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[Edner132435]

Auraad wrote...

I agree with the OP.
This game is by far TOO much a strategy game than a ROLE playing game... most fanboys here don't want to hear that (I know), it's still true all together.

Stop making generalizations please. It's a classic RPG where thought/strategy is essential. If you started playing RPgs with Oblivion, I can understand your point. Some people don't want to be handed everything in the game with minimal effort, if you do, that's absolutely fine, how you play is how you want to play. But don't say everyone is blind because they don't agree with your view.

[Paper Ninja]

lol? You have to be kidding me. This game is not that hard. I'm playing on normal and I haven't wiped once. You can even lose a guy and he'll get back up after the fight. Keep your heavily armored guys up front, your weaker in the back, and send your rogues around to flank. Strategy 101. This ain't NWN and your character is not a 1 man army. I've created a tactic for Morgana where if she gets hit by a melee attack, she goes into Spider form. It works wonders.

[The_Krilly]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Another pro-tip from me, that master:

Go around the corner, AROUND THE CORNER.

Seconded.

[Mescalito]

The major difference between Easy mode and Normal (besides enemies being stronger) is the fact that your own party is subject to friendly fire.



Having your team mates standing before a mage firing a cone of fire is deadly. Having them stand near a "walkind dead" foe dying - who then explodes - is deadly.



I think it's critical to pay attention to where your party members stand relative to each other.

[carlosjuero]

Just because the game isn't meeting your expectations/difficulty curve.. doesn't mean its 'crap'. It just isn't the game for you, thats all there is to it.



I play on normal and it isn't impossible for me, and I am not a hardcore player by any means. If you feel something is off in the game then, instead of ranting and raving on how it sucks, why not provide some legible feedback?



You don't ever play games on easy... and that is BioWares fault how? I play games on easy all the time if Normal/++ are too difficult for me. There is nothing wrong with doing that.



To other posters: don't insult the OP because of his views, not everyone will like the game. He could have posted a bit better than just ranting, but we don't need to devolve this thread into a 'you suck'/'no i don't you do' thread.

[xioth]

Hmm... I don't know what's going on with your game, man. I mean..I have wiped a couple of times, but nothing to the extent that you are experiencing. Maybe you should try switching up your party mechanics? Switch out your tank for another.. change up your DPS.



Others are getting through the game just fine, so it's hard for me to believe that the game is *too* tough. It's not on easy-mode, I will give you that, but perhaphs you just need to rethink your tactics? Maybe your skills tree is the "jack-of-all-trades" instead of solid in any-one category?



If not.. sorry you spent your $65 on a game you don't like o.O

[NetBeansAndJava]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Chris_Really_Rocks wrote...

Try using tactics. Equipment and buffs alone are not enough, Try to analyze why you are dying and devise a strategy. This isn't a hack-n-slash rpg -- tactics are essential.

Analization:

1. Enemies pretend my tank isn't even there.
2. My DPS characters are being hit twice as hard as they hit the enemy.
3. That F*bleep*ING heal-spell cooldown!
4. I'm not particularly stockpiled with healingpots.
5. I rather die fighting than spamming all my healingpots down the throat in a single battle.
6. Tanks are useless because they don't have AoE skills.

1. Use taunt and that buff that increases threat (threatening?)
2. ... sounds like an exageration
3. that's what pots are for.
4. I've ended up w/ tons... use herbalism if you're lacking some
5. agreed
7. taunt is aoe.  if you're having a mage spam aoe, maybe you should get 2 tanks.

Additional tips:

1) corners help w/ ranged attackers, since they can't LOS you, they need to run to you. 
2) Higher ground can protect your ranged characters by preventing the enemy from getting to them.
3) Run if you need to.  Don't just try to stick it out, if things aren't going well.  If you have the space, run.  Often enemies won't follow forever.  You can retreat and when they turn, use a slowing ability or CC to get the stragglers... then pick them off when they are alone.  Repeat as needed.
4) Micro up the wazoo.  The party AI sucks even w/ how customizable it can be, imo.  I just turn it off and tell them what needs to be done.
5) Know what buffs to use.  Don't go in w/ flame weapons if you only have 1 melee.  Conversely, if you have 3 melee, flame weapons rocks!
6) Pull w/ a bow or staff.  Often enemy clusters are actually composed of
smaller groups.  You can easily pull 1 or 2 off the major group with a
bow or staff from a long distance.
7) focus fire
8) keep the biggest enemy CC'd if possible while you focus fire and kill all the smaller ones.  typically the big enemy takes forever to kill, so you're only taking dmg if you don't kill the small ones first.

hope that helps.

[Torowa]

Paper Ninja wrote...

 if she gets hit by a melee attack, she goes into Spider form

Love it. Going to add that to my tactics tonight.

[lv12medic]

Maybe I'm weird, but I actually enjoy having my team getting slaughtered. Its fun to analyze the whole "what the heck just happend?" thing. But I found above all things... mobility and sticking together is key to survival, with a little bit of luck thrown in. If your party gets seperated too much, individuals can be picked off rather easily. And getting pinned down in one place usually equals death for me. A lot of times, I'll be fighting a guy, have to turn around, shield bash another target to the ground and fall back away from Archers or Mages. Sometimes when you fight, you have to think about how to fall back, becuase if you're escape route is blocked, then it turns into a slug-fest which you usually can't win because you are usually out-numbered.

[Nighteye2]

GumbyTheBorg wrote...

I do HUGE tactics. Using geography to my advantage, pulling on part of a group my way to make it more manageable, making sure to flank enemies and be behind them. Using stun spells and healing spells. I press space bar 400 per fight so that I may micro-manage every single move of every single one of my party members. But in most fights, I usually totally run out of potions and mana and eventually, party members. I use Acids, poisons and maximime the ability usage of each of my party members. Each fight takes me about 15 minutes to run and almost invariably, my party gets wiped. Like I said: NO FUN + TOTAL FRUSTRATION = ME NO PLAY. Bioware really screwed up on that one.

Maybe you're using the wrong tactics? I'm playing on hard and haven't yet had any serious trouble, with most fights being over within a few minutes and without even needing to use any potions except in the boss fights...

[Striker257]

Sounds like you just suck bro. Either practice practice practice or go easy.

[Firedorn]

Ummm...this game is a role playing game that does not forgive jumping into a fight against a bunch of flesh eating vicious beasts from the netherworld without any form of strategy. Would you just jump into a fray of black blooded zombies? I think not...you'd wanna use your brain a little, lest they eat it.



BTW, did you wipe on the kitchen rats?

[danyvatt]

I think it is funny that you are so afraid to turn it to easy. The game is meant to be fun. If they just called easy "normal", you would never know the difference.

[Theronyll Itholien]

WeeRLegion wrote...

Threads like this make me wait all the more eagerly for my copy of the game due to arrive tomorrow.
I know tons of good games, but the ones I remember best are those that offered a real challenge, they're always more rewarding.

Hardcore games FTW! GO BIOWARE!

I was sounding the same way you do. Wait till you get your hands on the game.

I'm telling you, those people who say the game isn't hard or frustrating are the people who don't mind spending most of their time preparing for combat and buffing up etc.

I myself don't like that. I like the story, the dialogues and the pew-pew combat. DA:O is too much strategy I guess. I can't be arsed to buff up and debuff the enemy. I want to rain fire and hell down on them. I want my Gray Warden to be such a freakin' heroic dude he can decapitate 8 darkspawn in a single blow.. for example.
And seriously, if you are as skilled as Duncan told you to be then you should indeed be able to rather easily fight off 2 or 3 enemies on your own. In this game, however, you have to make sure you have a healthpotion with you een when engaging in a 1 vs 1 fight.

/yawn

I just wanna kill stuff and get on with it.

PS: In the end I really really think I often die due to Dog. I love that beast, but he's just way less sufficient than a humanoid partymember.

[Banksy18]

 This game sounds ace. The fact that it's hard to play even on easy. That's how a true 18+ mature game should be. Loads of blood and fatalities too. Sounds good. I can't wait to play it tomorrow when i get it! x

[emyln]

You have 8 achievements so far so I'm guessing that you completed your Origins quest and even completed the initial Ogre Boss battle. So I'm guessing this post is out of frustration.



Do you have a balanced party? A tank perhaps? The game later on can be very challenging at times. If you expect to complete a game with eg. 3 mages and a rouge, you'd better have damn good tactics/strategy as well as micro manage the heck out of all 4 characters.



Barring any real decent info from you on party make up and strategy you are using I'll having to assuming you have a challenging party make-up and are just rushing into battle expecting a FFXII experience.

[Theronyll Itholien]

NetBeansAndJava wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Chris_Really_Rocks wrote...

Try using tactics. Equipment and buffs alone are not enough, Try to analyze why you are dying and devise a strategy. This isn't a hack-n-slash rpg -- tactics are essential.

Analization:

1. Enemies pretend my tank isn't even there.
2. My DPS characters are being hit twice as hard as they hit the enemy.
3. That F*bleep*ING heal-spell cooldown!
4. I'm not particularly stockpiled with healingpots.
5. I rather die fighting than spamming all my healingpots down the throat in a single battle.
6. Tanks are useless because they don't have AoE skills.

1. Use taunt and that buff that increases threat (threatening?)
2. ... sounds like an exageration
3. that's what pots are for.
4. I've ended up w/ tons... use herbalism if you're lacking some
5. agreed
7. taunt is aoe.  if you're having a mage spam aoe, maybe you should get 2 tanks.

Additional tips:

1) corners help w/ ranged attackers, since they can't LOS you, they need to run to you. 
2) Higher ground can protect your ranged characters by preventing the enemy from getting to them.
3) Run if you need to.  Don't just try to stick it out, if things aren't going well.  If you have the space, run.  Often enemies won't follow forever.  You can retreat and when they turn, use a slowing ability or CC to get the stragglers... then pick them off when they are alone.  Repeat as needed.
4) Micro up the wazoo.  The party AI sucks even w/ how customizable it can be, imo.  I just turn it off and tell them what needs to be done.
5) Know what buffs to use.  Don't go in w/ flame weapons if you only have 1 melee.  Conversely, if you have 3 melee, flame weapons rocks!
6) Pull w/ a bow or staff.  Often enemy clusters are actually composed of
smaller groups.  You can easily pull 1 or 2 off the major group with a
bow or staff from a long distance.
7) focus fire
8) keep the biggest enemy CC'd if possible while you focus fire and kill all the smaller ones.  typically the big enemy takes forever to kill, so you're only taking dmg if you don't kill the small ones first.

hope that helps.

Taunt is AoE? I'm sure I read that skill a dozen of times and still thought it was single target This changes things...

[Toroi]

I am finding it much more challenging than, say, NWN. I am not having nearly as much trouble as the OP, however. I'm not really far in, but only really had a hard time on one fight, and that was fine once I actually prepared for it. I even mostly let the standard AI handle things, except for casters. A few tips, some of which have been repeated:



1. Consumables are there for a reason, put them in your quickbar. A healing potion or two makes an enormous difference.

2. Get a healer as soon as you can - even giving Morrigan the basic heal spell makes a ton of difference.

3. Use those acid flasks and similar things on the ranged enemies - place them right and you can take out 3 or more enemies really fast.

4. Control your casters - they are great for stunning opponents and the like.

5. Use defensive and threat abilities on your tank, and micromanage him as needed to come after stray opponents.

6. Focus fire - don't attack 5 or 6 opponents at once, take them down one at a time so they die faster and reduce the total damage being taken by the party.



Personally, I'm finding the challenging fights to be a lot of fun. Its nice to be engaged in the combat, rather than basically just point my characters and watch the action.

[Reanna]

The game is not garbage you just need to learn out to play, ie line of site pulling and so forth. I play on normal and if don't plan things out I die or worse party wipes, is this the games fault? Nope its mine for being a dummy ...I do wipe on rare occasion and that's what saves are for!

[Churchdown Yank]

I love this! How old is the OP? One of the best reviews I read said that it's finally a game that doesn't depend solely on your skill with a reticule... look that word up. I'm excited about a game that can't be won by checking the wiki on "how do I defeat Boss X" followed by a simple list of commands.



Open your mind gumby. Use your brain. Resources are limited. No one's going to spoon feed you the answer.

[addiction21]

Auraad wrote...

I agree with the OP.
This game is by far TOO much a strategy game than a ROLE playing game... most fanboys here don't want to hear that (I know), it's still true all together.

Ya god forbid a game focused on group strategy is too much like a strategy game.

[Belevorn]

Game too hard? I'm playing on normal on PC and so far I only had to plan carefully three or four fights. It's true that I have had to use a lot of "potions" on many fights, but since I got a mage able to heal properly I don't even need them much. Seriously, it's hard to understand how someone can complain about this game difficulty playing on normal or easy.

[sk3llingt0n]

Wow seriously?!? thats crazy cause im playing on normal and its waaaay boring! most of the time my dog gets the kills lol. do you have Morigan on in your team? cause she really good at weakening for a distance.

[Asiram1957]

One of the things I discoverd which you maybe over looking is the stand your ground setting. If you have that set your party will not perform the tactics you have laid out for them. The oposite is also true if you just let the party members folly the tactics on every battle they will run into situations they can not handle alone. I have played and still play Bioware's games and have found that this has become more prevelant as the games have evolved.



You must understand your party members and how they are wired because they do and pretty much act like they appear. Hot heads act like hot heads, cowards will not engage etc