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[hakwea]

The game is pretty frustrating as it seems no matter what I do its to little effect. Heck shape shifters are pretty weak since you get two abilities, and can't use anything while in your form. Plus that fact that the only way to make the AI smart is through tactics but the only way to get enough tactics is through wasting skill points when you could use them on other things. It got far easier when I told the AI to drink potions when they are 50% or below, but you burn through them fast. Faster then I can find elfroot to craft my own, and you aren't rolling in gold.



Not to mention some fights where your party gets owned and you can't do anything to really help it (sloth demon).

[Inhuman one]

just play the game on easy already and play it on normal the second playthrough.



There is no shame in playing a game on easy, I did that with KOTOR and Jade Empire as well since I played them for the story and not the crappy combat system.



I probably will play Dragon Age on easy as well on my first run through, after that I will understand the game a lot better and then I will probably move to normal. Its the kind of game that can be replayed often after all.

[NVranya]

Auraad wrote...

I agree with the OP.
This game is by far TOO much a strategy game than a ROLE playing game... most fanboys here don't want to hear that (I know), it's still true all together.

/agree

While I like the game, it's not advertised entirely correctly. A little too much strategy sometimes. (I love RP, I loathe strategy games).
Also I'm still too stubborn to play on an easier setting, so it's been a wonderful love/hate experience so far

[RedShft]

GumbyTheBorg wrote...

I was all excited about this game. I love Bioware products, but this is such crap, I fell let down (and I fell as though I lost $59). Every (and I mean almost EVERY) single fight I ever pick, my party gets wiped. I tried my best to equip everyone with the best stuff and give them tons of potions and the such, but every brigand, thug and half-wit that moves can totally destroy my party as though we are nothing but a rag tag group of elementary school girls. It's totally disgusting. My character should be highly trained (as told at the beginning of the game) and should be a Warden and highly skilled, yet ever drunken loser with a sword can kill me. I been doing this "Back Alley" quest and for each of the three different "Back Alleys" I've had to reload the game at least 11 times or so until I could win a single fight. Total absolute crap. I don't feel heroic or good about my character and I'd certainly not having any fun. It's just one big massive exercise in reloading and frustration. For the first time ever, I will set aside this Bioware game and not bother to finish it whatsoever. And I'm on NORMAL difficulty.

You need to be more careful in your fights. I am playing on nightmare and I don't wipe every fight. Just be smart about your decisions and micro-manage (or setup tactics really well). This isn't an easy game by any means, my friend is playing on normal and he still has trouble as well. Spend some time before every fight, asses the situation, and decide what you need to do to win.

Modifié par RedShft, 05 novembre 2009 - 11:13 .

[Vansen Elamber]

Another thing that can seriously effect combat is if you have your graphics settings set too high for your PC making the game chug along through the battles and making your micromanagment tasks all that much more difficult to accomplish before a party member goes down.

[Vininsane]

This game is too frustrating.......

Actually it is a game not just the standard walk in the park paint by numbers trash that is the norm these days....

It starts to worry me that people can be so completely and utterly incapavle of adapting or even just changing the game mode.

You just have to laugh

[VKX_XYZ]

Spacebar pauses the game. Being the biggest button on the keyboard, that functionality must be pretty important. That said, I have yet to pause a battle. I've died once against a gang of spiders, but that was more because I wasn't paying attention enough and ran smack in the middle of them instead of creeping along and pulling them out one by one. Anyway, try pausing, queuing up attacks, and unpausing.

[null_unit]

I can see anyone who might be new to BioWare RPG's finding it difficult. It takes getting used to the fact that you need to make a lot of decisions during a battle and can't just let them run on their own. You HAVE to get used to pausing battle to manage the situation. You can't play the game on higher difficulty levels without constantly doing this and doing it in a smart way. I remember playing NWN on the most difficult level having to move SO slowly into potential battles setting up traps, sneaking in to asses the threats etc.. It's a lot of fun if you are willing to put the time into each fight.

[WabeWalker]

Seriously, WTF?



If your party is well balanced - if you have a cleric, a tank, an off-tank, and maybe an artillery unit - then the game almost plays itself on the normal level. It's cake. The only way you could possibly be struggling is if your party isn't balanced.



You have a healer in your party, right? I call the healer unit a cleric. You need one cleric. And then, if you're not in control of the cleric, you need to set a custom tactic for your cleric to heal all your party members.



I've got a cleric who heals so fast that 90% of the time the enemy NPCs can't even kill a single party member of mine. It's cake.

[littlerogue]

This game is not unplayable on normal. You just need to take your time. Develop a strategy. Try to understand why you are dieing so often. You can't just run into a battle blindly and expect to come out on top. Pause, pause is your friend, stop the action and analyse the situation. Also, have a look at your party's AI tactics. They are quite useful.



I love the challenge personally, it brings me back to my Baldur's Gate days.

[artmonster1967]

you know what I love ?



since this is an already released single player game...



the QQ whiners cant get anything nerfed ...(like the MMO's that are on the market)..and us thinking players can still have a blast...and you moron "hand-needs-holding" gamer wanna-be's can cry all you want, and get yer floor stomping groove on.....while we chuckle at your pain.



I'm so glad I dont MMO anymore.....



I laugh at you !!! HAHA !!



learn to play mofo ....... learn to think.



*chuckle.

[GumbyTheBorg]

Yaron Jakobs wrote...

A quick comment to those having problems with some fights:
If you become too frustrated with a specific fight (and you don't want to tune it down to 'easy'), simply go somewhere else and try different areas and quests. Some difficult locations might turn much easier if you return later.
There are some fights in the game that are actually meant to be winnable by a high-level party.

Also: weapon runes are VERY important to your party DPS.

I've only ever found one single item that accepts runes (a sword). I have no idea what to do with all these gems and crystals I find (no one ever seems to be able to use them). And I've never really found any cool loot over than swords that are slightly (only slightly) better than the normal stuff one can purchase from merchants. There was a couple of items that I could have purchased, but at 25 GP each, I was short 22 GP.... So all of my party members get beaten down at such incredible speed that if they drink a Full Healing Potion WHILE Morrigan is casting Heal on them, they still die before they can drink another potion or Morrigan can cast another heal spell on them. I'm not sure if it's some kind of weird bug that turns all my party members into practice dummies made out of wet balsa wood. I'm trying many different strategies, but I'm not a 47 tries with the last part of the "Back Alley" quest, and I usually get wiped before I managed to kill half of our foes.

[Genkenaar]

What has happened to gamers of this generation?
Back in the time of Mario games on gameboy, no matter how many times you got game over, people never complained, kept retrying (the ENTIRE game in this case) and really enjoyed the challenge.

Now it's like: *you lose, game over* on first or second attempt -> *RAGE* "This is way too frustrating! This game sucks!" -> *goes to forums to tell everyone how much the game sucks*

Why do people no longer like challenge in games, why it always has to be a free-mode and easy-mode walkthrough without a single hitch and without the need of skills or brains?

I'm not flaming the OP or anything, this is just something I really noticed in my last years of game forum browsing.

EDIT: ok wow, this thread first showed up as 1 page and now all of sudden it has 8 pages, a bug I guess, sorry if what I said makes no sense at all anymore for any reason in the pages after the first one.

Modifié par Genkenaar, 05 novembre 2009 - 11:39 .

[scyld]

Oh wow, I totally disagree with the OP's post.

The game IS hard. On top of the difficulty of even the normal game, I am playing on Hard mode. And yes, I HAVE wiped; on one boss I wiped at least 10 times before I downed him, and when he died it was a close call with 2 of my 4 party members dead and one near death. In fact, in regular encounters it happens often enough that one of my party members is killed before it is over

But THE CHALLENGE IS THE FUN!

The last few RPGs I've played made it seem as though the challenge had been sucked out of the RPG genre. That's why it's so refreshing to finally have a game where I do not expect an inevitable victory in every encounter. There's finally some tension. There's finally a reason for me to learn, in detail, all the abilities that all my characters have at their disposal. I admit that it was a little overwhelming at first to micromanage equipment and abilities, but now it is so very satisfying.

People may correct me on this, but this seems like one of the most tactical RPGs that Bioware has released, far more tactical than either Mass Effect or Baldur's Gate 2.

My suggestion is to pay very close attention to primarily to your mages' abilities and secondarily to your rogues' abilities. That is what I am doing, and I am often allowing the AI to manage the warriors' abilities, intervening when I see fit.

Oh, and make sure that you pick up some strong utility abilities and don't always go straight damage

Auraad wrote...

I agree with the OP.
This game is by far TOO much a strategy game than a ROLE playing game... most fanboys here don't want to hear that (I know), it's still true all together.

Well, most RPGs have some sub-genre attached to them. For example, Diablo was an action RPG game. This game just happens to be a tactical RPG game. I'm sorry if that's not what you wanted, but that's the sort of game that Bioware is famous for developing.

Modifié par scyld, 05 novembre 2009 - 11:38 .

[artmonster1967]

you'd be suprised how much damage ranged weapons can do before the mobs get to you

[GumbyTheBorg]

WabeWalker wrote...

Seriously, WTF?

If your party is well balanced - if you have a cleric, a tank, an off-tank, and maybe an artillery unit - then the game almost plays itself on the normal level. It's cake. The only way you could possibly be struggling is if your party isn't balanced.

You have a healer in your party, right? I call the healer unit a cleric. You need one cleric. And then, if you're not in control of the cleric, you need to set a custom tactic for your cleric to heal all your party members.

I've got a cleric who heals so fast that 90% of the time the enemy NPCs can't even kill a single party member of mine. It's cake.

I haven't met an cleric characters yet. I have Alistair, Morrigan, Sten and Leliana. I haven't been in a position to recruit anyone else.

[scyld]

Sorry, multiple post; was a duplicate of the one I made above.

Modifié par scyld, 05 novembre 2009 - 11:39 .

[Nassou]

I think your last post proves you are just too ignorant to have a hope of enjoying anything in your life. Play the game and learn how to do things correctly. If you have a specific question about a gameplay element, ask for help. Otherwise take your mindless dribble elsewhere.

[JamesX]

Not sure if someone already mentioned it.



Liberal use of disabling abilities are a god send. Things like Pommel Strike, Shield Bash, Freeze Spell, etc. works great.



I have gotten past the Origin Story as both Mage and Warrior and finished the Major Plot point right after that (as Warrior) and I have never lost a single member. (Normal Difficulty)

[artmonster1967]

GumbyTheBorg wrote...

I haven't met an cleric characters yet. I have Alistair, Morrigan, Sten and Leliana. I haven't been in a position to recruit anyone else.

there are no clerics in DA...only mages that choose to take a healing path.

[John Chance]

Auraad wrote...

I agree with the OP.
This game is by far TOO much a strategy game than a ROLE playing game... most fanboys here don't want to hear that (I know), it's still true all together.

To an extent I agree that this is a strategy game more than a roleplaying game, it reminds me of some of the early PC versions of D&D or perhaps even a 3D version of Fallout in some respects. Yet the developers TOLD us that it was going to be a party based game so I just figure two things . . . first I know I ALWAYS suck at party based games to begin with. And second the entire party is my character; thats how they are getting the depth rather than giving me twenty specialization options for one fellow.

That said I can't agree that it is TOO much of a strategy game. I'm actually enjoying it, if I want hack and slash I'll go play Diablo III or Titan's Quest, but this is fun for those days when I don't want an easy run through. So far I'm not even past the tower of Ishal. Yeah I know I suck. ROFL.

[Osprey39]

Habnor - God of Whine wrote...

soteria wrote...

You know, I haven't played yet--blasted European release date--but I submit to you that if other players are successfully moving through the game on normal and even hard, the problem isn't the game, it's you. Also, I find it hard to believe you're really doing everything you say you're doing. Obviously "I press space bar 400 per fight" is hyperbole, which makes me wonder which other parts of your post stretch the truth.

Such an elite gamer as yourself may find it hard to believe, but it's possible that other players really are having more success than you. If you want to enjoy the game, asking for advice would probably be more productive than saying "This is too hard, I quit."

That's pretty ignorant statement and is antiwhining...
You havnt played every style and I notice many bugs already that can destroy a character.
But aside from bugs, maybe they didnt get that uber weapon drop that could really make a difference,
Maybe they missed buying that one item on the merchant... maybe they played the wrong path first.
Maybe they spent all their points on sword and board cuz they don't like 2H weapons but it turns out
it is  a must because board and sword sucks? Whatver the case.. complain all you want but never
attack anyone.. or I will be on you like white on rice showing you how ignorant you are.

The bolded part of your post reminds me of what the mindset of RPG players has unfortunately become today.  These games are not about loot or min/maxing to have the 'perfect' character build.  It's supposed to be a story driven adventure.  Oh sure, the loot helps and what not but it's not a necessity to have the best items and the best build to be successful.  In fact, having everything 'perfect' tends to trivialize the content because it wasn't designed around the premise that players will be 'perfect'. 

You can play this game without being perfect.  You can play it on hard without being perfect.  I'm playing on hard right now and basically flying by the seat of my pants.  I didn't buy a strategy guide because I prefer to figure things out myself.  I'm still doing fine and I'm learning the tricks on my own as I go.  My character has the default mage robe and a staff that is slightly better than the noob apprentice staff and I'm not struggling.  As I said in  the earlier post, I've wiped a few times when I underestimated the opponent and just did the bull charge into combat.  The second attempt, I used my head and mopped it up pretty easily.

If you think this game is too hard, I don't know what to tell you other than maybe this type of game isn't for you.  These games aren't supposed to be cakewalks that you finish in 15 hours.  They are supposed to be epic adventures that challenge the player and take a long time to finish.  I think they've done a fine job from what I've seen so far (except they overdid it a bit on the blood effects )

[jableskage]

roll on 0830 on 06/11/09 and i will be able to experience this nightmare... or not???

[John Chance]

Auraad wrote...

I agree with the OP.
This game is by far TOO much a strategy game than a ROLE playing game... most fanboys here don't want to hear that (I know), it's still true all together.

To an extent I agree that this is a strategy game more than a roleplaying game, it reminds me of some of the early PC versions of D&D or perhaps even a 3D version of Fallout in some respects. Yet the developers TOLD us that it was going to be a party based game so I just figure two things . . . first I know I ALWAYS suck at party based games to begin with. And second the entire party is my character; thats how they are getting the depth rather than giving me twenty specialization options for one fellow.

That said I can't agree that it is TOO much of a strategy game. I'm actually enjoying it, if I want hack and slash I'll go play Diablo III or Titan's Quest, but this is fun for those days when I don't want an easy run through. So far I'm not even past the tower of Ishal. Yeah I know I suck. ROFL.

[artmonster1967]

JamesX wrote...

Not sure if someone already mentioned it.

Liberal use of disabling abilities are a god send. Things like Pommel Strike, Shield Bash, Freeze Spell, etc. works great.

I have gotten past the Origin Story as both Mage and Warrior and finished the Major Plot point right after that (as Warrior) and I have never lost a single member. (Normal Difficulty)

also explore traps and poisons....they do a lot of carnage.

and USE THE TACTICS !!!  it will take a lot off your shoulders if you arent constantly babysitting every character.....srsly !! use them ! and tweak them as you go.