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[Eliono]

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[jcharb03]

ChuckNorris18 wrote...

Kit-Kat-Kun wrote...

Why would he give Shepard all those resources, send him to destroy the Reaper's servants (Collectors) and all around fight them if he was allied with them? Wouldn't it have been much easier to simply devote those resources to killing the only person who could foil their plans, Shepard, rather than setting him up for a massive betrayal?

Why else would he want shepard to save the collector base, I mean that request is just unreasonable.

It was a COLLECTOR base, not a reaper base, the collectors were suppose to be all destroyed but judging by the lack of resistance we got on the mission i doubt they are all dead.  Who knows tho we need to wait and see

[ChuckNorris18]

Kit-Kat-Kun wrote...

ChuckNorris18 wrote...

Kit-Kat-Kun wrote...

Why would he give Shepard all those resources, send him to destroy the Reaper's servants (Collectors) and all around fight them if he was allied with them? Wouldn't it have been much easier to simply devote those resources to killing the only person who could foil their plans, Shepard, rather than setting him up for a massive betrayal?

Why else would he want shepard to save the collector base, I mean that request is just unreasonable.

Its not unresonable at all. The collector base can provide tech that's needed to destroy the reapers, since it was created by the collectors(who are controlled by reapers) its basicly reaper tech.

Whose to say that the illusive man doesn't want to preserve it for the reapers, because if you choose to save the base in the ending you see ships that look like reaper ships approaching the base on his holographic screen thing.

[grumpymooselion]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hurbster wrote...

His eyes scare me..

Renegade Shepard's eyes are scarier.

My Shepard's face fell off.

[Naksux]

Maybe Illusive Man is the Shadow Broker? Well surely he's not reaper, couse if he would then cerberus wouldn't need those science facilities. But if he would be shadowbroker why would he need to ''sell'' shepards body? But what i do think is that Illusive Man is Mirandas father and that Miranda is just gaining Shepards trust for something. In game always u speak/report to illusive man you see him watching some planet(?)/thing and alone. But when u start the game Miranda is not some hologram you can see that perfectly when compared Shepard-TIM discussion. And becouse in starting game video miranda is near TIM in ''presence'' like in blood and flesh why did she lie to shepard that nowone really knows who TIM is.

In the ends cutscene we see huge reaper fleet coming from darkspace. And that shepard get's the datapad which had somekind scanning results on reaper similar to cutscene and Sovereing's form.

[Canlann]

Anyone noticed the redbrurning "sun" thing in space TIM wattches at from his deck turned white /light blue colored once shepp comes back? any ideas about what it means? let me wonder big time myself...i'll read ideas about that happily

[jcharb03]

I dont see the Reapers having a base really, they just sit in dark space and are ships i dont see them having much need for a base or any functions a base provides

[AlphaJarmel]

jcharb03 wrote...

ChuckNorris18 wrote...

Kit-Kat-Kun wrote...

Why would he give Shepard all those resources, send him to destroy the Reaper's servants (Collectors) and all around fight them if he was allied with them? Wouldn't it have been much easier to simply devote those resources to killing the only person who could foil their plans, Shepard, rather than setting him up for a massive betrayal?

Why else would he want shepard to save the collector base, I mean that request is just unreasonable.

It was a COLLECTOR base, not a reaper base, the collectors were suppose to be all destroyed but judging by the lack of resistance we got on the mission i doubt they are all dead.  Who knows tho we need to wait and see

The Reapers were obviously heavily heavily involved.  Harbinger is assumed to be a Reaper and controlling the Collector General.  The Collectors are pretty obviously done and the third game will be full on dedicated to stopping the Reapers.  The Illusive Man does mean well as he is trying to protect humanity.  Someone in the game made a very good point.  Each of the Council races have their own little force that is dedicated to helping the race only such as the Salarian special task force and the Asari Commandos.

[Brahlis]

Cerberus is there for the survival of humanity.



They want you to keep the facility.



What better way to preserve humanity for eternity and impose dominance than you create a race of Reapers from humans?

[Housecat4]

If he was working for the reapers, and guarding the citadel and sorts why does it show all the reapers coming towards the milky way at the end of the game.



i in fact believe the illusive man is the shadow broker. i mean how could he know so much and he use shepard to "confirm" his information?

[ChuckNorris18]

Housecat4 wrote...

If he was working for the reapers, and guarding the citadel and sorts why does it show all the reapers coming towards the milky way at the end of the game.

i in fact believe the illusive man is the shadow broker. i mean how could he know so much and he use shepard to "confirm" his information?

According to Liara the shadow broker was trying to sell Shepard to the collectors.

[AlphaJarmel]

ChuckNorris18 wrote...

Housecat4 wrote...

If he was working for the reapers, and guarding the citadel and sorts why does it show all the reapers coming towards the milky way at the end of the game.

i in fact believe the illusive man is the shadow broker. i mean how could he know so much and he use shepard to "confirm" his information?

According to Liara the shadow broker was trying to sell Shepard to the collectors.

Also the Shadow Broker has existed for longer than humans were in space.  It would seem very very suspicious for a Shadow Broker to appear when all of a sudden humanity is involved in Citadel space.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Illusive man wants to create a human hegemony. An Empire. I don't see that as "bad" or "evil". Besides, seeing how huge the Reaper fleet is, I think it would be safest to preserve the base and study reaper technology. This would allow humanity to skyrocket and become the most advanced species in the galaxy. That's a good thing imo.

Is there potnetial for disaster in the long run? There always is a risk. But I still side with the Illusive Man on this one.

[A. Cameron]

*SPOILER ALERT*



The Illusive man IS Harbinger!!!



Seriously though. There is just something dodgy about how smug he looked when my Shep gave him the Collector base. Something big is gonna go down in ME3.



And just a question; How do you take over Cerberus?

[Jetfire99]

Really in the end the TIM might think he can control the reaper tech but in the end it will bite him on the butt. The only Reaper tech safely back engineered was their weapon systems from Sov.

[A. Cameron]

Oh! And there is the ever present question; Is Martin Sheen really evil enough to take over the galaxy?

[Naksux]

Maybe Illusive Man is the Shadow Broker? Well surely he's not reaper, couse if he would then cerberus wouldn't need those science facilities. But if he would be shadowbroker why would he need to ''sell'' shepards body? But what i do think is that Illusive Man is Mirandas father and that Miranda is just gaining Shepards trust for something. In game always u speak/report to illusive man you see him watching some planet(?)/thing and alone. But when u start the game Miranda is not some hologram you can see that perfectly when compared Shepard-TIM discussion. And becouse in starting game video miranda is near TIM in ''presence'' like in blood and flesh why did she lie to shepard that nowone really knows who TIM is.

In the ends cutscene we see huge reaper fleet coming from darkspace. And that shepard get's the datapad which had somekind scanning results on reaper similar to cutscene and Sovereing's form.

[PathofDaggers]

Three gates: The Citadel; the Mu Relay; the Omega 4 Relay. each to a different hell: Darkspace, the home of the Reapers; Ilos, the last fortress of the Protheans/ the lawless termines system; The center of the galaxy, home of the Collectors and a massive black hole. The three gates to each hell is a head. The Illusive Man and the operatives that work for him are the bodies. Together the make Cerberus and guard each hell.





Thats my theory

[ChuckNorris18]

^^^

Thats actually a good theory.

[Naksux]

PathofDaggers wrote...

Three gates: The Citadel; the Mu Relay; the Omega 4 Relay. each to a different hell: Darkspace, the home of the Reapers; Ilos, the last fortress of the Protheans/ the lawless termines system; The center of the galaxy, home of the Collectors and a massive black hole. The three gates to each hell is a head. The Illusive Man and the operatives that work for him are the bodies. Together the make Cerberus and guard each hell.


Thats my theory

I don't see the Mu Relay as such hell gate. There's a lot more than ilos. And inside ilos there's conduit that leads to citadel -> darkspace. But i think that there's got to be more than just citadel sized mass relay leading to darkspace = nothing. I would gues that theres a huge relay on darkspace that links to other galaxies, or the citadel links to other huge citadel relay on other galaxy. Couse if the reapers are stationed on darkspace between galaxies why would't they harvest other galaxies while waiting milky way's organics to develop the paths they desire

[PathofDaggers]

Naksux wrote...

PathofDaggers wrote...

Three gates: The Citadel; the Mu Relay; the Omega 4 Relay. each to a different hell: Darkspace, the home of the Reapers; Ilos, the last fortress of the Protheans/ the lawless termines system; The center of the galaxy, home of the Collectors and a massive black hole. The three gates to each hell is a head. The Illusive Man and the operatives that work for him are the bodies. Together the make Cerberus and guard each hell.


Thats my theory

I don't see the Mu Relay as such hell gate. There's a lot more than ilos. And inside ilos there's conduit that leads to citadel -> darkspace. But i think that there's got to be more than just citadel sized mass relay leading to darkspace = nothing. I would gues that theres a huge relay on darkspace that links to other galaxies, or the citadel links to other huge citadel relay on other galaxy. Couse if the reapers are stationed on darkspace between galaxies why would't they harvest other galaxies while waiting milky way's organics to develop the paths they desire

Perhaps a relay hub. Multiple relays in darkspace either all attached to one massive station or multiple relays within an extremely close proximity that each lead to a different citadel in different galaxies

[AlphaJarmel]

Naksux wrote...

Maybe Illusive Man is the Shadow Broker? Well surely he's not reaper, couse if he would then cerberus wouldn't need those science facilities. But if he would be shadowbroker why would he need to ''sell'' shepards body? But what i do think is that Illusive Man is Mirandas father and that Miranda is just gaining Shepards trust for something. In game always u speak/report to illusive man you see him watching some planet(?)/thing and alone. But when u start the game Miranda is not some hologram you can see that perfectly when compared Shepard-TIM discussion. And becouse in starting game video miranda is near TIM in ''presence'' like in blood and flesh why did she lie to shepard that nowone really knows who TIM is.
In the ends cutscene we see huge reaper fleet coming from darkspace. And that shepard get's the datapad which had somekind scanning results on reaper similar to cutscene and Sovereing's form.

The Illusive Man can't be the Shadow Broker due to time.  The Shadow Broker has existed for longer than thirty years which is roughly the amount of time humanity has been in space(FTL and Mass Effect stuff).

[Housecat4]

Naksux wrote...

PathofDaggers wrote...

Three gates: The Citadel; the Mu Relay; the Omega 4 Relay. each to a different hell: Darkspace, the home of the Reapers; Ilos, the last fortress of the Protheans/ the lawless termines system; The center of the galaxy, home of the Collectors and a massive black hole. The three gates to each hell is a head. The Illusive Man and the operatives that work for him are the bodies. Together the make Cerberus and guard each hell.


Thats my theory

I don't see the Mu Relay as such hell gate. There's a lot more than ilos. And inside ilos there's conduit that leads to citadel -> darkspace. But i think that there's got to be more than just citadel sized mass relay leading to darkspace = nothing. I would gues that theres a huge relay on darkspace that links to other galaxies, or the citadel links to other huge citadel relay on other galaxy. Couse if the reapers are stationed on darkspace between galaxies why would't they harvest other galaxies while waiting milky way's organics to develop the paths they desire

How about this. a bit deep..... But
perhaps why the reapers come through to destroy every civilization and
melt the race into a new reaper of the species used to create it is
because they are in fact saving them. I know he say salvation through
destruction. but what if they are saving each species and culture from
a different threat. something worse than the reapers. maybe the reapers
know theres something worse out in the universe that will come through
and destroy everything and to keep that from happening they destroy the
spread out civilization and put it into one reaper. could explain the
numbers the reapers have and the one destroy reaper we encounter in ME2

[Anticitizen1]

The Reapers are actually controlled from a space station by a Gopher with goggles.

Modifié par Anticitizen1, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:47 .