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[Melicamp]

Korva wrote...

bobsmyuncle wrote...

IStill, I really don't enjoy playing evil characters, but I do it sometimes to see all of a game's content. For example, in KOTOR, toward the end you have to make a final "light or dark" choice, after I beat the game I went back and played evil from that point on and it just made me ill. I did it because I heard it was very well done (it was) and I'm not sorry I did, but I wouldn't do it again because I found it too sad. I'm comfortable playing characters of a fictional religion or irreligious characters, but I find even pretending to be mean or evil unsettling.

Likewise, all the way. I tried the dark side endgame in KotOR out of curiosity and it didn't really do anything for me especially since it felt so out of character for my devoted Jedi. But that was nothing compared to the evil endgame in Jade Empire which I also tried after winning it "properly" the good way. It made me feel so awful, like such low, dirty, treasonous sh*t that I "had to" replay the good ending immediately afterwards to cleanse myself and make amends to my companions and especially to the Water Dragon.

Guess I'm a wimp and proud of it. :happy:

KoTOR is the only game in which I was comfortable playing an evil character, which I think has something to do with the whole Force concept - because it was the Dark Side making/tempting me to do the evil, so I felt much less remorse than when I've tried evil in other games. I started off doing small selfish acts which escalated as I became seduced by the Dark Side... no other game I've played has had a concept like this in it, so I haven't been able to roleplay contrary to my real-life morals. That said, the idea of demonic possession in DA sounds fun - an excuse to be evil without being held accountable for my actions. I hope something like that might be an option in the mage story...

I also really enjoyed the Mass Effect moral dichotomy, as each path could be seen as good from it's own perspective - choices where saving a life could cause more in the long-run are harder, but reflect reality. Utilitarianism versus Moral Universalism is a very interesting comparison, and so I'm hoping a lot of the nuanced moralism of ME has crept into DAO...

[sandollor]

Melicamp wrote...

twincast wrote...
Otherwise your post is correct enough but in the quoted part you have the order of events wrong.
Basic morals (don't steal, don't kill) are older than all dogmatic religions including the Abrahamic ones, most likely even older than any form of religion altogether.

Indeed. Many studies have observed similar altruism and moral behaviour in other primates (though less complex than our own), so as this derived trait must have come from our common ancestor, it is evident that murder was likely considered an immoral act even before we developed writing. Added to this, recent advances in child psychology have shown that we are born with a very well-defined sense of right and wrong. So while religion is a useful tool in curbing the depravity of those few individuals who exhibit extreme abberant social behaviour (eg murderers reforming after finding god), it seems more likely that the moral lessons we find in religion are a reinforcement of our morals rather than the source.

I could not have stated it better myself. Although I do not believe all people are born with the a "very well-defined sense of right and wrong"; most for sure, but not all. The general consensus is that many Anti-social personally disorder sufferes are actually born with distorted neurological functions. This of course being the frontal lobe area of the brain which controls a person's sense of right and wrong, among other things.

Modifié par sandollor, 15 octobre 2009 - 10:31 .

[rgriffeth]

When I'm designing any character, I predetermine the the characters personality. After the character is created and while I am playing said character, I am no longer myself, I have become the character. If I decided that the character is greedy/evil, I would have no problems destroying a city for my gain.



So to answer your question, My personal self has absolutely no bearing on my characters actions.

[PGB01]

Being a Christian doesn't make you a bad person or a good person, it only makes you religious. I've never bought into the notion of playing evil characters in RPG games, because I don't believe in the concept of evil, certainly not the mediated evil in a game. Evil denotes something that's outside the bounds of humanity and a non-acceptance of the fact that we all have bad thoughts, all do things we shouldn't and could, given the right circumstances, all become concentration camp guards.

Modifié par PGB01, 15 octobre 2009 - 10:48 .

[FlammableTom]

I'd have to say not really. I find god centered religions to be archaic and fictitious but in an RPG you can and are indeed encouraged to suspend disbelief. While in the real world its perfectly rational to be an athiest in a setting like say Dungeons and Dragons, the gods are very much a reality.

Although I must admit some pleasure in finding out how full on religious Ash was in Mass Effect, it made chosing the other love interest much easier. Well that and her being so anti non-humans.

edit: come to think of it my first play through of any RPG I tend to RP a character with similar ideals to my own, so he/she is usually anti-theist if religion comes up and its truth is ambiguous like in Mass Effect.

Modifié par FlammableTom, 15 octobre 2009 - 10:51 .

[KethWolfheart]

It does a little.  I am not religious in an organized way, more spiritual.  If I had to pin it down I would say I am Pagan.  One god or many, they are all the same in the end.

Anyhow it affects my play, espeically in a fantasy setting which is closer to early paganism, because I tend to create characters somewhat around some of the common pagan archetypes.  For example my favorite is the Ranger who is in tune with nature and animals and the world around him.  I also like the mystical nature of mages.

Not sure if this is mentioned (I read most of the threads) but my religious beliefs also affect in another way.  I am not a big fan of fanatical organized religions where the religion is used as an excuse for certian negative behavoirs.

So how does this affect my game play?  Well when I play a game that has a strong religious theme where they seem to be a bit fanatical (like the Chantry - although this is a GUESS based on a littlre reading - I could very well be wrong in which case I will adjust my game play accordingly), then I tend to be more hostile in nature.

I may make choices or decision that may not seem to follow the normal path of "good" if I think those in religious power are abusing it *cough* templars.  So I may attack templars or make a quest decision just to irritate them :-)

Modifié par KethWolfheart, 15 octobre 2009 - 11:15 .

[Malkavianqueen]

Wee! Actually, I'm Pagan too, so my characters tend to go a bit against the mainstream. *points to her pagan Dalish elf*



Therefore, haughty individuals who seem to think their religion is the one true way to goodness in games (Paladins, and in Dragon Age, Templars) irritate me (and therefore my character) very much. *coughs*Casavir/Anomen*coughs*

[Lifter82]

I guess this is the first religious debate in a forum that didn´t destroy itself in the first 15 minutes. I really enjoyed reading about your believes and faith in regard to games and real life. I hope everýbody takes something out of this conversation.



<--- Still atheist but more aware of his own moral code and where it came from.

[PandaThief]

Im christian so no it has nothing to do with the character I choose just cuz its EH and shouldn't have a factor

[Ulvertson]

Absolutely not. I roleplay my character. Making decisions that would fit my character.

I'm a (proud:P) atheist btw

[Odd Bet]

Well, I am bound and determined to not let my characters eat any pork or shellfish.



Though, now that I think about it, that has yet to come up. Looks like BioWare needs to get on it. I demand encounters that challenge my ability to keep kosher!

[Cla-Wi]

It changes nothing for me personally. I'll believe what I believe and still get behind any video game character.

[rscottcatlive]

It plays very little part for me. Its a fantasy. Like acting.

[DalishRanger]

Lifter82 wrote...

I guess this is the first religious debate in a forum that didn´t destroy itself in the first 15 minutes. I really enjoyed reading about your believes and faith in regard to games and real life. I hope everýbody takes something out of this conversation.

Firmly agreed. The closest thing to true nastiness was the earlier misunderstanding, and that was cleared up quick. I hope this trend continues.

[FlammableTom]

Odd Bet wrote...

Well, I am bound and determined to not let my characters eat any pork or shellfish.

Though, now that I think about it, that has yet to come up. Looks like BioWare needs to get on it. I demand encounters that challenge my ability to keep kosher!

lol

[Remmirath]

I was going to say 'no, I just roleplay the character and it doesn't matter', but after thinking about it, that's not quite true. It is mostly true, however.

I do have a somewhat harder time playing clerics and paladins and such. I think it's because I have a harder time getting into the mindset of someone who really, honestly believes in such things. Not that I don't play them, or don't try to play them to the fullest; I just find it more challenging.

[LadyKarrakaz]

I play, and thus, only the way I imagine my character influences his actions in game.

I don't kill people IRL, I enjoy doing so in-game if my character is bad.

My personal opinion on religion is not at all relevant here.

[dragoager]

Odd Bet wrote...

Well, I am bound and determined to not let my characters eat any pork or shellfish.

Though, now that I think about it, that has yet to come up. Looks like BioWare needs to get on it. I demand encounters that challenge my ability to keep kosher!

Will you slay anything on the Sabbath?

[DalishRanger]

dragoager wrote...

Odd Bet wrote...

Well, I am bound and determined to not let my characters eat any pork or shellfish.

Though, now that I think about it, that has yet to come up. Looks like BioWare needs to get on it. I demand encounters that challenge my ability to keep kosher!

Will you slay anything on the Sabbath?

I could be wrong here, but you're only not supposed to work on the Sabbeth, right? He could classify slaying as "fun" and kill to his heart's content.

[Rivie]

I'm agnostic.  I find something to like in most religions, and something to dislike.

So I'm choosing to (attempt to) stay neutral.

I ain't no druid, though! 

[NewYears1978]

Lifter82 wrote...

I guess this is the first religious debate in a forum that didn´t destroy itself in the first 15 minutes. I really enjoyed reading about your believes and faith in regard to games and real life. I hope everýbody takes something out of this conversation.

<--- Still atheist but more aware of his own moral code and where it came from.

Yes, very refreshing.  I have enjoyed it quite a bit.

The misunderstanding came from my misreading his posts..because of the reaction I am used to getting on religious topics..so it's been really nice =)  Me and him cleared it up quick, and in fact have chatted a few times since.

Loving and enjoying this topic, appreciate everyone's input!

Modifié par NewYears1978, 16 octobre 2009 - 05:04 .

[Mordaedil]

You guys...

You're all so grown up, so mature. Why couldn't the SW:TOR forums be like this?

It's official, I'm proud to be part of this community.

[Darthnemesis2]

I don't think my atheism makes one bit of difference to my characters. Sure I make some characters that are atheist, but I also play others as well so I don't think it really makes that much of a difference.

[westiex9]

Im a celtic pagan so at least in appearance i do like to put tatoos and woad on my character. but i have loads of other influences when i make a pc so religion is just one of them.