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[TheBlackBaron]

Cailan having mistresses would be nothing unusual, though - I dare say it might even be expected of him. That's just how aristocracies in general have worked throughout the entirety of human history.

Anyhow, the Couslands are said to be second only to the royal family itself, but they still wouldn't be part of the Therin bloodline. Either way I think it's heavily implied that this dynasty may be ending before it ever really gets off the ground, assuming it is indeed impossible for two Grey Wardens to conceive (as would be the case with the ever popular Female Cousland and Alistair pairing).

Seems like God-child has a very good chance of winding up as the only heir to the throne depending on how everything plays out. That'll never happen in my "canon" game, of course - he's not of the royal bloodline.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:22 .

[Thor Rand Al]

The Couslands predate the founding of Ferelden so in all actuality Cousland bloodline is older then the Therin line... Just think if your female human noble n married Alistair n if you were to some how by some "miracle" able to concieve a child not only would you be continuing the Therin blood line but also the Cousland line (I know Fergus is still around but still)... The two oldest bloodlines in Fereldin united, hmm I like that idea lmao

[nos_astra]

If Al and Cousland could name a successor then Fergus children would be a good choice, given he'd re-marry anyway. Marry them to the highest ranking nobles and a new ver traditional royal line would be established. That would be my plan. Although a Cousland-Theirin heir would awesome.

[nos_astra]

If Al and Cousland could name a successor then Fergus children would be a good choice, given he'd re-marry anyway. Marry them to the highest ranking nobles and a new ver traditional royal line would be established. That would be my plan. Although a Cousland-Theirin heir would awesome.

[nos_astra]

If Al and Cousland could name a successor then Fergus children would be a good choice, given he'd re-marry anyway. Marry them to the highest ranking nobles and a new ver traditional royal line would be established. That would be my plan. Although a Cousland-Theirin heir would awesome.

[TheBlackBaron]

TRIPLE POST.

There needs to be a delete post option on these forums. But yeah, if worst comes to worst and there is no heir coming from Alistair or Anora or Female Cousland, then whatever kids Fergus manages to come up with would be prime candidates for sucessors. Heck, if Aedan (default names are shorter than writing "Male Human Noble" or whatever ) goes for Leliana or some other noble woman his own theoretical kids might be up for it.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:18 .

[Thor Rand Al]

How is Eamon related to Alistair/Maric, is it through blood or marriage, is he even related to Alistair? I've actually never heard Alistar call him an endearing family name... So say the noble pc does marry king/queen in something happens to said person then the pc takes over right? N Eamon can't say anything cause he's not even family... Am I getting this right or am I missing something lol

[Ramante]

Eamon was the uncle of Cailan.. but he's not Alistair's uncle since the 'uncle connection' with Cailan came through Cailan's mother. So he is not related to Alistair. He was related to Maric because Maric was married to Eamon's sister.

[odiedragon]

SurelyForth wrote...
This revelation won't change my decision making process on future playthroughs but I will never, ever, ever make Alistair king without my PC becoming Chancellor, just to keep Eamon as far away from him as possible.

I like the way you think.

Eamon *spit*

If an heir is so bloody important to these people, don't you think that if it was Alistair or Alistair/PC involved, one of them would ask Wynne about it?  To see if there was anything she could do?  In both my queen and chancellor mistress endings, Wynne stays at court with them, so she'd be around and avaliable.

And what about Avernus, if you left him alive?

That would be quite amusing actually.  Wynne having to work with an old cranky blood mage (if he'd even agree to help, which is questionable) for the good of Ferelden.  

Err, more on topic, as has been said, we don't know for sure if Anora is barren or Cailan was shooting blanks.  The only way we'll find out is if one of Cailan's mistresses shows up one day with a kid in tow (and even then, would we know for sure that it was Cailan's?)  From the viewpoint of the society though, where fertility is OBVIOUSLY the woman's fault <_< it would make sense to take Eamon's fears (Eamon *spit*) into consideration when deciding who should take the throne.  A slim chance of Alistair and Bimbo Bannorn conceiving might be a better choice than a woman who's "proven" to be barren.

[Greyshaft1]

Mmmmm the dark Ritual could play apart in future expansions if say the pc is co-ruler with anora...no heir and a few years down the line a young lad and a fiesty witchy theif turns up 'hello daddy'/

[TheBlackBaron]

Yeah, Eamon's got no real blood connection to Alistair. More than that, his only son is getting shipped off the Circle and put under Chantry control and I don't think he's up to producing anymore. So there's probably no real chance of that being a problem.

What about Teagan? He'd be in the same situation as Eamon, I guess, with no blood connection to Alistair, but he is a good deal younger, and IIRC female Couslands can flirt with him.

Greyshaft: I always figured the kid would be a girl. Gotta keep the Witch of the Wilds line going, right?

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:25 .

[blademaster7]

People are forgetting that Morrigan's son/daughter(most likely the latter) is probably gonna end up with magic... which rules out the theory of being a heir to the throne.

[odiedragon]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Greyshaft: I always figured the kid would be a girl. Gotta keep the Witch of the Wilds line going, right?

I've assumed that it will be a girl as well.  One, that's how Flemeth's ritual seems to work, what with the stories of her "many daughters".  Two, if the Old Gods are dragons, dragons (high dragons anyway) are always female.

Even if the child wasn't an old god, you would have to involve another party for 9+ months, were the child
to be male and the chain of possession continued... and that can get messy.  Better to keep it in the family, as it were.

Modifié par odiedragon, 31 janvier 2010 - 08:35 .

[TheBlackBaron]

blademaster7 wrote...

People are forgetting that Morrigan's son/daughter(most likely the latter) is probably gonna end up with magic... which rules out the theory of being a heir to the throne.

I, for one, would not be interested in saying "no" to a goddess/god once she/he matured to the point where they could rule on their own.

[blademaster7]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

People are forgetting that Morrigan's son/daughter(most likely the latter) is probably gonna end up with magic... which rules out the theory of being a heir to the throne.

I, for one, would not be interested in saying "no" to a goddess/god once she/he matured to the point where they could rule on their own.

Yes, yes, go ahead and reveal the true identity of the child. The chantry would be very pleased.

The king(Alistair or a male Cousland) went through a blood magic ritual with an apostate to revive the soul of the Archdemon.

The chantry will bury you, really. It will probaly make the entire nation turn against you and sent the templars on a witch hunting mission. Better not bring it up if you're king/queen

[TheBlackBaron]

blademaster7 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I, for one, would not be interested in saying "no" to a goddess/god once she/he matured to the point where they could rule on their own.

Yes, yes, go ahead and reveal the true identity of the child. The chantry would be very pleased.

The king(Alistair or a male Cousland) went through a blood magic ritual with an apostate to revive the soul of the Archdemon.

The chantry will bury you, really. It will probaly make the entire nation turn against you and sent the templars on a witch hunting mission. Better not bring it up if you're king/queen

Again, goddess/god.

I mean, you gotta be able to count on somebody that's one third your own flesh and blood to help you out against the wrath of the Chantry, right?

[Monica21]

blademaster7 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

People are forgetting that Morrigan's son/daughter(most likely the latter) is probably gonna end up with magic... which rules out the theory of being a heir to the throne.

I, for one, would not be interested in saying "no" to a goddess/god once she/he matured to the point where they could rule on their own.

Yes, yes, go ahead and reveal the true identity of the child. The chantry would be very pleased.

The king(Alistair or a male Cousland) went through a blood magic ritual with an apostate to revive the soul of the Archdemon.

The chantry will bury you, really. It will probaly make the entire nation turn against you and sent the templars on a witch hunting mission. Better not bring it up if you're king/queen

Well, it's not like the child (if it is a boy) is going to go to the Circle. And i'd imagine that being born with the soul of an Old God it would have the power to hide its magic unlike little kids raised by overbearing mothers.

I don't have any reason to think that the child isn't a threat to the throne.

[blademaster7]

TheBlackBaron wrote...



Again, goddess/god.



I
mean, you gotta be able to count on somebody that's one third your own
flesh and blood to help you out against the wrath of the Chantry,
right? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

The people of Ferelden would always blindley obey the chantry. They can easily turn the entire nation against the king.

Monica21 wrote...

Well,
it's not like the child (if it is a boy) is going to go to the Circle.
And i'd imagine that being born with the soul of an Old God it would
have the power to hide its magic unlike little kids raised by
overbearing mothers.

I don't have any reason to think that the child isn't a threat to the throne.

I guess it could be a threat if the king comes out and names it as a heir(who would believe Morrigan, seriously?) BUT, everyone else must remain in the dark about it's true identity and the child must hide it's magic.

I was just pointing out that with it's Archdemon-soul-child-of-apostate status it won't be accepted by the chantry.

Modifié par blademaster7, 31 janvier 2010 - 09:16 .

[Monica21]

blademaster7 wrote...
I guess it could be a threat if the king comes out and names it as a heir(who would believe Morrigan, seriously?) BUT, everyone else must remain in the dark about it's true identity and the child must hide it's magic.

I was just pointing out that with it's Archdemon-soul-child-of-apostate status it won't be accepted by the chantry.

And now I'm just thinking about how I can lead Alistair further down the dark path. I've already taken his virginity (which prompted the "lightning strike" comment) talked him into getting Morrigan pregnant and creating an old god, and now I could talk him into lying about it and potentially claiming the child as his. The evil me says "muahahahaha!!!!" and the good me goes "aww.... " with a sad face.

[TheBlackBaron]

Monica21 wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...
I guess it could be a threat if the king comes out and names it as a heir(who would believe Morrigan, seriously?) BUT, everyone else must remain in the dark about it's true identity and the child must hide it's magic.

I was just pointing out that with it's Archdemon-soul-child-of-apostate status it won't be accepted by the chantry.

And now I'm just thinking about how I can lead Alistair further down the dark path. I've already taken his virginity (which prompted the "lightning strike" comment) talked him into getting Morrigan pregnant and creating an old god, and now I could talk him into lying about it and potentially claiming the child as his. The evil me says "muahahahaha!!!!" and the good me goes "aww.... " with a sad face.

But it would also lead to sadface Alistair. As much as I like the guy, I just can't get enough of sadface Alistair.

[legbamel]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

The Couslands predate the founding of Ferelden so in all actuality Cousland bloodline is older then the Therin line... Just think if your female human noble n married Alistair n if you were to some how by some "miracle" able to concieve a child not only would you be continuing the Therin blood line but also the Cousland line (I know Fergus is still around but still)... The two oldest bloodlines in Fereldin united, hmm I like that idea lmao

We could marry Fergus to Goldanna!   Oh, wait, wrong side of the family.

[Rhinna]

odiedragon wrote...

Eamon *spit*

If an heir is so bloody important to these people, don't you think that if it was Alistair or Alistair/PC involved, one of them would ask Wynne about it?  To see if there was anything she could do?  In both my queen and chancellor mistress endings, Wynne stays at court with them, so she'd be around and avaliable.

The magic needed would not be magic that Wynne knows.  *BOOK SPOILER AHEAD*

When Fiona brought Maric his bastard son (Alastair) - she had NO TRACE of the taint, and she had been to Tevinter.  Of course, Ali has no way of knowing this, but if any place has the magic necessary to help keep the Theirin bloodline going and ensure a pregnancy between two Grey Wardens, Tevinter would.  of course, Wynne would have an apopletic fit once she found out about it, and you'd probably have to run her through with a sword to shut her up, thus enraging Alastair, so he'd prolly go off and knock up Princess Celine of Orlais in a fit of pique................ hmm well that's a whole 'nother story, isn't it? 

[odiedragon]

Wait, what? Where's the bit about Fiona having gone to Tevinter?

Fiona's son (Alistair or otherwise) was conceived while she was still tainted. Maric comments on how she was visibly corrupted when she left. She didn't go to Tevinter, flush the taint from her system, and then run down to Ferelden for happy sexy times with Maric.

Presuming what you said is true and I just missed something, why would Wynne be pissed about that? Do we know blood magic was involved? She doesn't hate Tevinter. In fact, in my mage playthrough she goes there after the Blight is over!

Modifié par odiedragon, 31 janvier 2010 - 10:05 .

[highcastle]

draxynnus wrote...

Errant: I don't think he ever actually wants to be king, hardened or not. However, the hardened Alistair is... more able to see the necessity of it, I suppose is the best way to put it, and takes it more seriously if he does get put on the throne, while the unhardened Alistair is really more likely to end up being a puppet/figurehead for another character.

Harden Alistair, then tell him you support Anora for the throne. He will fight for it and flat out tell you he wants to be king.

[Thor Rand Al]

legbamel wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

The Couslands predate the founding of Ferelden so in all actuality Cousland bloodline is older then the Therin line... Just think if your female human noble n married Alistair n if you were to some how by some "miracle" able to concieve a child not only would you be continuing the Therin blood line but also the Cousland line (I know Fergus is still around but still)... The two oldest bloodlines in Fereldin united, hmm I like that idea lmao

We could marry Fergus to Goldanna!   Oh, wait, wrong side of the family.

I could never subject my brother to that kind of cruelty... That would be just cruel n wrong lmao