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[Sir_Cabbage]

End of the game, before they show the reaper fleet activating... was anyone else just hit with a giant wave of sadness when they realised that, the collectors wernt far gone.. the leader was just indoctrinated? then, the reaper stopped controlling the poor prothean, who began to look around.. only to be blown up ;_; POOR PROTHEAN 

[JudgeQwerty]

Poor guy. His first and last thought was probably, "I'm free!" just before the fireball hit,

[ExodusRex]

Well, it could be possible he was conscious the whole time he was being ridden by a reaper. Maybe he lived long enough to enjoy his life before he was summoned by his master for indoctrination. Maybe he was proud to be chosen.

[Endo322]

tbh he was kinda a dick

[Sleepicub09]

ExodusRex wrote...

Well, it could be possible he was conscious the whole time he was being ridden by a reaper. Maybe he lived long enough to enjoy his life before he was summoned by his master for indoctrination. Maybe he was proud to be chosen.

no he and all collectors were indoctrinated

[JudgeQwerty]

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

Modifié par JudgeQwerty, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:47 .

[Sleepicub09]

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

you mean harbinger

[Nyaore]

Frankly I saw their deaths as being rather merciful given the hell that the Reapers put them through, and the fact that in-game speculation states that indoctrination is all together permanent once you reach a certain point. Not to mention the insights Mordin gives you on their current culture, and how it's essentially stagnated thanks to all the 'improvements' and genetic cloning/selective breeding on the part of the Reapers.

It is a shame that you couldn't redeem them though...

[Sleepicub09]

no sorry not harbinger

[Sir_Cabbage]

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

didnt you see the end though? mordin didnt know for sure... but the reaper said, "releasing control" like the habringer did normally, then, the harbringer started acting totally different for a few seconds, confused and such. It was obviously some form of indoctrination being released, becuase that collector WAS free for a few moments, 


if you dont beleive me, re-watch on youtube. You should be able to see it. His eyes were glowing, then the reaper said he had failed,dissapeared, his eyes stopped glowing.. he went down, most likely out of sadness or shock of all thatr happened, turned around to see the explosion looking very empty inside. He was being controled in one way or another

Modifié par Sir_Cabbage, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:00 .

[Nyaore]

Sir_Cabbage wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

didnt you see the end though? mordin didnt know for sure... but the reaper said, "releasing control" like the habringer did normally, then, the harbringer started acting totally different for a few seconds, confused and such. It was obviously some form of indoctrination being released, becuase that collector WAS free for a few moments, 


if you dont beleive me, re-watch on youtube. You should be able to see it 

To play devil's advocate, Mordin also mentioned that the Collectors had been outfited with technology to help morph them to the Reaper's needs - and he heavily implied that their bodies contained some of this tech as well. It's possible that tech could have allowed the Reaper's to control them remotely, without invoking the risks to a subject's usefulness that usually comes with pure indoctrination, and could even explain how Harbringer was able to assume the forms of various Collectors that you fight.

Again, just playing devil's advocate. Personally I think it was a mixture of both indoctrination and tech, but that's just me.

Modifié par Nyaore, 31 janvier 2010 - 01:58 .

[Sleepicub09]

Nyaore wrote...

Sir_Cabbage wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

didnt you see the end though? mordin didnt know for sure... but the reaper said, "releasing control" like the habringer did normally, then, the harbringer started acting totally different for a few seconds, confused and such. It was obviously some form of indoctrination being released, becuase that collector WAS free for a few moments, 


if you dont beleive me, re-watch on youtube. You should be able to see it 

To play devil's advocate, Mordin also mentioned that the Collectors had been outfited with technology to help morph them to the Reaper's needs - and he heavily implied that their bodies contained some of this tech as well. It's possible that tech could have allowed the Reaper's to control them remotely, without invoking the risks to a subject's usefulness that usually comes with pure indoctrination, and could even explain how Harbringer was able to assume the forms of various Collectors that you fight.

Again, just playing devil's advocate. Personally I think it was a mixture of both indoctrination and tech, but that's just me.

o f course it was

[Sir_Cabbage]

I know there was nothing we could have done, but I wish we could have released the protheans from their control and didnt have to kill them all... but I doubt it would be possible



I wouldnt keep the facilty based on the fact the reapers could still find a way to control it, i mean, it was a facilty for breeding giant sentiant machines, who is to say we could even teach a reaper we make to even accept us and work with us? For all we know, the crap the reaper said about being forever there was a lie, and the reapers were made by a race, who realised it was impossible to beat sentiant machines. I mean, this isnt standard AI or geth style networking here, they are full on lifeforms.



But that is off topic, since, even if you did keep the station the collectors would still die before being released from control

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

The collectors were bred to serve the reapers, with the exception of the general because a leader needs to be adaptive and unindocrinated so Harbinger constantly controlled him. They went out with a bang and there are no more since they only had one ship and one base, nowhere to run.

[The_mango55]

They aren't protheans anymore.
They don't even look like protheans. Protheans are squid-heads.
Any sort of individual thought, culture, or compassion has been cut out of their species after thousands of generations.

Modifié par The_mango55, 31 janvier 2010 - 02:25 .

[JudgeQwerty]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

you mean harbinger

No, I mean the specific Collector that Harbinger used to observe the others.

Sir_Cabbage wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

didnt you see the end though? mordin didnt know for sure... but the reaper said, "releasing control" like the habringer did normally, then, the harbringer started acting totally different for a few seconds, confused and such. It was obviously some form of indoctrination being released, becuase that collector WAS free for a few moments, 


if you dont beleive me, re-watch on youtube. You should be able to see it. His eyes were glowing, then the reaper said he had failed,dissapeared, his eyes stopped glowing.. he went down, most likely out of sadness or shock of all thatr happened, turned around to see the explosion looking very empty inside. He was being controled in one way or another

Which is what I mean when I wonder how the CG was unique from the others.

[Litos456]

Heh, I never realized they were under the control of the reapers. I thought they were actually evil, wanting to work with the reapers. Also I never thought the collector leader was nice at all, even at the end. He's kinda funny when he walks with his fatty body...

[GarethF37]

I was very sad, the whole time I didn't realize Harbinger was a Reaper, I assumed that this General was some sort of Queen, controlling the lesser Collectors much in the same way that ants or bees would.

It wasn't until the final scene that I realized that the Collectors (knowing now that they are former Protheans) were being controlled by a Reaper, Harbinger.

[ODST 3]

Sir_Cabbage wrote...

End of the game, before they show the reaper fleet activating... was anyone else just hit with a giant wave of sadness when they realised that, the collectors wernt far gone.. the leader was just indoctrinated? then, the reaper stopped controlling the poor prothean, who began to look around.. only to be blown up ;_; POOR PROTHEAN 

Me too! I felt so bad for that dude. He was completely helpless. Goddamn Reapers!

[Schneidend]

Talks with Mordin pretty much foreshadowed this. He mentions how the Collectors, despite being organized and reliant on swarm tactics, seemed to have an underlying contempt for individual drones in their genetic structure and culture, or lack thereof. They were all expendable, and then we found out they actually were "built" by somebody, or something, that disdained their very existence: Harbinger.

[newcomplex]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

you mean harbinger

Harbinger is the reaper controlling that guy.   

[Muatah]

Up until the very end I hadn't given a second thought to the collector's motivations, but I felt a very tangible pang of sympathy for the collector general at the end, when it is revealed that he was being controlled by a reaper all along. The Collector General had the exact same look as a dog that's just been beaten by its master =(

[Sleepicub09]

newcomplex wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

JudgeQwerty wrote...

Not indoctrinated. Not even really bred per se, but rather rebuilt as Reaper goons. Mordin states they have no culture whatsoever, no individuality, not a single hint of sapience. They're mindless drones without any identity whatsoever.

Though I keep wondering abouit the Collector General and how he was unique.

you mean harbinger

Harbinger is the reaper controlling that guy.   

learn to read down buddy