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[Arthain]

Who here also thinks that the Keepers are modified Rachni , just like the Collectors are modified Protheans.

[packardbell]

But the Collectors were HEAVILY modified, they're barely humanoid now.. while the Keepers are still insectoid in nature.

It seems the Reapers have a a thing for bugs.

It was mentioned they got rid of all the junk parts of the DNA and just modified/left the bare essentials.

Modifié par packardbell, 30 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .

[Arthain]

Didn't say they were modified in the same way, rather that they were both simply modified. Keepers, I believe, are Rachni that were modified to suit a specific purpose, maintenance of the Citadel and to appear passive and harmless to whoever resides within the Citadel.



The Protheans were modified to become the Collectors, a race the Reapers would use to harvest/weaken the next set of inhabitants, much different role between the two, so stands to reason that they were modified in different ways.



Still, Rachni and Keepers look very similar.

[Stoko981]

I dunno - I mean, the Keepers are a pretty integral part of the Citadel. They not only maintain it, they're also crucial for keeping whoever inhabits it from discovering it's inner workings. Meaning they've probably been a part of it for millions of years, perhaps going all the way back to the beginning. There's conjecture in ME1 that they might be the first species the Reapers conquered, and it makes sense. We know they were at least around when the Protheans arrived on the Citadel. I doubt the Rachni race existed that long ago. If they did, and the Reapers had modified them, I doubt they'd have left any behind. After all, the Protheans that didn't become Collectors were slaughtered.

[Arthain]

The Rachni live underground, it is VERY possible that the Reapers simply missed a few of them. It's also possible that the Keepers and Rachni are both modifications of a different species, one was designed to maintain the Citadel, the other to act like the Protheans, as sort of a Vanguard to help ease the way for the Reapers to move in.



Regardless, the similarities in appearance between Keepers and Rachni are too much for me to simply throw that idea away, at least until Bioware explains where the Keepers really came from .

[Istvan Kovacs]

But the Reapers wiped out all space faring life in the galaxy many times over, and before THAT started, they built the Citadel, the keepers and the Mass relays. It's very unlikely that the Keepers are modified Rachni as they would otherwise have to be the only species in the universe (aside from the Reapers) that have been around for millions of years. In which case the likelihood is that their technology would be far, far superior to anything existing currently in the ME universe, including the Reapers themselves as the Rachni would have been constantly expanding on their technology, and would thus have never been wiped out by the Krogan during the Rachni war.

[phossil]

Arthain wrote...

The Rachni live underground, it is VERY possible that the Reapers simply missed a few of them. It's also possible that the Keepers and Rachni are both modifications of a different species, one was designed to maintain the Citadel, the other to act like the Protheans, as sort of a Vanguard to help ease the way for the Reapers to move in.

Regardless, the similarities in appearance between Keepers and Rachni are too much for me to simply throw that idea away, at least until Bioware explains where the Keepers really came from .

That's a bit of a stretch. The Keepers have apparently been at the Citadel through all (at least all recent) cycles of reaper destruction. In ME1 someone said that the keepers were probably the first intelligent species that the Reapers absorbed/modified/destroyed. The Rachnii have only been around in the past 50,000 year cycle.

[Deku Scrub]

I don't think there's a real connection- the rachni are (or were depending on your choices) a spacefaring species that just happens to be insect-ish.

[Arthain]

Actually, you're all making the assumption that the Rachni have only been around in the past 50,000 years, you're also making the assumption that the Keepers have been in the Citadel from the beginning. You're also making the assumption that the Reapers haven't 'tried' to destroy the Rachni 10,000 times already.



Maybe every 50,000 years they come in and wipe them out along with all the other races but can never finish them off because of the fact that they're better at hiding than any other species out there.



The Rachni could have been there with the Protheans as well, it was said that the Protheans had spread across the entire galaxy, but it never said they occupied every world in every system in in part of the galaxy, only that they were the only 'main' dominant race, and the only one to occupy the Citadel.



The Rachni are almost as mysterious as the Reapers themselves, more so probably since I believe we actually know 'more' about the Reapers than we do the Rachni, in relation to long-term history I mean.

[The_mango55]

Arthain wrote...

Actually, you're all making the assumption that the Rachni have only been around in the past 50,000 years, you're also making the assumption that the Keepers have been in the Citadel from the beginning. You're also making the assumption that the Reapers haven't 'tried' to destroy the Rachni 10,000 times already.

Yeah, that's a pretty darn easy assumption to make.

If the KROGANS could destroy the Rachni, you don't think the REAPERS could do it?

[DBHolm]

Insectoid races can only look so dissimilar before they stop looking insectoid.

[FoFoZem]

Arthain wrote...

Actually, you're all making the assumption that the Rachni have only been around in the past 50,000 years, you're also making the assumption that the Keepers have been in the Citadel from the beginning. You're also making the assumption that the Reapers haven't 'tried' to destroy the Rachni 10,000 times already.

Maybe every 50,000 years they come in and wipe them out along with all the other races but can never finish them off because of the fact that they're better at hiding than any other species out there.

The Rachni could have been there with the Protheans as well, it was said that the Protheans had spread across the entire galaxy, but it never said they occupied every world in every system in in part of the galaxy, only that they were the only 'main' dominant race, and the only one to occupy the Citadel.

The Rachni are almost as mysterious as the Reapers themselves, more so probably since I believe we actually know 'more' about the Reapers than we do the Rachni, in relation to long-term history I mean.

You're a very shameless promoter of this theory. The theory is a little far-fetched. We make assumptions based on Negative Presemption. Until something is proven we, legally and otherwise, have the right to deny its ramifications. As the accuser (you accusing the rachni of having ancestral connection with keepers) you have the burden of proof and the bottom line is that there is no proof. Our 'assumptions' are logical deductions based on the canonic lore of the game.

The Reapers spend centuries obliterating a species and they only missed like 12 scientist Protheans. I highly, highly doubt that the Rachni have been avoiding Reaper destruction all this time.

It is pretty apparent that the Protheans were alone. Given their study of human development on Mars and their likely cultural uplift of the hanar.

[Stoko981]

Arthain wrote...

Regardless, the similarities in appearance between Keepers and Rachni are too much for me to simply throw that idea away, at least until Bioware explains where the Keepers really came from .

And how about the similarities in appearance between humans and asari? Or hanar and jellyfish? Or Reapers and cuttlefish? They're two insectoid species. They don't bear any other similarities than that. They're as similar as any of the dozens of bipedal humanoid species in Mass Effect.

The Keepers, as shown, are integral parts of the Reaper's plan of luring in unsuspecting civilisations to the Citadel. A plan which has worked flawlessly, over and over, for millions of years. Why would the Keepers be a recent addition? And as others have said, how exactly could the Reapers fail, for millions of years, to wipe out the rachni when the krogan could do it? Rachni queens live underground, if worst comes to worst, they could have just obliterated the entire planet(s) if they wanted to. You seem rabidly attached to this theory for no real reason. They're both insectoid and have no other similarities, but that's okay, because the differences between them are because the Reapers did it, right? And we don't know of any way the rachni could have possibly survived a Reaper invasion, but that's okay, the Reapers might just have missed them 10,000 times. I bet they would have managed to wipe them out too, if it weren't for those pesky kids, right?

You have no proof, and the things you're saying to support it sound wildly improbable. Believe it if you want, because yeah, there's no proof you're wrong. Just lots and lots of common sense.

[JudgeQwerty]

I think the idea is that hivemind races are the easiest to Indoctrinate, which is why all three are insect races. However, the Rachni are a proper race and were not bioengineered in any way to suit Reaper purposes. Probably lucky the Krogan wiped them out first...

[Jigero]

No they aren't because the Keepers are way older then the Rachni. the keepers have been on the Citadel since the reapers started doing this billions of years ago.

[Ajent Utah]

The Keepers are re-purposed Rachni. I believe that the Rachni may have been one of the first species harvested by the Reapers but weren't totally destroyed. The Krogan tried to wipe the out, yet Shepard proved that wrong when he/she released the Queen. In Mass Effect 3, if you obtain the Prothean as an ally, Javik states that his people fought the Rachni as well and believed to have wiped them out. The Keepers and Rachni look very similar and there's a part in Mass Effect 2 where if Shepard saved the Queen then he/she will run into an Asari with a message from the Rachni Queen who claims the Reapers had controlled them with their sour note in the Rachni Wars. The Asari stated that the Rachni fixed her ship "better than before" and went on to say, and I quote, "They remind me of the Keepers on the Citadel in a way. All working together, each with a purpose." When you speak to Anderson in Mass Effect 2 he states that the Citadel's repairs were annoying to the Keepers and the next day they would make an ugly bulkhead seamless. In Mass Effect 3 when the Rachni help build the Crucible, they are extremely skilled in building and help speed the process up. The Keepers ARE Rachni. Just as the Collectors are Protheans.

[PsiFive]

 Maybe someone keeps raising them from the dead.