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[Spectre_907]

C9316 wrote...

was actually gonna start a topic about this today but anyway judging the situation that it was made to quell I think at that point in time it was neccessary to have a control agent of Krogan birthrates. However mordin and other scientists will say that the genophage doesn't kill just effects fertility rates this is not true if this was the case then why is there a small number of fertile females? shouldn't all females be fertile if it just effects birth rates also if it didn't kill why do so many still births occur? and why did they decide 1 in 1000? why not 10 in 1000 but nevertheless it was neccessary at the time but then a modified genophage really? hadn't the Krogan suffered enough from the first plauge? so imo its really the modified one that is unethical and just plain unforgivable

Fertility rate is not the same as crude birth rate, which I would assume is what the one in one-thousand ratio refers to since crude birth rates are measured that way (number of births per 1000 individuals in the given population). Fertility rate is specific to each female, measuring the average number of births per lifetime of a given female. I would assume that the distribution of fertility rates amongst the krogan females is not uniform so some will be more fertile than others. Fertility rate need not be purely biological either. Other, non-biological, contributing factors could occur, i.e., economic development, medical technology, etc.

Why one in one-thousand? Because anything greater would risk overpopulation.

Why the modified genophage? Because the krogan political infrastructure was unstable at the time. Not to mention a significant number of krogan were under Saren's influence. It would almost be like taking several warring factions and cloning their armies while doing nothing to stop the fighting. It's chaos.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 26 mai 2010 - 05:25 .

[lovgreno]

Mordins choices are ethicaly wrong but logicaly right, wich is something he fully understands. Mordins story was realy good. It would be interesting if the choice of keeping or destroying the cure would have some real consequences in ME3.

[Spartas Husky]

I loved Mordin. Is like The atomic bomb. It wasn't right, but it was necessary, to preserve the majority of both sides.



The genphage is the same, is not right from any point, but is necessary to prevent the extintion of the krogan, and genocide of every other specie due to the krogan.



I loved Mordin's character, very true to life when it comes to military research. Nicely done whoever came up with his character.

[V4nBl00d]

It's too bad Bioware will have to let Mordin die in ME3. If he was still there, it wouldn't matter if you saved the data or not.

[scorptatious]

V4nBl00d wrote...

It's too bad Bioware will have to let Mordin die in ME3. If he was still there, it wouldn't matter if you saved the data or not.

Wouldn't someone else carry on his work than? Also what makes you so sure he'll die in ME3?

[pf17456]

So bottom line is that the genophage was the Salarian way of telling the Krogan to go 'f*** themselves.

[Raphael diSanto]

scorptatious wrote...

V4nBl00d wrote...

It's too bad Bioware will have to let Mordin die in ME3. If he was still there, it wouldn't matter if you saved the data or not.

Wouldn't someone else carry on his work than? Also what makes you so sure he'll die in ME3?

Old age. That's all. He's gettin' up there, sadly

[JamesGray33]

I think all of the decisions made in loyalty mission will affect the third game. I believe loyalty missions like Mordin's, Tali's, Legion's and Samara's are some of the most important and will have major impacts on the third game.

Mordin and Shepard will most likely be confronted about the decision to keep/erase the genophage data and depending on what you chose or paragon/renegade score you'll get the krogan support for your awesome army against the reapers...

[V4nBl00d]

@scorptatious: i mean Mordin said he wouldn't even need the data to cure the genophage. I think now there are two possibilitys in me3, the first is Mordin was wrong and can't cure it.
The second possibility is that Mordin dies and the Salarians are all like 'all the real brainiacs who worked on the genophage are dead (salarians don't live that long), we need the research data that crazy guy made in ME2'.
I guess that the second one is more likely to happen.

If Mordin survives all the choices we made about destroying the cure or not would be senseless and that means big consequences in your ......

Modifié par V4nBl00d, 04 juin 2010 - 09:31 .

[crooked]

I have to admit, it was a difficult choice for me aswell.
But in the end it was crystal clear to me what had to be done. Even on my renegade char I couldn't bring myself to destroying the date, and not just because I love the krogan species.
Introducing the genophage as an act of war is excusable, but withholding a cure in the aftermath when it's obvious the entire species is suffering immensly because of it, that's just unethical and holds no excuse. The Krogan already payed for what they did and they have proven to be not just a bunch of wild beasts. One could compare it to withholding treatment from victims of the hiroshima and nagasaki bombs.

EDIT: (looks like some1 else made this parallel aswell )

Modifié par crooked, 10 juin 2010 - 10:07 .

[JohnnyBeGood2]

lovgreno wrote...
Mordins choices are ethicaly wrong but logicaly right, wich is something he fully understands. Mordins story was realy good. It would be interesting if the choice of keeping or destroying the cure would have some real consequences in ME3.

I don't think it was ethically wrong at all. It they ran models are were thorough about what they completely believed were the implications of Krogan population overrun, and were able to achieve their stabilisation of the Population, what they did was not unethical at all. And by that I mean not immoral.
Nothing immoral at all about stabilising the population until - as he said - their culture is able to match its advancement.
I agreed almost completely with what Mordin did.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Spartas Husky wrote...
I loved Mordin. Is like The atomic bomb. It wasn't right, but it was necessary, to preserve the majority of both sides.
The genphage is the same, is not right from any point, but is necessary to prevent the extintion of the krogan, and genocide of every other specie due to the krogan.
I loved Mordin's character, very true to life when it comes to military research. Nicely done whoever came up with his character.

I dare say if it was necessary on both sides, it was indeed right. What concerns me more is whether the Coucil have resolved how to go about making sure they don't have to do it again... Rachni and then Krogan... that's 2 strikes... need to make sure you put yourself in a position where it doesn't /can't happen again. If it happens again it means the habit of reorting to genocidl warfare is a way of life... and that's fail on the part of the Council.

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 11 juin 2010 - 03:55 .

[FoFoZem]

Masticetobbacco wrote...



was nuking the japanese also the right descision?

Very much so. In my opinion at least.

I support the genophage. Ethics aside, no one can deny it's necessity

[FoFoZem]

Double Post

Modifié par FoFoZem, 11 juin 2010 - 04:13 .

[Epic777]

I dislike the genophage, its roots are because of the council not the krogan. I view it as a problem with out solution