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[bzombo]

Stronghold II wrote...

 So Bioware, I love you guys, always have, but let's be honest here.

 Mass Effect 2 is superior to Dragon Age in every possible way. The graphics are tons better, the action and combat is much more smooth,  the story seems more detailed and fleshed out, the characters are more developed, I could go on and on.

 My question is why?

 Dragon Age was in development for what.......3 times as long as ME 2? Wasn't the dev time about 10 years? If not it was VERY close to it. Why is DA so far below the level that ME 2 is?

 Did you guys just get sick of working on it? Were you just ready to get the thing released after all this time? Is ME 2 the goldmine that EA was looking for, therefor more money was pumped into the project?

 I just don't get it.

 I didn't realize just how far behind DA was until I experienced the gloriousness of Mass Effect 2.

apples and oranges. the sheer size of dragon age means that to have graphics like in me2 that we'd need even more than 20 gigs of hard drive space AND the requirements would be even more limiting. da focuses on story and the setting much more than graphics. me2 is a totaly different animal. remember, da was designed for the pc and ported over to consoles, while me2 was the exact opposite.

[koboldfodder72]

ME and ME2 are "slick" games. The gameplay is extremely repetitive for both, but everything is better produced. ME1 was very good, ME2 is great. They made improvements in the shooter aspect, which was the weak link in ME1 and they made the world smaller but more unique....meaning no planets that all look the same.



All three games are extremely repetitive and linear in their combat progression, but that is what Bioware does.



Dragon Age has a weaker graphics engine though and it is VERY noticeable when you fire up ME2...and because all three games are basically the same you would expect DA to have as good as graphics as ME2 but clearly they are not.

[spernus]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is a sequel. The orginal ME1's case of poorly executed ideas and buggy design is no different than that of Dragon Age. What's the lesson here, you ask?

Bioware has trouble developing original games. Expect Dragon Age 2 to be to be the improvement to this series that ME2 is to its its own.

This is a fact.One of the only one is this sorry excuse of a thread.

My guess is that Bioware is still stepping out of the garage league and into the pros.

They always had the writers,but gameplay designer and the tech wizard left a lot to be desired.

Mass effect 2 gameplay is top notch and Dragon age is actually good.Everything before that was very weak,even the Baldur's gate.It's because most critics are console centric,so they mostly care about polish and execution ( and they trashed Bioware hard for everything that wasn't properly executed).Let's not forget that Bioware was sloppy with every new IP they created,the worst being Jade empire( which was proof that they were rather clueless when it came to design solid gameplay at the time).It's also the reason why western game are less polished than the japanese one ( they have developed this skillset long ago,since you couldn't patch your game on the older console).

Modifié par spernus, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:44 .

[StarMars]

My guess is that Bioware is still stepping out of the garage league and into the pros.

I dunno what you are talking about. Bioware is already the best maker of RPG games. And to say that everything before Dragon Age was weak? Cmon dude, you have a very "different" taste. I think you are not best suited for RPGs. What other non-Bioware RPGs are good for you? JRPGs and the more casual RPGs? Bethesda is perhaps the strongest competitor but they still don't stand up to Bioware.

[VanDraegon]

Obvious troll bait thread. Trying too hard.

[Drasill]

I just started ME2 last night and so far I think Dragon Age was better.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

I love Dragon Age. I havent played ME 2 but I just finished ME the other day so when my husband went and bought it I could play it instead of just watching him play and drink beer. Not fun.

[Pinkleaf]

We all seem to have our preference, mine happens to be Dragon age, yet I think ME is a very enjoyable game to play.



I would like to think that we can agree on one thing, and that is, Bioware don't make games that flop.

Both games have risen the bar and broke the mould. :-)

[PapaPataters]

I prefer the fantasy genre over sci-fi anyday. I haven't played ME2 yet, but I'm currently playing the first Mass Effect. It's a decent 3rd person shooter, but not much of an RPG other than you can talk to people.



I like DA much more. Better RPG elements, and a better setting.

[Elanareon]

No, but Im sure EA poured more money there than DA. lol

[starralazn]

so the OP stated his opinion.

people of this forum attempted to sway that opinion or express their differing views.

OP replied to some responses coherently, to others he resorted to one word replies, read as ignoring those responses completely.

when asked why he is still here when he has not said anything more constructive, he proceeded to state that he likes inciting people to see how worked up they get.



why isnt he banned yet? isnt this bad forum behavior?

[Melca36]

I think the the under 25 gamers prefer ME2

[Melca36]

Stronghold II wrote...

Hollorous wrote...

To be perfectly honest you've made no valid points in this thread. The only thing you've said is you thought ME2 was a better game in every way than DA.  That's not fact, it's opinion. There is no way you can prove that ME2 is better since both can be good and when two things are good its a matter of preference.

 What exactly is your point?

 I think ME2 is better in every way.

 Others don't.

 and there have been several facts throwed around, not my fault if people only read the title of this thread.

I think you are an under 25 gamer that can't grasp the fact that some people enjoy Dragon Age a bit more.

[Noviere]

I love both DAO and ME2. I think I enjoyed DAO more though. It's got more content, and I found the characters had much more dialogue, depth, and party interaction than the ME2 characters. I also preferred the combat system in DAO, but that is completely subjective...



ME2 shined in presentation -- the graphics are beautiful, and the whole game is very cinematic. It's like an awesome sci-fi movie.

[Pinkleaf]

Noviere wrote...

I love both DAO and ME2. I think I enjoyed DAO more though. It's got more content, and I found the characters had much more dialogue, depth, and party interaction than the ME2 characters. I also preferred the combat system in DAO, but that is completely subjective...

ME2 shined in presentation -- the graphics are beautiful, and the whole game is very cinematic. It's like an awesome sci-fi movie.

Dragon Age: First game ever were I found myself having deep feelings for little pixels floating about on my monitor, amazing achievement when you come to think about it.

ME2: I agree with what Noviere says about this.

[Ely75]

Pinkleaf wrote...

Dragon Age: First game ever were I found myself having deep feelings for little pixels floating about on my monitor, amazing achievement when you come to think about it.

This. While ME and ME2 sure have their moments, DA:O is absolutely fantastic when it comes to characters. I also prefer the combat style of DA:O and the "heavier" rpg elements.

Modifié par Ely75, 31 janvier 2010 - 11:17 .

[Andat]

Dragon Age: Origins is a well-made, fully developed game. Not an afterthought. On that note, have they tweaked the tactics system in ME so it doesn't suck? Doesn't look like it.



Gamespot describe it as something that's more 3rd person shooter than RPG. If that's what you want then that's what you want.

[AsheraII]

Andat wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins is a well-made, fully developed game. Not an afterthought. On that note, have they tweaked the tactics system in ME so it doesn't suck? Doesn't look like it.

Gamespot describe it as something that's more 3rd person shooter than RPG. If that's what you want then that's what you want.

ME2 is slightly more geared towards tactical solutions of fights than ME was. Slightly more opportunity to use your special abilities etc. The targetting has been made more intuitive as well, the heavy swaying while in sniper mode has been toned down a little bit for example.

There's still not too much to talk about with your team, DA:O really has more depth in that department. But there are some nice details everywhere. One of the (non-squad) NPC's is a smoker, for example. And they've really paid attention to things like how he holds his cigarette, how he rolls it between his fingers and how he discards the ashcone. And there's a lot of details like that all over the place (though I don't think the female toilets look really comfy).

But, that's visuals. Visually, I'd agree that ME2 is the stronger of the two. Character depth wise, DA:O is the stronger of the two. For gameplay: they're simply ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAMES! Comparing their gameplay really is like comparing apples and oranges. I like both apples and oranges, some apple races taste better than other apple races, some orange races taste better than other orange races. These two games are of a good apple race and a good orange race. Things would've been easier to compare if the apple was of a very sour race whille the orange was of a nice and sweet orange race. Or the other way round. But both are good within their own category, and that's where all comparison ends.

[miltos33]

This reminds me of some threads in the Bethesda forums where right after the release of Fallout 3 a few people started saying that Oblivion was no more than a training ground for Fallout 3. Although I personally liked Fallout 3 more than Oblivion I don't think that this was the developer's intention.



There is always a honeymoon period when a new game is released so comments like this are to be expected but that doesn't mean that Dragon Age was an afterthought. Give it another month or so until the Awakening is released and I am sure that some people will start saying that Bioware cares more for Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 is simply a secondary project.

[Lord Phoebus]

I'll agree that Bioware could have put some more effort into the graphics engine, but other than that I don't think this game was an afterthought.

[Abriael_CG]

Stronghold II wrote...
 Mass Effect 2 is superior to Dragon Age in every possible way.

Is it? I would say it is inferior in almost every possible way, while a good game.

The graphics are tons better

No, actually they are not. They are just a different approach. The Dragon Age engine needs to be able to display tons more characters on screen (given the large battle scenes), so it's normal that each character model utilizes less polygons. Also, Dragon Age's areas and environments are much larger and much more detailed. ME2's ones are tiny ultra-linear and pretty undetailed. It's simply a trade-off.
Moreover, while the ME models utilyze more poligons in general, their faces (expecially for humans) are quite a lot less detailed, resulting in a pretty much flawed expressiveness.

the action and combat is much more smooth

If you like glorified third person shoters more than actual RPGs, that's your problem, not the game's (given that ME2 is really not an RPG despite being called that, it's been dumbed down to oblivion since ME1 to appease the shooter goons). I'm afraid many here disagree with your misguided opinion, and prefer a full fledged RPG that actually gives you complete control over the action, over a flat shooter in which most of the control over your teammates is  held by one of the stupidest artificial intelligence in history.
If I had a penny for every time one of my teammates placed themselves right in front of my face preventing me to shoot, I'd be rich.

the story seems more detailed and fleshed out, the characters are more developed, I could go on and on.

... right to the gutter. There's nothing in any character of the whole mass effect saga that's even comparable to the Dragon Age ones, there's much less evolution and developement in ME2 than in DA:O, and the characters are simply more flat. Maybe you have a thing for aliens? (expecially because the expressiveness of M2's human characters is so wacky it's really unworthy of Bioware...)
Also, the story in ME2 is not all that, It shows it's mostly just a transition between ME1 and ME3. Expecially compared to Dragon Age's epic story.

I didn't realize just how far behind DA was until I experienced the gloriousness of Mass Effect 2.

It's lovely how some people see some shiny and think the game is "superior". Sad to see how shallow games are become. Fun part, is that they go to a game's forum trying to brag on how ANOTHER game is superior, and have the guts to call OTHERS trolls.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:17 .

[Varasin]

Bioware hit a home run on both games.

[Laitus]

I, personally, think that Mass Effect 2 is a better game, but I mean that in no possible way as a slight against Dragon Age. Dragon Age is the first traditional fantasy setting to grip my imagination since middle school, about 14 years ago. I love the world, and I love the game.



Also, as has been said many times in this thread, DA:O is the first in its series, and shouldn't be compared to a sequel built on an existing engine. I think most people would agree that, regardless of which is better, the two games are of close levels of quality, and that is a feat for a just out of the gate game like Dragon Age.

[SeanMurphy2]

Also although Dragon Age had a long development time.



I think in the early years it was just a small group writing the lore and coming up with ideas. Rather than being in full production with a huge team.



Whilst a game like ME2 would have had a full team working on it as soon as the first game was finished.

[Bryy_Miller]

... am I the only one that thinks ME2 is more of an RPG than ME1?