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[TheLostGenius]

The connection behind the secrecy and the nearly limitless resources makes the Illusive Man seem so similar to the Shadow Broker...anyone else thought this could be possible? 

[Litos456]

Yeah but Liara said that the Shadow Broker wanted to sell Shepard's body to the collectors but she took it from him and gave it to Cerberus/TIM. So... no, he can't be it, because he didn't sell Shepard to the collectors.

[MatronAdena]

the illusive man himself in comic, in game, and I believe in the second book make a point that the shadow broker is more or less his rival.

[xMister Vx]

Either that, or he has a split personality, or it was all a Xanatos Gambit... No, actually, this part of the plot really interests me. How do several (i think there are more than two) extremely influential "galactic underworld" figures exist? Basically the Shadow Broker would be an incredible pain in the arse of the Illusive Man, 'cause he can sell information about Cerberus. They must have some kind of "peace" between them - if, of course, they're not one and the same.

[Mlow44]

when shepard asks the Illusive Man about Liara, he says "My resources tell me she could be working for the Shadow Broker, in which case she can't be trusted." In the first Mass Effect, the Shadow Broker was backing Admiral Kahoku to infiltrate Cerberus, too. plus i believe evidence places the Shadow Broker as some kind of alien. can't remember where i got this particular idea, but i'm pretty sure the Shadow Broker's been around since before humans discovered the mass relay. think it's safe to draw the Shadow Broker does not = Illusive Man

[mcvxiii]

The Illusive Man and the Shadow Broker having similarities doesn't surprise me at all. Mass Effect has a lot of duplication of things -- sometimes it is the opposite side of the coin and most times it is the same side of the coin. Protheons, rachni, krogan, the thorian, the reaper's threat to the universe all have a common thread of extinction. Geth, the credit stealing AI, the rogue AI on luna. There are many, many examples of this duplication.



I think that both are under the fluence of an "alien" power.

[TheLostGenius]

Mlow44 wrote...

when shepard asks the Illusive Man about Liara, he says "My resources tell me she could be working for the Shadow Broker, in which case she can't be trusted." In the first Mass Effect, the Shadow Broker was backing Admiral Kahoku to infiltrate Cerberus, too. plus i believe evidence places the Shadow Broker as some kind of alien. can't remember where i got this particular idea, but i'm pretty sure the Shadow Broker's been around since before humans discovered the mass relay. think it's safe to draw the Shadow Broker does not = Illusive Man

Thats true but the illusive man could be lying to you and manipulating Liara...its very possible that they are one and the same!

[jimmyjoefro]

I always pictured the Shadow Broker as a Volus, for some reason.

[PathofDaggers]

No the shadow broker is......Blasto


But seriously, I am curious about TIM's funding, where he gets his seemingly unlimited resources and how he gets all his information before anyone else. Not to mention when he said that information is his business or something like that, I think it was right before or right after the derelect ship. But, judging from the first issue of the comic, Im pretty certain SB be one of the main characters in the last chapter of the Trilogy, seeing as how he [ spoilers for people that havent read the comic] was working with the collectors in the comic. But that right there is also proof that it isnt TIM.

Modifié par PathofDaggers, 30 janvier 2010 - 09:28 .

[TheLostGenius]

Shadow Broker could be The Illusive Man...he could be working both ends. Creating conflicts to profit, getting shepard to take Collector technology so he can overthrow the Citadel government. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the main plot hinges in ME3 is The Illusive Man's/Shadow Broker's bid for power.

[Atrum Angelus]

The one thing that got me about when asking the Illusive Man about Liara is he seems to completely clam up. I mean, he just lets the info fly when you ask him about the other members of your old team and he's like "No idea. Moving on." Which seemed out of sorts for a man who seems to love his info.



As for the Shadow Broker buying info on the Cerberus, if the Illusive Man and the Shadow Broker are one in the same, he could be simply seeing what information exactly the others have on him and buy getting said info from his "rival" persona, it wouldn't look strange.

[Anthropophobic]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I always pictured the Shadow Broker as a Volus, for some reason.

Same. Probably because the first guy you meet who works for the Shadow Broker is Barla Von, who is a volus.

[TPBHatchet]

i dont think TIM is the SB, although im certain we'll get a chance to kill him in 3 as im sure liara will want it done.



I assumed the SB would be a long living race like an asari or krogan, not a human as well.



although, going back to what TheLostGenius said, TIM seemed pretty pissed off when I destroyed the collector's base.

[Gvaz]

TIM is the SB



barla von is just the SB's helper



TIM says liara is working for the SB but that's not true, she's trying to kill the SB



If you remember from the first comic, harbinger is talking to the SB and he sounds like he's playing both sides of the field



ultimately, its obvious that TIM wants reaper technology, see the new book coming out, cerberus is gonna infuse that guy with reaper tech

[DarthCaine]

Sten:

No

[_Dejanus]

I have a theory that The Shadow Broker has a room like The Illusive Man's, but on the other end of that sun. They stare at each other in simmering hatred, both too afraid of reprisal to venture an attack.



Its like Lucky Number Slevin, I guess.

[speedy111280]

After knowing what Liara did after you died I'm convinced TIM is not the Shadow Broker, what they both wanted to do with your body is completely at odds with one another. TIM needs Shepard alive to stop the Reapers, the Shadow Broker wants to turn your body over to the Collectors.

I'm actually starting to wonder if the Shadow Broker isn't someone/a group being controlled by a Reaper (maybe Harbinger). What better way to spy on your enemies especially since those being controlled do not necessarily know they are indoctrinated.

Modifié par speedy111280, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:06 .

[SmilingMirror]

I don't sympathize with either of them. They're both dangerous criminals.



TIM is not SB, the shadow broker has been around longer and they work against each other.

[mcvxiii]

The Shadow Broker existed long before humanity entered on the scene. If TIM is indeed the force behind the Shadow Broker he would have had to have obtained that control only recently. I don't think that either organization is connected by it's leadership, the goals of each appear to be quite different.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

The other point is that the whole idea behind TIM being SB and vice versa is so in your face that is imply does not fit within the construct of how they've been doing ME1 and ME2.

Realistically speaking, BioWare moved away from that quite awhile ago because it's a rather cliché plot device that's drastically overused.

The biggest argument against that is Kreai in KOTOR II. However she's presented from the getgo as someone who's up to something really sneaky and is using you for some unnamed goal so it really doesn't qualify. TIM's presented much the same way.

I also don't think he's involved with the Reapers. If anything, I'd be more inclined to believe that he's not human and is in opposition of the Reapers for his own personal ends that really don't coincide with saving humanity. I think he is fully aware of why the Reapers have a special intrest in humanity and wants to tap that for his own personal ends, rather than let the Reapers do it.

Another possibility is that he's a rogue AI, again with his own agenda that doesn't necessarily mean saving humanity aside from denying the Reapers.

ie: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.....

Modifié par ShadowWolf_Kell, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:40 .

[seig das black]

the liiusive man is all bout humanity while the shadow broker deals with any one there not the same ppl or programs as im thinking the illusive man is a ai created at some point by either the allaince or just some tech company of the humans and it got away from um ...even possible that he is a reeaper that saw the error of his ways perhaps

Modifié par seig das black, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:33 .

[Nigawatts]

Also the Shadow Broker has probably been around a lot longer than the Illusive Man has.

[Homebound]

TheLostGenius wrote...

The connection behind the secrecy and the nearly limitless resources makes the Illusive Man seem so similar to the Shadow Broker...anyone else thought this could be possible? 

The Shadow Broker and the illusive man are two different identities.

The Shadow Broker trades information and gives services to all sentient species. 

The illusive man finds information, uses information for profit, and exclusively uses it for humanity's benefit.


Also Liara I hear stole your dead corpse from the shadow broker so Cerberus can rebuilt you.

In conclusion; no.

[MA5Bergey]

Conrad Verner is actually the Shadow Broker. His street persona is just an act to get him undercover and close to the action.