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[Nightwriter]

They'll do it with music, obviously, and since they can't sing in ways we can hear they'll hire Prince to do it.





To save the galaxy you must find a replacement singer as quickly as possible, or all will be lost in an explosive rendition of "When Doves Cry".

Modifié par Nightwriter, 01 juin 2010 - 02:38 .

[prizm123]

i felt bad destroying the base on my full paragon playthrough, and here is why



TIM believes you about the Reaper threat, believes in you so much that he brought you back from the dead, gave you his best operatives, gave you the most advanced ship in the galaxy, gave you information on recruiting the best and most lethal band of people, even ones that are not human and who in fact despise Cerberus and all it supposedly stands for, allows you to make the calls on who to recruit and gives you free reign on your recruiting, shows what i feel is genuine concern when you are about to go through the Omega 4 relay, and is willing to do whatever it takes to help you take down this enormous threat even though he understands that there are other forces that will not tolerate him or his organization and will oppose him at every turn



i don't necessarily believe that TIM is as evil as some may make him out to be, and from thinking about a lot of things that you see across both games, seems to have a moral code and is trying to clean up the mistakes of the past...... he is no saint, but all things considered, I think he has earned the benefit of a doubt

[Nightwriter]

That is something I have never thought of before, why does TIM believe you about the Reapers?

What does Cerberus know that the rest of the galaxy does not? Preferably I'd like an answer other than, "They're just better informed like that, man."

Anyway, TIM is an extremely morally ambiguous character, ambiguous enough that I have no problem about not feeling sorry for him. There's just such an extreme lack of innocence about him I'd have a hard time feeling sorry for anything I did to him...

[prizm123]

i forgot to add, if you are worried about indoctrination, well, you get the 2 most technologically savvy groups of people to work together to figure out a way of fighting it or perhaps maybe they would be immune.... i am looking at you Quarians and Geth.....

[STG]

Nightwriter wrote...

That is something I have never thought of before, why does TIM believe you about the Reapers?

What does Cerberus know that the rest of the galaxy does not? Preferably I'd like an answer other than, "They're just better informed like that, man."

Ah, Shepard. You survived our encounter on Omega. But I've changed since then... improved. Harbinger has... upgraded me.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

prizm123 wrote...

i don't necessarily believe that TIM is as evil as some may make him out to be, and from thinking about a lot of things that you see across both games, seems to have a moral code and is trying to clean up the mistakes of the past...... he is no saint, but all things considered, I think he has earned the benefit of a doubt

Yeah... Read the novels and see if you still believe this.

[Chuvvy]

Closed my eyes and picked. The way I solve every problem.

[Nightwriter]

Damn. Don't have the DLC.Something to do with some graybox or something, I take it?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 01 juin 2010 - 04:41 .

[Pacifien]

Nightwriter wrote...
Damn. Don't have the DLC.Something to do with some graybox or something, I take it?

Records Keiji's (Kasumi's boyfriend) memories. He found data connecting the Alliance to something that could make them look incredibly bad to their Council allies. There's a brief flash of an image of a Reaper.

[Nightwriter]

Are there any hints pointing to Cerberus in any way?

[BigC-VI]

I too as a paragon, saved the base. I went in with the thought that, "We need to save out galaxy, by any means necessary"



Honestly, what I'm hoping for, is for Cerberus to be an enemy for ME2. I want to see two thing. 1. TIM getting a little too crazy with the base, and therefore, Shep killing him. and 2. TIM sending Zaeed after the paragon. I mean, he's got his money, and then TIM, if you take the Paragon choices and tell him to F**k off, hires Zaeed to end you seeing as TIM has the base.



I guess 2 would come before 1....but you get it.....right?

[Zulu_DFA]

Nightwriter wrote...

Are there any hints pointing to Cerberus in any way?

No, not really. But such a hint would make it the last straw, don't you think?

[Zulu_DFA]

BigC-VI wrote...

I too as a paragon, saved the base. I went in with the thought that, "We need to save out galaxy, by any means necessary"

Honestly, what I'm hoping for, is for Cerberus to be an enemy for ME2. I want to see two thing. 1. TIM getting a little too crazy with the base, and therefore, Shep killing him. and 2. TIM sending Zaeed after the paragon. I mean, he's got his money, and then TIM, if you take the Paragon choices and tell him to F**k off, hires Zaeed to end you seeing as TIM has the base.

I guess 2 would come before 1....but you get it.....right?

I doubt TIM will be killable. He is too precious for the franchise. Even much more so, if he goes pure evil.

[Nosirah]

On my first playthrough, I blew up the base; didn't really feel bad and despised everything Cerberus stood for.



On the second playthrough, philosophy kicked in:

Do I really want to impede technological progress just because Tim can't be trusted? Morally I couldn't blow up the ship. The base could jump humanity's technology forward several hundred (if not thousand) years. The only problem is that I still despise Tim and his motivations. I only trust him slightly due to how intensive the Lazarus project was.



However there isn't a doubt in my mind that he will use it for his own agenda. None of the crew support the decision not even Shepard (if you notice the final conversation with the illusive man). I have mixed feelings, but I think that this is just as important as the Europeans discovering gunpowder (or the humans discovering Mass Relays.)

[Zulu_DFA]

[nubbers666]

i for one think that there is more to the base and i think it would back fire and be used against us like a virus or something that would give the reapers full control and personally the very thought of it in Cerberus hands is something that gives me night mares



but i intend on playing every side of the story line so i saved it once and destroyed it another time

[Prince of Kemet]

Is the "Leviathan of Dis" a reaper or something else completely different?

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Nightwriter wrote...

They'll do it with music, obviously, and since they can't sing in ways we can hear they'll hire Prince to do it.





To save the galaxy you must find a replacement singer as quickly as possible, or all will be lost in an explosive rendition of "When Doves Cry".

Prince is a extraordinary singer... dude can rock entire galaxies...  probably establish the first intergalactic concert of pure awesomeness (between galaxies)

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 11 juillet 2010 - 06:51 .

[Vaeron]

My paragon saved it too, tho I've since had second thoughts about it and thankfully have a game saved right before that final scene... I didn't play ME1 until right before I bought ME2, and I rushed through the game just to get into part 2...



So I never even encountered Cerberus in ME1, and was always surprised to earn renegade points in ME2 everytime I said anything like "let's give Cerberus a chance" even when the huge investment in the Lazarus Project shows how seriously they take the Reaper threat.



So I don't really know why Cerberus has such a bad rep, outside of the whole Jack and Overlord thing. I played the game with no outside knowledge, and TIM didn't in any way seem evil to me. I finished the game with maxed out paragon, and 1 full bar of renegade that, for the most part I don't even know what actions triggered.



It's likely Cerberus will end up indoctrinated and the Collector Base will completely offset the bridge-building I did with the rachni, geth, and krogans. But I've decided to stick with my original choice, with the idea in my head that the debt is now paid in full - I don't owe the Illusive Man anything else.

[Bad King]

I've looked at reasons for keeping or blowing the base.



I have 3 main charactera- A Paragon, a Renegade and a more neutral guy (a mix).

I blew it with my Para, kept it with my renegade, and so with my neutral guy I had to choose...



I went with keeping it. I checked a few of the arguments against keeping the base and examined them:



1). A point a lot of people make is that the base could indoctrinate and corrupt any cerberus team experimenting there- similar to what happened to the derelict reaper. This indoctrination could be caused by reaper technology implanted around the base. While this is a fair point, I realised a few things which undermined the validity of this argument. Firstly the base contains collectors. As they have been implanted with cybernetics and modified genetically, the reapers don't need to have equipment to indoctrinate them- they don't need indoctrination! However what if the reapers have indoctrination devices as a means of defending the base should it be taken from the collectors? Again, unlikely- the Omega 4 relay debris field as well as the legions of collectors meant that losing the base was highly unlikely- I'm going to take a leap of faith and assume that the Reapers did not expect the base to be taken and thus didn't take the necessary precautions of laying indoctrination devices in the base.



2). Another argument was that humanity should not dabble in technology that is way beyond their time. Looking at the effect of the Salarians giving tech to the Krogan (thus inevitably triggering the Krogan rebellions) this argument appears valid. However keeping the base wouldn't be the first time humanity have used reaper/collector technology: Okeer made deals with the collectors in order to further his plans of creating a Krogan super soldier- thus Grunt was made partly through the use of collector tech. Grunt was a valuable asset to the team and didn't end up screwing things up. The Thanix cannon is also based on advanced reaper tech, again this was a valuable piece of technology- it helped wreck the collector cruiser. Even EDI was based on reaper tech! If it weren't for EDI, I doubt the suicide mission would ever have succeeded (although who knows? She may yet turn on us in ME3!).



3). Perhaps the most sinister point raised would be TIM's long term goals with the reaper base. I can bet keeping the base will mean that a lot of unethical cerberus style experiments will be performed on the base's technology. On top of this cerberus may even gain a lot of power from the base's tech putting them far ahead of any other faction in the galaxy, and perhaps, in the long term securing cerberus's dominance over the galaxy (which is most likely a bad thing unless TIM is replaced by a nicer leader ). My only justification for this is that keeping the base may save many lives from the reapers.



I must agree, it really was a tough decision.

[Count Viceroy]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Is the "Leviathan of Dis" a reaper or something else completely different?

It's supposedly organic. So no, not a reaper.

[Bad King]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Is the "Leviathan of Dis" a reaper or something else completely different?

It's supposedly organic. So no, not a reaper.

I read on the wiki that the Leviathan of Dis was a reference to the 'Farscape' series (there are massive organic starships called leviathans on it). This could mean that the leviathan was just an easter egg and nothing more (a.k.a it will be forgotten about in ME3). Then again we can never be certain, maybe the leviathan will return in ME3 and we will have to fight the Batarians for it.