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[RangerSG]

Comparing any initial game's aesthetics to a sequel is ludicrous.



Given the disaster that was ME's port to the PC, I'd say DA:O outperformed ME.



Now if/when DA2 hits, 'then' you can make a comparison. Not until then.

[Stronghold II]

RangerSG wrote...

Comparing any initial game's aesthetics to a sequel is ludicrous.

Given the disaster that was ME's port to the PC, I'd say DA:O outperformed ME.

Now if/when DA2 hits, 'then' you can make a comparison. Not until then.

 That's just silly.

[Stronghold II]

 Edit: double post

Modifié par Stronghold II, 30 janvier 2010 - 10:39 .

[RedSocialKnight]

Obviously, I think Dragon Age is just aces.



I do think that all the time and money that must have gone into the in-house engine did not have the world's best payoff. The state of the art passed Bioware by while they were working on it, and at release it already looked a bit dated -- to the extent that some of the most moving scenes in the game are undercut a little by the doll-like appearance of the models.



Kind of hoping they'll follow ME2 in licensing someone else's engine for the sequel. It's just too hard for a small house to keep up -- the Infinity Engine was an exception, but that's because it never tried to compete with the state of the art 3D graphics even of that time -- it looked fine, but it was successful because it was the perfect fit for the kind of games Bioware makes, not because it was the prettiest thing on the market.

[Creature 1]

David Gaider wrote...
hopefully if a full sequel develops for Dragon Age

You can have my first-born child, if it helps. 

[Morroian]

Stronghold II wrote...
 That's just silly.

Why?

[Stronghold II]

Creature 1 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
hopefully if a full sequel develops for Dragon Age

You can have my first-born child, if it helps. 

 I have a goat and a midget I can donate to the cause.

[Stronghold II]

Morroian wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...
 That's just silly.

Why?

 Because

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Was this thread an afterthought?

Just because you, personally, prefer ME2 means that DA was an afterthought? What a conceited, self-centered, idiotic stance.

This.

[RangerSG]

Stronghold II wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

Comparing any initial game's aesthetics to a sequel is ludicrous.

Given the disaster that was ME's port to the PC, I'd say DA:O outperformed ME.

Now if/when DA2 hits, 'then' you can make a comparison. Not until then.

 That's just silly.

No it's not. ME's port was a debacle. Not even playable on a high number of PCs that it was rated for spec-wise.

You're comparing a polished engine with established gameplay to a game with a brand-new engine and system.

It's like comparing NWN to Baldur's Gate 2 when NWN first came out. And if you don't think that comparison was bad for NWN, you weren't on the forum back then.

It's just not a valid comparison. And unlike your 'opinion,' I've given you precedent (one Bioware staff have made note of on this forum in the past as well).

And quite frankly, I prefer DA to ME in every aspect. I personally have a hard time considering ME a true RPG franchise. More like a shooter w/ RPG elements, like Jagged Alliance.

[RovingRube]

Pinkleaf wrote...

Playing Mass Effect is like reading a book.

Playing Dragon Age is like writing a book.

Yes!  Or, ME is like football and DA is like baseball ... I don't want too much ME in my DA or visa versa  ... Let them continue to diverge  to where we won't even think of comparing them any more.

[Stronghold II]

RangerSG wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

Comparing any initial game's aesthetics to a sequel is ludicrous.

Given the disaster that was ME's port to the PC, I'd say DA:O outperformed ME.

Now if/when DA2 hits, 'then' you can make a comparison. Not until then.

 That's just silly.

No it's not. ME's port was a debacle. Not even playable on a high number of PCs that it was rated for spec-wise.

You're comparing a polished engine with established gameplay to a game with a brand-new engine and system.

It's like comparing NWN to Baldur's Gate 2 when NWN first came out. And if you don't think that comparison was bad for NWN, you weren't on the forum back then.

It's just not a valid comparison. And unlike your 'opinion,' I've given you precedent (one Bioware staff have made note of on this forum in the past as well).

And quite frankly, I prefer DA to ME in every aspect. I personally have a hard time considering ME a true RPG franchise. More like a shooter w/ RPG elements, like Jagged Alliance.

 That's pretty silly as well.

[TyroneTasty]

I disagree but thanks for asking.

[Dahelia]

Stronghold II wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

Comparing any initial game's aesthetics to a sequel is ludicrous.

Given the disaster that was ME's port to the PC, I'd say DA:O outperformed ME.

Now if/when DA2 hits, 'then' you can make a comparison. Not until then.

 That's just silly.

No it's not. ME's port was a debacle. Not even playable on a high number of PCs that it was rated for spec-wise.

You're comparing a polished engine with established gameplay to a game with a brand-new engine and system.

It's like comparing NWN to Baldur's Gate 2 when NWN first came out. And if you don't think that comparison was bad for NWN, you weren't on the forum back then.

It's just not a valid comparison. And unlike your 'opinion,' I've given you precedent (one Bioware staff have made note of on this forum in the past as well).

And quite frankly, I prefer DA to ME in every aspect. I personally have a hard time considering ME a true RPG franchise. More like a shooter w/ RPG elements, like Jagged Alliance.

 That's pretty silly as well.

This just gives more facts that you are nothing but a troll. You cannot take the fact that many people here (which happens to be the DA forums) happen to actually like DA a lot more than ME...this is sad for the fact that you can't take it. Also, I am sure if you went to the ME forums and posted this, you would get the responses you like.  Try there.

[Morroian]

Stronghold II wrote...
 Because

If you can't debate a perfectly valid point in opposition to yours then you look like the troll you've denied being. Why don't you compare DAO to ME1?

[Stronghold II]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Was this thread an afterthought?

Just because you, personally, prefer ME2 means that DA was an afterthought? What a conceited, self-centered, idiotic stance.

 Just because my opinon differs from yours doesn't mean you have to get all butt hurt about it. That's a pretty self-centered, idiotic stance to take. Pretty conceited as well.......

 You are also a bit of a hypocrite. Complaining about trolling when that's pretty much all you TRY to do.

 and the mindless "this" that has followed is proof that people are sheep and are too afraid to think on their own.

 Blind rabid fanboyism does NOT help push this genre forward. One of the devs in this very thread admitted that the game could be better, why is it so hard for you to embrace that fact?

 So add some merit to your drivel or troll elsewhere.

[Stronghold II]

Morroian wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...
 Because

If you can't debate a perfectly valid point in opposition to yours then you look like the troll you've denied being. Why don't you compare DAO to ME1?

 It's not a valid point, it's a bit retarded in fact.

 I am comparing two Bioware games, two games that are both RPGs, and two games that were released rather close together. Where's the issue again?

 Oh....nevermind, I'll use the idiotic logic above and automatically assume that every sequel will be better than any game that comes first. 

 I liked the first Gears of War better than the second one.

 So there goes that theory. :/ 

 

[Morroian]

Stronghold II wrote...
 It's not a valid point, it's a bit retarded in fact.
 

But you've given no reasons as to why.

[TuringPoint]

Stronghold II wrote...

Dragon Age was a good game indeed......then Mass Effect 2 comes along.

I am just confused as to how a game that had a third of the dev time ended up so much better.

How can you say that the characters in Dragon Age are less well developed?  Have you ever tried speaking to them in camp?

Also, you are most certainly not presenting your opinion respectfully.  Thanks.

Modifié par Alocormin, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:08 .

[Stronghold II]

Morroian wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...
 It's not a valid point, it's a bit retarded in fact.
 

But you've given no reasons as to why.

 Here, I'll dumb it down for you a bit.

 Both are games YAY!

 Both are RPGs  YAY!!

 Both are made by Bioware YAY!

 Both have been released close together YAY!

 Explain to me again why I can't compare the two? I mean I would understand if I was comparing Dragon Age with a toaster..................but come on man.

[Dahelia]

Stronghold II wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...
 It's not a valid point, it's a bit retarded in fact.
 

But you've given no reasons as to why.

 Here, I'll dumb it down for you a bit.

 Both are games YAY!

 Both are RPGs  YAY!!

 Both are made by Bioware YAY!

 Both have been released close together YAY!

 Explain to me again why I can't compare the two? I mean I would understand if I was comparing Dragon Age with a toaster..................but come on man.

We really need a rolling eyes smilie...just for you...just for you. Your opinion is NOT fact...if you like ME so much more, go to the ME forum and post that there...you will get the same praises you are looking for. Here, you will NOT.

[Stronghold II]

Alocormin wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...

Dragon Age was a good game indeed......then Mass Effect 2 comes along.

I am just confused as to how a game that had a third of the dev time ended up so much better.

How can you say that the characters in Dragon Age are less well developed?  Have you ever tried speaking to them in camp?

Also, you are most certainly not presenting your opinion respectfully.  Thanks.

 No silly, I only use my game disc as a weapon of mass destruction fired from my CD cannon that George W Bush made for me while he was in office.

 What is this camp thing you speak of?

[Stronghold II]

Dahelia wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Stronghold II wrote...
 It's not a valid point, it's a bit retarded in fact.
 

But you've given no reasons as to why.

 Here, I'll dumb it down for you a bit.

 Both are games YAY!

 Both are RPGs  YAY!!

 Both are made by Bioware YAY!

 Both have been released close together YAY!

 Explain to me again why I can't compare the two? I mean I would understand if I was comparing Dragon Age with a toaster..................but come on man.

We really need a rolling eyes smilie...just for you...just for you. Your opinion is NOT fact...if you like ME so much more, go to the ME forum and post that there...you will get the same praises you are looking for. Here, you will NOT.

 OMG your opinon differs from mine GO AWAY GO AWAY!!!


 classic.

[tmelange]

RedSocialKnight wrote...

Obviously, I think Dragon Age is just aces.

I do think that all the time and money that must have gone into the in-house engine did not have the world's best payoff. The state of the art passed Bioware by while they were working on it, and at release it already looked a bit dated -- to the extent that some of the most moving scenes in the game are undercut a little by the doll-like appearance of the models.

Kind of hoping they'll follow ME2 in licensing someone else's engine for the sequel. It's just too hard for a small house to keep up -- the Infinity Engine was an exception, but that's because it never tried to compete with the state of the art 3D graphics even of that time -- it looked fine, but it was successful because it was the perfect fit for the kind of games Bioware makes, not because it was the prettiest thing on the market.

I think this is a very valid point of discussion, whether or not a person loves the game. I would be curious to know whether BW feels that the engine they spent so much time developing is now dated. IMHO, the graphics aren't the most important thing to me. Although it's popular to equate the level of enjoyment with the visual quality of a game, I find that the games I have enjoyed the most over the years have always been evaluated on criteria that had little to do with how the game looked from a 3D perspective.