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[Thor Rand Al]

Ok so here's a question for anyone... Knowing what you do about Anora now (her not being able to concieve) that seems to be the hint were getting anyways n especially after play RTO would you still put her on the throne either with Alistair or alone (well alone she won't marry anyone anyways cause no one can compare to her daddy) or with your male noble PC?

Just curious if after playing RTO people have gotten a different view point on Anora n how important she really is...

[CaitlynRoe]

Well, we can't assume she's infertile, as Cailan could have been the one with problems. However, there is a risk there. It seems no matter choice you make there will be no heir, besides Allistair marrying a non-Gray Warden or there being cheating involved.

[Thor Rand Al]

You know I thought about it being Cailan too as a possiblilty but would 1 want to take that risk in case it was Anora? N really the only way we could tell who it might of been is if a bastard child of Cailan's shows up somewhere down the line or either Alistair or the human male pc stays with Anora, then after time it would be revealed but putting the throne on the line for a future heir is a major risk.

[_Aine_]

She's a smart enough lass, if you like her as ruler she could get a nurse-maid, fake a pregnancy, and come up with an heir easy enough. Sure it wouldn't be blood but there were no paternity tests in these days anyway ( not done by scrying on a new moon out in the korcari wilds anyway...)



5 years, if they were actually intimate the entire time, does probably show some problem on ONE of their parts ( could be cailan who knows - hook him up with a cute elf to see what happens! ) but producing an heir is more a matter of the continuance of the throne along one line rather than proof of worthiness as a ruler. Let your experience and history be the judge of that

[Thor Rand Al]

Lol looks like someone beat me to the question on the Anora topic lmao... I was debattin whether to start a new topic or putting it in the Thoughts of RTO

[Thor Rand Al]

shantisands wrote...
5 years, if they were actually intimate the entire time, does probably show some problem on ONE of their parts ( could be cailan who knows - hook him up with a cute elf to see what happens! ) but producing an heir is more a matter of the continuance of the throne along one line rather than proof of worthiness as a ruler. Let your experience and history be the judge of that

Besides beating the blight n the Archdemon isn't that 1 of the major points of the game?  Isn't that the whole point of putting Alistair on the throne to continue the bloodline...

[_Aine_]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Besides beating the blight n the Archdemon isn't that 1 of the major points of the game?  Isn't that the whole point of putting Alistair on the throne to continue the bloodline...

From that side of the family point of view for sure it is!  I am just not 100% convinced those royal bloodlines are pure to begin with, too much is at stake to be honest (for some whose power is important)  when fear and possibility of failure plays into it.    I was speaking more of the ways that Anora *could* remain queen while silencing rumours of her infertility, than what I think is the perfect situation to continue the royal bloodlines.  I didn't make that as clear as I should have probably.    

Modifié par shantisands, 31 janvier 2010 - 12:07 .

[errant_knight]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Ok so here's a question for anyone... Knowing what you do about Anora now (her not being able to concieve) that seems to be the hint were getting anyways n especially after play RTO would you still put her on the throne either with Alistair or alone (well alone she won't marry anyone anyways cause no one can compare to her daddy) or with your male noble PC?

Just curious if after playing RTO people have gotten a different view point on Anora n how important she really is...

Well, it's not really a factor. I put Anora on the throne in my first playthrough because I didn't know about the possibility of changing Alistair's character enough to make him want to be king. Even then it felt wrong. Now that I've heard what Alistair thinks about it when he's hardened, I'll never do it again. He wants to be king, and he thinks he'll be a better ruler, which works out well, because that's what I  (and my PC think, too.

In terms of fertility, putting Anora on the throne is no different that the PC marrying Alistair, except when there is the intention of infidelity. Even then, you lack the ability to produce a legitimate heir, so if one is unwilling to do one for that reason, the other should be ruled out as well.

[BeljoraDien]

Given that neither Alistair, Anora, or the PC seem to be able to conceive an heir, you don't have much choice... If an heir concerns you over everything else, your best bet would be to put Alistair or Anora up by his/herself and hope they find a partner who can conceive. Even then, I think the problem is there no matter what... This might end up being a plot point later on.

[Thiefy]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Given that neither Alistair, Anora, or the PC seem to be able to conceive an heir, you don't have much choice... If an heir concerns you over everything else, your best bet would be to put Alistair or Anora up by his/herself and hope they find a partner who can conceive. Even then, I think the problem is there no matter what... This might end up being a plot point later on.

Alistair by himself would be the best bet considering that Anora refuses to remarry and won't produce an heir. it's in her slides.

then again there is probably a chance that alistair isn't really the last therien

[draxynnus]

Errant: I don't think he ever actually wants to be king, hardened or not. However, the hardened Alistair is... more able to see the necessity of it, I suppose is the best way to put it, and takes it more seriously if he does get put on the throne, while the unhardened Alistair is really more likely to end up being a puppet/figurehead for another character.

Modifié par draxynnus, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:38 .

[Sarielle]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Given that neither Alistair, Anora, or the PC seem to be able to conceive an heir...

There's no suggestion that Alistair or the PC can't concieve an heir...simply that (if the PC is female) they can't conceive a child together, unless I misunderstood totally.

Now, if you're a male PC and marry Anora...yes, after RTO you should be expecting the possibility that you will have no heir because SHE may be infertile (or it could have been Cailan...no way to tell, but it's a good possibility).


EDIT: Also, you don't know the sole Anora won't remarry unless you metagame...but you WOULD know she might be unable to conceive.

Modifié par Sarielle, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:40 .

[Thor Rand Al]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Given that neither Alistair, Anora, or the PC seem to be able to conceive an heir, you don't have much choice... If an heir concerns you over everything else, your best bet would be to put Alistair or Anora up by his/herself and hope they find a partner who can conceive. Even then, I think the problem is there no matter what... This might end up being a plot point later on.

It's not the heir that concerns my pc, (female human noble)... She's just happy to be alive, that she's actually found someone else that she can spend the rest of her life with (even if it is 30 yrs give or take lol), that she was even able to find happiness n love amongst all the strife n turmoil, killing n death n she's happy it's with Alistair especially after everything she's been through... But the heir issue seems to come up in the game quit a bit... It probably wouldn't be such an issue but you have the choice to do the ritual so you can continue with your life, you have the choice to marry Alistair n if you chose all of these I'm wondering if there's goin to be an impact later on in an expansion or something...
It will be interesting to see if they do take this farther... The other characters seem to go off n do their own things but the 1 that seems to be a cliffhanger is the female pc n Alistair, definitely Alistair... 
I have a slight problem with these kind of games n even books like these, I emerse myself into them so I get all kinds of questions, thoughts, ideas popping in my head lol... It just seems like if you did the ritual n then your story's def not over n if you involved yourself with the throne n politics then it's really really not over lol...
Ok enough specualting, back to the game lmao

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Well I'm sure my PC named after myself won't have problems, because I know I don't shoot blanks haha. And if Anora doesn't produce the needed child, she can always be replaced. "I had no idea those stairs were icy."

[Zavrian]

Given that those characters who put Anora on the throne don't care about perpetuating the Therin line via Alistair, why would said characters care any more about the "Mac Tir line" being a one-and done?



From a metagaming perspective, I don't see how it matters at all, really.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I think, that in game, there seems to be too many hints that the Therin Bloodline might indeed be at it's end, no matter what choice you take. Even with a non-Warden, Alistair is concerned over whether or not having kids with the taint would be a good idea at all. His own fertility is severely lessened by the Taint, and there seems possibility that if he's successful, such a kid might not exactly be born normal or healthy.



And, unless another Therin heir can be found, that's pretty much it for the bloodline, and a new line most take the throne. Which could signify a major change for Ferelden, as well as instability. Somehow, i think no matter what, this will end up playing a role in future sequels/expansions.

[SurelyForth]

I agree with those who think that a lack of heir (besides the dark little secret that has to exist if PC Cousland rules with Alistair) is going to be a point in future DA titles. With fertility now being an issue amongst all four possible known rulers, it seems somewhat inevitable.



This revelation won't change my decision making process on future playthroughs but I will never, ever, ever make Alistair king without my PC becoming Chancellor, just to keep Eamon as far away from him as possible.

[TheBlackBaron]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
I think, that in game, there seems to be too many hints that the Therin Bloodline might indeed be at it's end, no matter what choice you take. Even with a non-Warden, Alistair is concerned over whether or not having kids with the taint would be a good idea at all. His own fertility is severely lessened by the Taint, and there seems possibility that if he's successful, such a kid might not exactly be born normal or healthy.

This, pretty much. Also, if Anora rules alone, then that's the end of the Therin bloodline anyway - any child of hers would have the blood of a new nobleman and her and thus start a new line. That very well could be the Couslands, if the male Warden chooses to go that route (and it doesn't seem as though he has any problems concieveing even sans Dark Ritual, so Alistair's fears may unfounded - or else the PC is just special).

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I think the Dark ritual is a special case, because obviously, the circumstances and the nature of the offspring being concieved are far from ordinary. The Dark Ritual is fueld by unknown magic, and since it requires a Warden to complete, it probably does something to factor in the Warden's decreased fertility.



Thus, I think it is the exception. And again, it's not like the product of the ritual is going to exactly be the run of the mill bundle of joy....

[Cuddlezarro]

you dont need to do the dark ritual to get morrigan preggers though



if you sleep with her and refuse to do the ritual she ends up pregnant any ways so I dont think you lose your fertility straight away and only do when you get older as the taint within you becomes stronger

[SusanStoHelit]

The chances of a warden being able to conceive/cause conception are low. And become lower later on as the taint grows stronger in you. That's why Morrigan needs a new recruit, according to DG. Two wardens, says same authority, cannot conceive by any 'natural' means.

This does not, in my view, rule out 'unnatural' means. So either magic of some kind - or a miracle (like the Urn of Sacred Ashes).

Edit: There are already mechanisms in place in the game world that would allow such a thing to happen, is my point. Or, to be more accurate, that make it at least theoretically possible.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:19 .

[the dark teryn]

CaitlynRoe wrote...

Well, we can't assume she's infertile, as Cailan could have been the one with problems. However, there is a risk there. It seems no matter choice you make there will be no heir, besides Allistair marrying a non-Gray Warden or there being cheating involved.

am i getting from this that if you are a male human noble you can marry her ?

[SusanStoHelit]

the dark teryn wrote...

am i getting from this that if you are a male human noble you can marry her ?

Yes, if you play your cards right.

[TheBlackBaron]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

you dont need to do the dark ritual to get morrigan preggers though

if you sleep with her and refuse to do the ritual she ends up pregnant any ways so I dont think you lose your fertility straight away and only do when you get older as the taint within you becomes stronger

This.

So like I said, I don't think it's too much of a problem in event that Male Cousland marries Anora, assuming it is indeed Cailan that's the problem. There will be an heir - it just won't be of the Therin bloodline.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:04 .

[Alyka]

If you ask npcs about "rumors", they tell you that "the reason why Cailan never had an heir is because The Maker cursed them for not putting someone of royal blood on the throne" (or something to that effect) meaning Anora.They also will tell you of a rumor that the reason why Loghain left the battlefield at Ostagar was because he found out that Cailan was cheating on Anora.We don't even know if those rumors are true.

When you talk to Anora before the Landsmeet if you have a romance with Alistair and you try to convince her to marry him, she asks you if you will still be there and divulges that: she asks if she has to put up with marrying yet another husband who has a mistress and that Cailan had mistresses on the side.

Also, it's mentioned in the game that the Couslands are considered to be second to the throne bloodline as far as royalty is concerned.So if you marry Alistair or Anora as a human noble, there would be an heir of royal blood either way.

Alistair mentions that the chances are low if a Grey Warden tries to concieve, let alone both parents being Grey Wardens.

Morrigan says she needs to do the ritual with someone who has not been tainted for very long.So someone who has been tainted longer may have a harder time to concieve.

If you let Anora stay on the throne (and if you don't do the ritual if you're a male human noble),she will have to marry someone else who can give her an heir.The heir wouldn't be of royal bloodline, but royalty by previous marriage alone (which is debatable) unless she marries someone of nobility.

If you let Alistair become king (and you don't do the ritual if you're a human female noble): if you sacrifice yourself, he can find someone to concieve with. If you sacrifice him, it would be up to Arl Eamon or Connor to succeed the throne.

Either way if you do or you don't put Alistair or yourself (human noble) on the throne and you do the ritual with Morrigan, either you or Alistair has fathered a child with Morrigan BOTH of royal bloodline AND untainted Old God.

If you let Loghain or yourself (if your PC is not a human noble) do the ritual with Morrigan, the child is just an untainted Old God.

The weird thing is, if the child you have with Morrigan grows up, he/she might try to overthrow whoever is on the throne if they're of royal blood.

I would let Anora on the throne especially if my PC has a romance with Alistair and my PC is not a human noble.But that depends on how I want to go about it.

Modifié par Alyka, 31 janvier 2010 - 07:47 .