE? )

When you're done with a paragraph, hit enter once rather than twice.

Or alternatively, just click on the button to the right of the chat box that says 'standard form' or whatever. Its formatting is likely more what you're used to.

[Itkovian]

It rather depends on what I want to play.



Generally on the first play through I play something I can identify with the most, which usually ends up being a warrior/paladin type.



Despite that, I am an atheist, but I tend to reflect on how I would see myself in the given setting. Since in most fantasy settings magic and the supernatural are in fact facts, I tend to play religious characters (given that there evidence that the world is more than simply naturalistic). Though I rarely play religious zealots, tempering my actions with some judicious critical thinking (so not Lawful Stupid Paladins, but rather Lawful Good Paladins as appropriate to the setting when viewed critically).



Thank you.



Itkovian

[DalishRanger]

NiaSaV wrote...

hmm...
Is there other buddhist in the house?

Not a Buddhist myself, but I've always admired many of its beliefs and philosophies more than most any other belief system out there. Does that count for anything?

Modifié par DalishRanger, 15 octobre 2009 - 07:54 .

[Mordaedil]

It only seems to apply if you are making a quick reply. When you use "standard form", you get greater control of space between lines.

[NiaSaV]

DalishRanger wrote...

NiaSaV wrote...

hmm...
Is there other buddhist in the house?

Not a Buddhist myself, but I've always admired many of its beliefs and philosophies more than most any other belief system out there. Does that count for anything?

Just asking since most admitted they were Christian or raised as.

Thx 4 replying.

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

No. My characters are not me. The ones I've created have had a wide variety of beliefs and such, all drawn from different inspirations in real life (like Mordaedil explained: Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, polytheism, animism, and various other faiths). In terms of character morality it's quite possible that I draw strongly from my own religious upbringing in the past, since I find it a tad uncomfortable to roleplay completely evil characters without a sense of conscience. On the other hand one could very well argue that a person's morality and perspecties can be independent of whatever religious affiliation they happen to proclaim (to put it bluntly, there are hypocrites all around, and liberal definitions of certain core doctrines exist). So that argument might be moot.

Modifié par Amberyl Ravenclaw, 15 octobre 2009 - 08:14 .

[Korrud]

Well... I usually play through first with an evil character, or at least a selfish one, even though in real life i usually at least try to act morally good and try to make somewhat selfless choices or at least find a compromise.

I guess you could call me agnostic from a christian point of view, even though myself i just believe in a higher power that is not defined and i think most of the things written in the bible are from people's heads. I think my beliefs have nothing to do with my charecters per se, maybe one or two out of about six, usually the ones who are on a quest for knowledge.

Anyhow i sorta play different people, and try to think in advance different motivations and beliefs before i even play the game. Usually i play the one who conflicts most with what i do in real life first. Why? I really don't know, different personalities fascinate me i guess and through dialogue people's world inside their heads becomes more clear and more interesting... Guess it also might be me trying to see what kind of a person i would be choosing differently.

Modifié par Korrud, 15 octobre 2009 - 08:11 .

[bobsmyuncle]

It does, oddly enough. It might be less about my religion (Christian) and more about my personality though. I'm generally very sensitive and empathetic, so I play "full light side" characters until I'm bored with the game, when I start doing gimmick and evil runs.

Still, I really don't enjoy playing evil characters, but I do it sometimes to see all of a game's content. For example, in KOTOR, toward the end you have to make a final "light or dark" choice, after I beat the game I went back and played evil from that point on and it just made me ill. I did it because I heard it was very well done (it was) and I'm not sorry I did, but I wouldn't do it again because I found it too sad. I'm comfortable playing characters of a fictional religion or irreligious characters, but I find even pretending to be mean or evil unsettling.

I take books way too seriously as well, though not television for some reason. I think Sylar from Heroes is hilarious and awesome.  v:)v Maybe it's due to the level of immersion in each medium, I'm not sure.

[Cat Lance]

NiaSaV wrote...

hmm...
Is there other buddhist in the house?

Yup *raises hand*

[MrIsidor]

I've been actively religious in a christian religion and back then it did indeed play a factor in what and how I played.
Now I'm no longer part of any organized religion but I'm surely still "colored" by my earlier beliefs and for example, I can find myself staying away from "demonic" things in real world settings. I've also always had, and still have, a fondness for playing cleric type characters.

But in fantasy settings like DA:O, demons or other things don't really bother me, as it's not part of the real world. With that said, in a fantasy setting I can play just about any kind of character and do just about anything the game allows me to do. Still, completely putting away everything that makes me who I am IRL (although that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion) is something I think is impossible when playing a character in a game. I'm not that good of an actor.

So to answer the question "Does your Religion play a factor in your character?" I would say for me, to some degree, yes.
But I'd rather see the question as "does who you are as a person play a factor in your character" and then I'd think the answer would be yes for everyone, although to a more or less extent for different people. Even if we try to play a character that's the total opposite of ourselves, there'll most likely be something from ourselves that we can't keep away and thus will put into our character. But wether that something is some religious belief or just our favourite ice cream flavor is a totally different story.

[NewYears1978]

But I'd rather see the question as "does who you are as a person play a factor in your character" and then I'd think the answer would be yes for everyone, although to a more or less extent for different people.

Aye, good question, I mentioned up there somewhere that I can see maybe this question should have been about your morals, and not religion.

Still been a good topic for discussion

[HeathenKing]

NewYears1978 wrote...

Okay, not sure if this will be a touchy subject, or a stupid question.   Religion is often bashed online..and I know a huge majority are not Christians, and there is quite a bit of Christianity bashing on the internet, especially forums.

I am proud of my Christianity and not afraid to put it right out there.   However, my question is this, does your religion and beliefs play a role in the character you play and how you play it (In this case directly related to how you will play your DA character, so as not to be off-topic)?

Very curious about this and it's not something that typically comes up.

Yes it does. I'm what most would call an 'extremist' atheist, and so if possible, I'll be responsible for the absolute destruction of the Chantry.

[levi.porphyrogenitus]

In answer to the OP:
Yes, for my first character at least. For instance, I am Eastern Orthodox, and Thedas happens to have a very direct analog to that particular church: the Imperial Chantry. Therefore my first character (human noble warrior) will be at minimum secretely sympathetic to it, or if the dialog options allow he'll be an open adherent (considered a heretic by the Orlesian Chantry I'm sure).
After that, though, I tend to play around a bit more with character behaviors on subsequent playthroughs, just to experience more of the content. If I always played the same guy every time regardless of origin, I'd never run into much of anything new.

Modifié par levi.porphyrogenitus, 15 octobre 2009 - 09:19 .

[NewYears1978]

Thanks again for all the replies guys, it has been very cool and interesting to read the views everyone from different religious backgrounds has.

[twincast]

Sshodan wrote...

envy or greed are considered to be negative in cristian dominating society for example. And things like murdering and steeling being seriouse crimes where religeouse postilats once and than where adopted as a non beliver code of condukt.

Otherwise your post is correct enough but in the quoted part you have the order of events wrong.
Basic morals (don't steal, don't kill) are older than all dogmatic religions including the Abrahamic ones, most likely even older than any form of religion altogether.

[Vormalon]

Its interesting, someone mentioned KOTOR, and thinking back, my morals really did have an effect on that. I mean.. i normally have some fun doing an evil playthrough or two, but some of the dark side choices in that game were just TOO mean for me. I did them but felt so bad about it i had to reload >.>

[sandollor]

BlytheBrendan wrote...

 For my first character, I generally model the character after myself (I pick the things -I- would do etc)

      This is what I always do when playing an rpg (aside from pen & paper ones, in which I go evil). I think a better quest would be "when you play an RPG do your morals play a role at all or do they not? Why bring religion into the mix at all? Not only are some people without religion some are down right against it on pure principle and their own morals

[NewYears1978]

sandollor wrote...

BlytheBrendan wrote...

 For my first character, I generally model the character after myself (I pick the things -I- would do etc)

      This is what I always do when playing an rpg (aside from pen & paper ones, in which I go evil). I think a better quest would be "when you play an RPG do your morals play a role at all or do they not? Why bring religion into the mix at all? Not only are some people without religion some are down right against it on pure principle and their own morals

Yes, definately.  I assume you didn't read the topic or only skimmed it, but others and I have menioned several times that this might have been better asked as a morals question.  Even myself realized that a lot of my choices turn out being Moral not Religioius.  Especially since our world regligion doesn't really apply in Ferelden (or other games for that matter)

[Melicamp]

twincast wrote...
Otherwise your post is correct enough but in the quoted part you have the order of events wrong.
Basic morals (don't steal, don't kill) are older than all dogmatic religions including the Abrahamic ones, most likely even older than any form of religion altogether.

Indeed. Many studies have observed similar altruism and moral behaviour in other primates (though less complex than our own), so as this derived trait must have come from our common ancestor, it is evident that murder was likely considered an immoral act even before we developed writing. Added to this, recent advances in child psychology have shown that we are born with a very well-defined sense of right and wrong. So while religion is a useful tool in curbing the depravity of those few individuals who exhibit extreme abberant social behaviour (eg murderers reforming after finding god), it seems more likely that the moral lessons we find in religion are a reinforcement of our morals rather than the source.

[Korva]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

IStill, I really don't enjoy playing evil characters, but I do it sometimes to see all of a game's content. For example, in KOTOR, toward the end you have to make a final "light or dark" choice, after I beat the game I went back and played evil from that point on and it just made me ill. I did it because I heard it was very well done (it was) and I'm not sorry I did, but I wouldn't do it again because I found it too sad. I'm comfortable playing characters of a fictional religion or irreligious characters, but I find even pretending to be mean or evil unsettling.

Likewise, all the way. I tried the dark side endgame in KotOR out of curiosity and it didn't really do anything for me especially since it felt so out of character for my devoted Jedi. But that was nothing compared to the evil endgame in Jade Empire which I also tried after winning it "properly" the good way. It made me feel so awful, like such low, dirty, treasonous sh*t that I "had to" replay the good ending immediately afterwards to cleanse myself and make amends to my companions and especially to the Water Dragon.

Guess I'm a wimp and proud of it. :happy:

[ScytheDA]

Religion/spirituality does play a factor, I tend towards having my characters display my own spiritual views unless I conceive them prior as having something else. It does help with the immersion. Since I want more dynamic characters this time around, hopefully my characters will have a myriad of views on the subject.

[JointVW]

Hmmz for the first playthroughs i always tend to react as mutch as possible as i would do in RL and since i am raised christian it will influence it a bit. But it will be only a small influence and only in the first playthrough.

O btw i don't believe in the church.

[NewYears1978]

Korva wrote...

bobsmyuncle wrote...

IStill, I really don't enjoy playing evil characters, but I do it sometimes to see all of a game's content. For example, in KOTOR, toward the end you have to make a final "light or dark" choice, after I beat the game I went back and played evil from that point on and it just made me ill. I did it because I heard it was very well done (it was) and I'm not sorry I did, but I wouldn't do it again because I found it too sad. I'm comfortable playing characters of a fictional religion or irreligious characters, but I find even pretending to be mean or evil unsettling.

Likewise, all the way. I tried the dark side endgame in KotOR out of curiosity and it didn't really do anything for me especially since it felt so out of character for my devoted Jedi. But that was nothing compared to the evil endgame in Jade Empire which I also tried after winning it "properly" the good way. It made me feel so awful, like such low, dirty, treasonous sh*t that I "had to" replay the good ending immediately afterwards to cleanse myself and make amends to my companions and especially to the Water Dragon.

Guess I'm a wimp and proud of it.

Haha.  Well said!  That's how I feel.  When I make those choices in the game, it feels like I am making those choices in real life.  I know it's sorta silly, since that's one of the main points of a game is to escape reality.. but it's true.  I just tend to lean towards my real self with moral stuff.