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[Elphaba]

oblivionenss wrote...

But the point is there is no reason to compare Mass effect 2 and Dragon age.

This isn't a library.  Shushing people in a forum is really just less signal more noise.  Saying that you can't compare two games made by the same developer on a forum set up by the developer for discussing gaming is absolute silliness.

I swear ... sometimes it is like I am talking to a chicken.

Modifié par Elphaba, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:06 .

[miltos33]

There is a reason to compare the two games because they were made by the same developer. And this is how I compare them myself. DAO is a great fantasy strategy rpg and ME2 is a great sci-fi action rpg. People with different tastes may of course prefer one over the other. ME2 probably appears to be better on the surface simply because it was made on a newer third party engine and as a result it has much better graphics but that's about it really.

[David Gaider]

It's difficult to compare a game that's made with a new engine with one that is not -- Baldur's Gate 2 was made in much less time than the first, for instance, because it had an already-existing engine. It's a sweet spot to be in for a developer. You know what your engine is capable of and can simply tweak it and improve on it, devoting your time to adding content which you can see immediately in-game. Mass Effect 2 is the first game since Baldur's Gate 2 when we've been in that position, in fact.

Glad you enjoyed ME2, at any rate -- there are stylistic differences between the two games that may make people enjoy one game over the other regardless, and hopefully if a full sequel develops for Dragon Age we'll be in a similar boat. Which will be nice. Dragon Age has received a really excellent reception, both critically and from the fans, and it's always a pleasure to take that kind of foundation and build on it.

[Psymayn]

David Gaider wrote...

It's difficult to compare a game that's made with a new engine with one that is not -- Baldur's Gate 2 was made in much less time than the first, for instance, because it had an already-existing engine. It's a sweet spot to be in for a developer. You know what your engine is capable of and can simply tweak it and improve on it, devoting your time to adding content which you can see immediately in-game. Mass Effect 2 is the first game since Baldur's Gate 2 when we've been in that position, in fact.

Glad you enjoyed ME2, at any rate -- there are stylistic differences between the two games that may make people enjoy one game over the other regardless, and hopefully if a full sequel develops for Dragon Age we'll be in a similar boat. Which will be nice. Dragon Age has received a really excellent reception, both critically and from the fans, and it's always a pleasure to take that kind of foundation and build on it.

He said it.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Pfft...Gaider is lying, he totally just scribbled the whole plot down on a napkin as an afterthought.

[oblivionenss]

Elphaba wrote...

oblivionenss wrote...

But the point is there is no reason to compare Mass effect 2 and Dragon age.

This isn't a library.  Shushing people in a forum is really just less signal more noise.  Saying that you can't compare two games made by the same developer on a forum set up by the developer to discussing gaming is absolute silliness.

I swear ... sometimes it is like I am talking to a chicken.

yes this is a library didnt you see the sign outside??

But seriously though, you cant compare the two because ME 2 is build on an already existing engine and Mass effect 2 is based on the same engine as Mass effect,, alright??

[wonko33]

Some people need to stop taking things personally when someone doesn't like a game they like as much as they do.



OP has some valid points. And it is fine to compare both these games on the basis he used. He said graphics, plot line, depth of character. Now tell me why you could not compare those to DAO.



I agree with Gaider said though, the answer to OP is basically this is the "first gen" DAO where ME2 had a lot of the structure in place and it allowed the dev to go above and behond in certain aspects of the game.



DAO is a great game, IMO, but it might not be as refined as ME2. I think the OP got so much scorn because of the title to the thread, but his points were legitimate questions and Gaider gave him a good answer, relax folks....

[Wishpig]

This thread actually is an interesting topic and should not be flamed as the OP has some legit points, but...



A. More then a few people over on the ME2 forums say that DA:O is the superior game. So Stronghold, you may think ME2 is superior but others think diffrently. We all sometimes forget our opinion is just that... opinion.



B. It is unfair to compare DA:O to Mass Effect 2, rather compare it to ME, and I do think DA:O was superior to ME. As many have pointed out ME2 was built upon a stable system and had many of the pieces already in place before development even started.

[Sloth Of Doom]

The thread might be a valid topic, but the original post and thread title come across as blatant trolling. Generally, if you want to have a discussion you don't start off by flinging insults.

[dmcguk]

ME is more of a mainstream game then DA if you ask me , can see why people prefer it over DA even though DA to me is superior

[Bryant84]

different strokes for differnt folks personally i like scrumpy cider some people like larger this world would be pretty boring if everyone agreed with each other all the time

[YohkoOhno]

Some people forget that ME and ME2 are both based on Unreal Tech, which pretty much makes it easier for them to get that hybrid RPG/shooter thing, like Deus Ex did. They probably don't have to spend as much work with graphics on that one. With Dragon Age, everything was done (AFAIK) from scratch, because it has different needs.

[Wyndham711]

I personally prefer DA:O over ME2, but ME2 is still a superb game. It's so great that it makes me again realize how skilled BioWare is at making sequels. Which, in turn, makes me incredibly excited for the prospect of a Dragon Age 2!

[Pinkleaf]

Dragon age is far more in-depth with it's relationships, dialogue, cut scenes etc.
I would say the difference between these games is quite large, best described as such...

Playing Mass Effect is like reading a book.

Playing Dragon Age is like writing a book.

Modifié par Pinkleaf, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:02 .

[Mordaedil]

Stronghold II wrote...

 So Bioware, I love you guys, always have, but let's be honest here.

 Mass Effect 2 is superior to Dragon Age in every possible way. The graphics are tons better, the action and combat is much more smooth,  the story seems more detailed and fleshed out, the characters are more developed, I could go on and on.

 My question is why?

 Dragon Age was in development for what.......3 times as long as ME 2? Wasn't the dev time about 10 years? If not it was VERY close to it. Why is DA so far below the level that ME 2 is?

 Did you guys just get sick of working on it? Were you just ready to get the thing released after all this time? Is ME 2 the goldmine that EA was looking for, therefor more money was pumped into the project?

 I just don't get it.

 I didn't realize just how far behind DA was until I experienced the gloriousness of Mass Effect 2.

5 years. 2004. Released 2009. 5 years isn't very close to 10 years. It's twice the amount.

The reason why ME2 looks better is because ME and ME2 are using the Unreal Engine which is made by professionals and has already integrated support for several shaders and model methods to improve looks that Dragon Age needed to build from the scratch up. And no, they couldn't even use the NWN2 engine for this. They had to work with the NWN engine and improve that.

[Caozen]

Playing Mass Effect is like reading a book.

Playing Dragon Age is like writing a book.

[Stronghold II]

David Gaider wrote...

It's difficult to compare a game that's made with a new engine with one that is not -- Baldur's Gate 2 was made in much less time than the first, for instance, because it had an already-existing engine. It's a sweet spot to be in for a developer. You know what your engine is capable of and can simply tweak it and improve on it, devoting your time to adding content which you can see immediately in-game. Mass Effect 2 is the first game since Baldur's Gate 2 when we've been in that position, in fact.

Glad you enjoyed ME2, at any rate -- there are stylistic differences between the two games that may make people enjoy one game over the other regardless, and hopefully if a full sequel develops for Dragon Age we'll be in a similar boat. Which will be nice. Dragon Age has received a really excellent reception, both critically and from the fans, and it's always a pleasure to take that kind of foundation and build on it.

 This post right here is why Bioware is the GREATEST game developers in the world. The devs are humble and intelligent enough to know that there can always be improvements.

 I have been a a huge fan of Bioware since Baldur's Gate. Baldur's Gate 2 hooked me for life though, and I have been waiting all these years for a game to come along that would grab me up the way BG did. I was hoping that Dragon Age would be that game. Now don't get me wrong DA is a good solid game, and one that stands on it's own. It just does not stand up against Mass Effect 2.

 David, I enjoyed all of my time with Dragon Age. I laughed....I almost cried......I went through all the emotions. You sir are one of the greatest writers alive and I have nothing but respect for you. For me though ME2 has  aspects of gaming that I have missed since the glory days of Boo.

 If Bioware does with DA what they have done with ME then I have no doubt in my mind that DA will one day knock BG of it's mighty throne.

 

[tmelange]

Personal opinions should not be framed as irrefutable facts, or as the general consensus sans any way of polling everyone who has played and enjoyed both games. The OP is entitled to hir opinion, but when it's framed as an absolute (e.g. "Mass Effect 2 is superior to Dragon Age in every possible way.") it becomes offensive to those of us who vehemently disagree. My opinion: DAO trumps ME2 in every way that counts to me. I played DAO nonstop for 26 days. I just finished my first playthrough of ME2 at about 37 hours and I have no real desire to play it again right now, and I care not a whit about any of the characters in particular. I can't remember one great piece of dialogue. There's not one character I would quote. All the accolades I can heap upon ME2 (and there are many) are a direct result of it being the second in a series where there was the opportunity to address a lot of the original issues.

For its uniqueness, its high cinematic content, the successful meld of a shooter and RPG elements, the vastly improved combat and the overall professional quality of the project, I'd certainly say ME2 deserves GotY. However, DAO should get RPG of the Year, as the two don't compare on RPG elements, and DAO's quality is equally high and much better on a number of scales, e.g. dialogue, overall writing, character interaction, voice acting. That said, DAO is my GotY without qualification.

Modifié par tmelange, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:13 .

[Stronghold II]

Mordaedil wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...

 So Bioware, I love you guys, always have, but let's be honest here.

 Mass Effect 2 is superior to Dragon Age in every possible way. The graphics are tons better, the action and combat is much more smooth,  the story seems more detailed and fleshed out, the characters are more developed, I could go on and on.

 My question is why?

 Dragon Age was in development for what.......3 times as long as ME 2? Wasn't the dev time about 10 years? If not it was VERY close to it. Why is DA so far below the level that ME 2 is?

 Did you guys just get sick of working on it? Were you just ready to get the thing released after all this time? Is ME 2 the goldmine that EA was looking for, therefor more money was pumped into the project?

 I just don't get it.

 I didn't realize just how far behind DA was until I experienced the gloriousness of Mass Effect 2.

5 years. 2004. Released 2009. 5 years isn't very close to 10 years. It's twice the amount.

The reason why ME2 looks better is because ME and ME2 are using the Unreal Engine which is made by professionals and has already integrated support for several shaders and model methods to improve looks that Dragon Age needed to build from the scratch up. And no, they couldn't even use the NWN2 engine for this. They had to work with the NWN engine and improve that.

 Check your facts Sir.

 DA was announced before that, and in development before even that.

[wonko33]

Yeah if you think about it DAO compared to the original ME is superior. I loved ME but some of it seemed like an "afterthought" to quote OP

That DAO is so good enough on the first try that we compare it to ME2 sure bode well for the future of the franchise.

Like with every company, the DAO devs were probably pressured to get the game out and I beleive not everything is up to their own personal standards or what they wanted. But seeing how much they care for this game (i think it is evident by some of their posts here), we really do have a lot to look forward to as the series mature.

I have seen devotion like this too from the devs of the Witcher. And I am looking forward to see that series too

[Wishpig]

Mordaedil wrote...
5 years. 2004. Released 2009. 5 years isn't very close to 10 years. It's twice the amount.

The reason why ME2 looks better is because ME and ME2 are using the Unreal Engine which is made by professionals and has already integrated support for several shaders and model methods to improve looks that Dragon Age needed to build from the scratch up. And no, they couldn't even use the NWN2 engine for this. They had to work with the NWN engine and improve that.

Lol... you are so unbealibly wrong.

Look at the Witcher. GOD what a pretty game... made with the NwN engine which is older then the Dragon Age engine.

Look at the Witcher 2. Up to par with modern games graphically no doubt, made with Witcher's engine.

Check mate.

[RedSocialKnight]

David Gaider wrote...
... hopefully if a full sequel develops for Dragon Age ...

Eh? It hadn't occurred to me that this was seriously in question. I know EA took some knocks last year and is trying to shift some resources into casual gaming -- but they'd be fools not to fund something that was a big hit for them, surely?

/hastens to shell out for more of the DLC