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[TheBlackBaron]

Fergus and Goldanna...oh lord, that'd go bad quickly. I'd have to go harden Fergus too.

[Thor Rand Al]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Fergus and Goldanna...oh lord, that'd go bad quickly. I'd have to go harden Fergus too.

More like disaster waiting to happen, you know the only thing she'd want is money, she'd bleed your brother dry n then ugh nm the thought, it's just to mean to do to your brother lmao... you'd really have to hate him to do that

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I'd sooner have Fergus marry the broodmother than Goldanna. At least he gets several pairs of boobs out of the deal.

[TheBlackBaron]

We should throw her and her progeny in the tower with Anora...to prevent any rival claims to the throne, of course.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I'd sooner have Fergus marry the broodmother than Goldanna. At least he gets several pairs of boobs out of the deal.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 01 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[Alyka]

blademaster7 wrote...

People are forgetting that Morrigan's son/daughter(most likely the latter) is probably gonna end up with magic... which rules out the theory of being a heir to the throne.

Not necessarily. Isolde's grandfather (I think she's says her grandfather.She does mention it runs on her side of the family) was a mage.She's not a mage but Connor is.Not every child born to a mage has the gift.

Then again, Morrigan is a child born to an abomination. So anything is possible.

Archdemons are Old Gods tainted by the darkspawn.They're not necessarily archdemons.They might not originally be high dragons or it's possible they could have the ability to shapechange like Flemeth.And if you talk to Morrigan about the ritual she says "in return, I concieve a child.One who will be born with the soul of an Old God."
Thing is we don't know too much about the Old Gods.One of the few things we do know though is they can "call" or speak telepathically to people. (ie:the Tevinter mages who became the first darkspawn). So if they were able to manipulate them, whose to say they can't manipulate anyone they want to, including the Chantry and nobility.
There's still a possiblity for Alistair/Morrigan's son/daughter to be able to take over the throne be it by blood or by force.
Fergus would be a better choice to rule over Eamon.He could also marry the noblity of Orlais thus ending the feud between Fereldan and Orlais. Sort of a peace treaty.
How does Goldanna factor in all this? Her father isn't King Maric.She tells Alistair when you go to visit her that "your father forced himself on my mother".I thought she was a commoner.

[Slayer299]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Well I'm sure my PC named after myself won't have problems, because I know I don't shoot blanks haha. And if Anora doesn't produce the needed child, she can always be replaced. "I had no idea those stairs were icy."

snicker, snicker!

[Thor Rand Al]

Alyka wrote...

How does Goldanna factor in all this? Her father isn't King Maric.She tells Alistair when you go to visit her that "your father forced himself on my mother".I thought she was a commoner.

I think the first person to mention Goldanna was making a joke... At first the convo was about Fergus

[Carodej]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Yeah, Eamon's got no real blood connection to Alistair. More than that, his only son is getting shipped off the Circle and put under Chantry control and I don't think he's up to producing anymore. So there's probably no real chance of that being a problem.

What about Teagan? He'd be in the same situation as Eamon, I guess, with no blood connection to Alistair, but he is a good deal younger, and IIRC female Couslands can flirt with him.

Greyshaft: I always figured the kid would be a girl. Gotta keep the Witch of the Wilds line going, right?

I just finished reading The Stolen Throne, and in the book they mention that Eamon is only 7 years older than Teagan.

[Alyka]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Alyka wrote...

How does Goldanna factor in all this? Her father isn't King Maric.She tells Alistair when you go to visit her that "your father forced himself on my mother".I thought she was a commoner.

I think the first person to mention Goldanna was making a joke... At first the convo was about Fergus

I was just asking because I thought they might be serious. My bad! hehe.

[TheBlackBaron]

Carodej wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Yeah, Eamon's got no real blood connection to Alistair. More than that, his only son is getting shipped off the Circle and put under Chantry control and I don't think he's up to producing anymore. So there's probably no real chance of that being a problem.

What about Teagan? He'd be in the same situation as Eamon, I guess, with no blood connection to Alistair, but he is a good deal younger, and IIRC female Couslands can flirt with him.

Greyshaft: I always figured the kid would be a girl. Gotta keep the Witch of the Wilds line going, right?

I just finished reading The Stolen Throne, and in the book they mention that Eamon is only 7 years older than Teagan.

Really? Eamon seems quite old, or rather, Teagan looks a good deal younger than him

I really need to read the damn books.

[Addai]

odiedragon wrote...
 From the viewpoint of the society though, where fertility is OBVIOUSLY the woman's fault <_< it would make sense to take Eamon's fears (Eamon *spit*) into consideration when deciding who should take the throne.  A slim chance of Alistair and Bimbo Bannorn conceiving might be a better choice than a woman who's "proven" to be barren.

If you read The Stolen Throne, Eamon's perspective makes sense.  People fought and died- lots of people- to save Maric and get the Calenhad throne back.  It was what kept Ferelden together and motivated them to become an independent country again.  It's like with the War of the Roses in England, the reason Henry VIII was so desperate for an heir (besides his own megalomania) was to keep the country from civil war again.  It's not fair, but neither is it fair to put so much pressure on the king, either, with a whole country looking to him.

LOL to Bimbo Bannorn.

Re. Teagan:  You can flirt with him as a female PC even if you're not a noble.  He doesn't appear too concerned with marrying a noble, especially since if he meets Kaitlyn he ends up with her.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[Carodej]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Carodej wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Yeah, Eamon's got no real blood connection to Alistair. More than that, his only son is getting shipped off the Circle and put under Chantry control and I don't think he's up to producing anymore. So there's probably no real chance of that being a problem.

What about Teagan? He'd be in the same situation as Eamon, I guess, with no blood connection to Alistair, but he is a good deal younger, and IIRC female Couslands can flirt with him.

Greyshaft: I always figured the kid would be a girl. Gotta keep the Witch of the Wilds line going, right?

I just finished reading The Stolen Throne, and in the book they mention that Eamon is only 7 years older than Teagan.

Really? Eamon seems quite old, or rather, Teagan looks a good deal younger than him

I really need to read the damn books.

Well, the exact quote from Rowan's thoughts is "Eamon would be fifteen now, Teagan only eight."  So depending on the exact birthdates, it could be closer to six or eight years difference between them.  But whatever the exact difference, it would seem much less than implied in the game.

[bluecuban]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

People are forgetting that Morrigan's son/daughter(most likely the latter) is probably gonna end up with magic... which rules out the theory of being a heir to the throne.

I, for one, would not be interested in saying "no" to a goddess/god once she/he matured to the point where they could rule on their own.

How do we know the child won't become possessed by Morrigan/Flemeth and actually be her/her?

Has anyone else noticed that when Morrigan makes you the ritual offer, a few streaks of her hair have become grey in the same color as Flemeth's hair?  For all we know, your PC/Alistair/Loghain slept with Flemeth the whole time...

[Thor Rand Al]

bluecuban wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

People are forgetting that Morrigan's son/daughter(most likely the latter) is probably gonna end up with magic... which rules out the theory of being a heir to the throne.

I, for one, would not be interested in saying "no" to a goddess/god once she/he matured to the point where they could rule on their own.

How do we know the child won't become possessed by Morrigan/Flemeth and actually be her/her?

Has anyone else noticed that when Morrigan makes you the ritual offer, a few streaks of her hair have become grey in the same color as Flemeth's hair?  For all we know, your PC/Alistair/Loghain slept with Flemeth the whole time...

Or it could be that preparing the ritual itself, (not actually sleeping with the warden) might of taken some major magic n energy doin it... For a ritual like that to happen it would be ver draining... To bad you couldn't actually see her doing the ritual, it make it more believable... All you see is her sauntering over to the warden n leaning across him n blowing out the candle... Thank the Maker thats all you see, her goin at it with Alistair, ugh...

[Alyka]

bluecuban wrote...


How do we know the child won't become possessed by Morrigan/Flemeth and actually be her/her?

Has anyone else noticed that when Morrigan makes you the ritual offer, a few streaks of her hair have become grey in the same color as Flemeth's hair?  For all we know, your PC/Alistair/Loghain slept with Flemeth the whole time...

I never noticed that. I'll have to pay close attention the next time I do the ritual.Sleeping with Flemeth....that's a creepy thought.

[TheBlackBaron]

bluecuban wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I, for one, would not be interested in saying "no" to a goddess/god once she/he matured to the point where they could rule on their own.

How do we know the child won't become possessed by Morrigan/Flemeth and actually be her/her?

Has anyone else noticed that when Morrigan makes you the ritual offer, a few streaks of her hair have become grey in the same color as Flemeth's hair?  For all we know, your PC/Alistair/Loghain slept with Flemeth the whole time...

We don't, I just like to think BioWare has a bit more creativity than that.

Besides, posessing Voodoo Child  would require displacing the soul of the Old God that makes it so valuable in the first place, thus defeating the purpose entirely.

[TheBlackBaron]

Also - went and checked a video of the ritual on YouTube since I was already there browsing ME2 stuff. I don't think her hair has any grey streaks in the natural black, and the video was in 720p...then again I am in my glasses right now. Make what you will of it.

[Seymour_North]

> Besides, posessing Voodoo Child would require displacing the soul of the Old God that makes it

> so valuable in the first place, thus defeating the purpose entirely.



I thought the idea was joint tenancy--essentially, a sane abomination--like the accommodation it's implied Flemeth reached with her demon.

[TheBlackBaron]

Seymour_North wrote...

> Besides, posessing Voodoo Child would require displacing the soul of the Old God that makes it
> so valuable in the first place, thus defeating the purpose entirely.

I thought the idea was joint tenancy--essentially, a sane abomination--like the accommodation it's implied Flemeth reached with her demon.

The impression I got was that it took a damn long time for that to work out like it did. This would only be a decade or two after, and probably quite impossible for Morrigan to attempt. Flemeth might, I guess, but that would lead to a remarkably crowded mortal vessel.

[Seymour_North]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Seymour_North wrote...

> Besides, posessing Voodoo Child would require displacing the soul of the Old God that makes it
> so valuable in the first place, thus defeating the purpose entirely.

I thought the idea was joint tenancy--essentially, a sane abomination--like the accommodation it's implied Flemeth reached with her demon.

The impression I got was that it took a damn long time for that to work out like it did. This would only be a decade or two after, and probably quite impossible for Morrigan to attempt. Flemeth might, I guess, but that would lead to a remarkably crowded mortal vessel.

Morrigan seems to have a reasonably high opinion of her own power. Maybe she figures that she can move in when she's ready, and start the adjustment phase from the inside.
If it were Flemeth moving in, maybe she'd boot the original demon in favor of the Old God?

[TheBlackBaron]

Not sure about Flemeth - it's entirely possible her whole shenanigan has gone on too long for either her or the demon to separate themselves.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 01 février 2010 - 07:31 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

If the whole point is to make sure there's no heir of the Theyrin bloodline, then Anora pretty much has to be barren. Think about it.



Fem PC + Al = no kid

Male PC + Anora = no kid

Al + Anora= no kid

Al alone = no kid

Anora alone = no kid

[Thor Rand Al]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If the whole point is to make sure there's no heir of the Theyrin bloodline, then Anora pretty much has to be barren. Think about it.

Fem PC + Al = no kid
Male PC + Anora = no kid
Al + Anora= no kid
Al alone = no kid
Anora alone = no kid

Al alone doesn't work cause he could later get married n possibly have a child

[blademaster7]

Guys, I think we solved the riddle of Morrigan. She want's the child so she can put it on the throne and solve the problems of Ferelden!

... or not


The child is a heir only if the father is Alistair(as king) or a Cousland that arranged to marry Anora.

The poor kid is probably a vessel for Morrigan/Flemeth anyway

Modifié par blademaster7, 01 février 2010 - 09:58 .

[nos_astra]

But isn't the chance to make a child for one Grey Warden incredibly slim already? I thought Fiona said so. Funny how man people think that a very slim chancr of conceiving will definitely lead to an heir.