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[Schneidend]

Miranda a thousand times over. Ash never brought me back from the dead, and then the little witch was too self-righteous to see that Cerberus and I are the "good guys" in this war. To hell with her, and to hell with Liara. Let them have their petty little struggles. I've got a galaxy to save, dammit.

[Unschuld]

shinobi602 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Ash was racist and a direct subordinate in the Alliance military.

Miranda was an egotistical Cerberous drone.

Tough choice.

lulz, you got their characters completely wrong. You obviously did not delve into their characters AT ALL. I JUST beat the game with Miranda as my romance, and she couldn't be farther from an "egotistical Cerberus drone."

Perceptions based on primary analysis.

Ash also came on a bit strong, especially for a subordinate. This put me off that path. Perhaps its my personal background that makes fraternization unappealing.

Miranda was very much a Cerberus drone. Even after seeing her motives revolving around her family I was not impressed enough with her character enough to go for her. Egotistical attitude was still abrasive.

as another poster said, to each their own. That is what makes the relationships developed in this game so great.

[Jersey75639]

Another thing that is confusing to me is that people are talking like the ME1 romances are relationships and the ME2 romances are flings, but there seems to be a lot more emotional involvement in any of the ME2 romances than there was in the "drop and give me 20" ashley relationship.

[ljd121879]

Angelonedge wrote...

ljd121879 wrote...

Well sir, you are then missing the entire point of the game. That is NOT what the save function is for.

Maybe not to you, but games like this where a moral choice must be made, I use them that way. I don't have the luxury of doing multiple playthroughs as there are other games coming out, or time spent on other things. If you do/dedicate your time to replaying the same game over again to see all the different outcomes then kudos to you. I however do 1-2 playthroughs usually as a Paragon, then a Renegade and that's it.

Pretty sure I could not play this game enough time to make every combination.  However, the point of a moral decision is not to make a decision and if you don't like it do it again.  If you are only going to play this 2 or 3 times, one truly paragon and one renegade, you must be an idiot if you cant figure out blue is good, red is bad, and the noncolored ones are clearly skewed towards whether they are good or bad.  

[Angelonedge]

shinobi602 wrote...

Angelonedge wrote...

Seriously, you're starting to sound kinda trollish. I liked Ashley in ME1, that's why I romanced her. I like Miranda in ME2, but I'm carrying over from ME1.

Don't be so sensitive. I don't care if you think I'm trollish, whatever you want to think, that's fine. I'm in the same position, I really like both Ashley and Miranda, but I'm doing two seperate playthroughs for both of them, one staying loyal to Ash, and the other having a romance with Miranda.

I said no offense, I didn't mean it seriously. Just saying, it's the easiest solution.

Sorry just seemed like you were picking apart everything I said. So you're in my dilemma, but I don't really have the time/nor do I want to play through 2 storylines to make a choice. That's what I use the save option for, save right before the "big decision" and then if I don't like it reload and try again. What I'm really wanting to know is can I start a relationship with Miranda and see where it goes/ get to a final decision and do a save there, or do I have to be faithful all the way through for the game to not register me as cheating?

[shinobi602]

Unschuld wrote...

Miranda was very much a Cerberus drone. Even after seeing her motives revolving around her family I was not impressed enough with her character enough to go for her. Egotistical attitude was still abrasive.

Interesting, I got the complete opposite feeling. Ah well, cheers.

[The Shelf]

Nigawatts wrote...

I actually like Liara better in the sequel than I do Ashley, since she has actually evolved as a character. Ashley is basically the exact same person we met on Eden Prime.

Ashley has convictions and she sticks to them.  If you didn't see a change in her throughout ME1, it's because you didn't get close enough to her to effect those changes.

In any case, a dynamic character isn't necessarily better than a static character.

[Schneidend]

Unschuld wrote...

Miranda was very much a Cerberus drone. Even after seeing her motives revolving around her family I was not impressed enough with her character enough to go for her. Egotistical attitude was still abrasive.

Egotistical? Cerberus drone? I'm guessing you didn't talk to her much. I can also only assume that any amount of belief in a cause is being a "drone" to you. Miranda is actually very insecure, you'll find. Her confidence is just a facade to hide the fact that she thinks her enhanced genetics are what make her so successful, and the fear that she wouldn't be as successful if she were "natural."

[shinobi602]

Angelonedge wrote...

Sorry just seemed like you were picking apart everything I said. So you're in my dilemma, but I don't really have the time/nor do I want to play through 2 storylines to make a choice. That's what I use the save option for, save right before the "big decision" and then if I don't like it reload and try again. What I'm really wanting to know is can I start a relationship with Miranda and see where it goes/ get to a final decision and do a save there, or do I have to be faithful all the way through for the game to not register me as cheating?

Don't know if it will trigger it as "cheating", but you can go far enough to the point before the final mission and basically Miranda will tell Shepard let's get it on lol, and you can refuse, like in ME1 before Ilos...

[Jigero]

Angelonedge wrote...

Jig you posted while I was typing. Can you give me a specific on how far in before that point? Like if I romance Miranda up until the final mission, then call it off, or can I not start a romance period? I've read on some posts that some have slept with both Jack and Miranda. Basically when is it recognized as you've picked someone else? By your post I'm assuming it's before going to the relay?

Basicly it happens when you tell your new LI that you want to be with them, at this point they will just go into a loop everytime you talk to them about do you really wanna be with me or some thing. This all happens before the Omega 4 relay. Once you tell them you want to be with them shep flips the picture down. But I dunno if he flips it back up again if you refuse the LI later.

[Angelonedge]

ljd121879 wrote...

Angelonedge wrote...

ljd121879 wrote...

Well sir, you are then missing the entire point of the game. That is NOT what the save function is for.

Maybe not to you, but games like this where a moral choice must be made, I use them that way. I don't have the luxury of doing multiple playthroughs as there are other games coming out, or time spent on other things. If you do/dedicate your time to replaying the same game over again to see all the different outcomes then kudos to you. I however do 1-2 playthroughs usually as a Paragon, then a Renegade and that's it.

Pretty sure I could not play this game enough time to make every combination.  However, the point of a moral decision is not to make a decision and if you don't like it do it again.  If you are only going to play this 2 or 3 times, one truly paragon and one renegade, you must be an idiot if you cant figure out blue is good, red is bad, and the noncolored ones are clearly skewed towards whether they are good or bad.  

"you must be an idiot if you cant figure out blue is good, red is bad, and the noncolored ones are clearly skewed towards whether they are good or bad."

What the hell does this have to do with the rain in Spain? I know what Paragon and Renegade points/choices mean. Do you even read my posts or are you the illiterate idiot? You play the game differently than I do, whoop de do, I'm just asking for an easy response. Is there a place to save before making a final decision/game regestering cheating? If so where? Basically when do I have to make this decision before I'm forced to replay a whole new storyline. Is it at the beginning (meaning don't try anything with anybody) or is there a point in the game where whatever I've done doesn't mean anything (GAME WISE) and I can make my decision there. 

Let me give you some advise for life. I don't know you, but if you are the same in person as you are on here then listen carefully to what I have to say...don't be a sanctimonious sob and try to tell someone how to play a game, live their life, or anything else for that matter. In the future on forums, if you have something to contribute to the discussion then please do, if not gtfo. I generally try to get as much of an experience out of the first playthrough as I can because I don't know if I'll be doing a second. I'm a gamer, and once I'm done with a game I move on to the next (unless there's DLC). Bioshock 2, God of War 3, still haven't played Assasin's Creed 2, Heavy Rain, the list goes on and on. If you're the type that spends months on end playing through 3-4 storylines in Mass Effect 2 then that's great, me I move on after trying to do as much as I can and setting up my game for the next installment in the series. Some might play a game like this the same way as me, some might play it the "perfect" way like you do. That's fine. It's the way they like to play. You don't like the way I play then please feel free not to add me to your Xbox Live friends list.

Modifié par Angelonedge, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:55 .

[Angelonedge]

Thanks Shinobi and Jigero you've answered my question. Now I know I can playthrough more of the game before having to make that "save" before the big decision. One last question. Can I do the same with Jack? I know there's a "save" moment after you get done doing the second person's loyalty mission and they fight. Is this how someone romanced both of them?

Modifié par Angelonedge, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:45 .

[Unschuld]

Schneidend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Miranda was very much a Cerberus drone. Even after seeing her motives revolving around her family I was not impressed enough with her character enough to go for her. Egotistical attitude was still abrasive.

Egotistical? Cerberus drone? I'm guessing you didn't talk to her much. I can also only assume that any amount of belief in a cause is being a "drone" to you. Miranda is actually very insecure, you'll find. Her confidence is just a facade to hide the fact that she thinks her enhanced genetics are what make her so successful, and the fear that she wouldn't be as successful if she were "natural."

As I said, to each their own. If I don't like you, I don't even bother trying to talk to you... As a general rule. I didn't like Jack's personality either, so I didn't do her loyalty mission. Were it my choice I would have left her on Purgatory. Same with leaving Legion on the reaper ship to rot, but a cutscene forced my hand...

[Unschuld]

Whether you chose to pursue those characters is your own prerogative.

[DarthRic]

EchoTango wrote...

Angelonedge wrote...

In ME1 I romanced and "saved" Ashley. Should I stay loyal to her, or is Miranda a much better option? How far do I have to get with Miranda before the game recognizes that I've cheated on Ashley? Just so I know where to create an new save. 

There's a thread around here somewhere where the OP nails it I think.  I mean yeah you can play it anyway you want, there's no wrong answer.  But I think BioWare has got a brilliant piece of writing here.  The "love" of your life (Ash/Kaiden) has turned their back on you for now, you've all this other tail hanging around giving you doe eyes, it's real test if you want to go the monogamist route.

I romanced Ashley as a ParaShep in ME1, and will be turning down the other LI's until ME3.  Even though hot damn, Miranda's got it going on.

I salute you sir for your dedication to ash

I intend to create a "perfect" save which will be used for mass effect 3, which will have me remain faithful to ash

[Nightvision91]

I don't think those who left Ash for Miranda should be branded as bad people. I mean sure there was something with Ash, but I was going off my Shepard and what he would do. I do applaud those who remained loyal to Ash, but also agree with those who chose Miranda over Ash.

[MentalKase]

The game know that you persued a relationship with a new love interest. If you haven't noticed there is a picture frame in your cabin with your love intreset. If you persue your another love interest you'll find that picture frame face down.



Now I don't feel like I cheated with Ash because frankly she broke up with me on Horizon. I told her I was in coma for 2 years and she pretty much blew me off. So relation over Shepard is back on the market.

[Carthson]

Angelonedge wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Angelonedge wrote...

Thanks Echo for actually responding. I don't really understand all the "just choose" responses. My main question is how far alog can you get with Miranda before it "recognizes" that you've cheated on Ashley? That way I can save right before that point/experience it/and decide where to go from there. I don't really want to playthrough a whole new game, just to make one choice.

How is that your main question? First thing you asked is " Should I stay loyal to her, or is Miranda a much better option?"

Well...it comes down to...who do you like more? We can't tell you who to like...

Seriously, you're starting to sound kinda trollish. I liked Ashley in ME1, that's why I romanced her. I like Miranda in ME2, but I'm carrying over from ME1. I'd like to do abit of seeing how Miranda is, but I don't want to get too far along and not like the outcome; then have to start all over to stay loyal. Same goes with Jack. I'm asking how do you know when the right moment to save is before the game "recognizes" a new love interest. I'm not/don't really have the time to play through 3 storylines to figure out which one I'm going to go with. I don't play these games in a "true" role playing way, where I imagine myself as the character and have to make "real life" decisions. That's what the save function is for.

You at some point will have a rather flirty conversation with Miranda about admiring her personality and body. That's the last safe conversation you can have with her until the photo of Ash get's flipped down. You know you've gone too far when Miranda talks about her wanting "this", and she will come to you when she's ready.

[Lothial]

I don't know Ashley really pissed me off in this one. My first play through was with my female renegade import so it wasn't really a big deal. I just got to her on my second play through with my paragon male import who did hook up with her, and I was like what the hell!?



Don't get me wrong it's awesome that a game can draw an emotional response from me, but seriously when I got that "I'm sorry I blew up on you" message at my terminal from her I wanted to write her back, and tell her some ****. Why didn't I call!? For the love of God I got blasted into space, and fell in a body suit through a planetary atmosphere which probably turned me into a suit contained blob of meat on impact. That's why I didn't call.



Plus when I get out everyone in the alliance is all "Hey Shepard thanks for dying in the line of duty. What's that? No I can't tell you where Ashley is you might go and actually do whatever mission she is trying to do, but can't because she is too busy staring at your picture all day, and thinking about what a bastard you are for getting spaced."



Yeesh I've had real ex's who pissed me off less. Sorry i'm done now.

[Astalder]

I played myself my first time out, since I romanced Ashley but it had been two years I decided our first meeting would dictate what happens. Ashley basically blew me off and Ash/Shep decided to go their separate ways for now at least, and combined with the fact that with zero history I'd always take Miranda over Ashley that made it an easy decision.  In my first play through of ME3 we'll see what happens, I'll be inclined towards Miranda unless she splits.

Modifié par Astalder, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:05 .

[Schneidend]

Unschuld wrote...

As I said, to each their own. If I don't like you, I don't even bother trying to talk to you... As a general rule. I didn't like Jack's personality either, so I didn't do her loyalty mission. Were it my choice I would have left her on Purgatory. Same with leaving Legion on the reaper ship to rot, but a cutscene forced my hand...

I can't see why you'd want to leave Legion. At the very least you could interrogate him, reverse-engineer him, and then shoot him. At most, you have an expendable soldier with expert hacking skills and the potential for an exchange of technology with the true geth.

Besides, talking to Legion allows you to find out that the geth you've been fighting all this time are actually religious extremists, and not even close to their entire race.

[Angelonedge]

Carthson wrote...

Angelonedge wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Angelonedge wrote...

Thanks Echo for actually responding. I don't really understand all the "just choose" responses. My main question is how far alog can you get with Miranda before it "recognizes" that you've cheated on Ashley? That way I can save right before that point/experience it/and decide where to go from there. I don't really want to playthrough a whole new game, just to make one choice.

How is that your main question? First thing you asked is " Should I stay loyal to her, or is Miranda a much better option?"

Well...it comes down to...who do you like more? We can't tell you who to like...

Seriously, you're starting to sound kinda trollish. I liked Ashley in ME1, that's why I romanced her. I like Miranda in ME2, but I'm carrying over from ME1. I'd like to do abit of seeing how Miranda is, but I don't want to get too far along and not like the outcome; then have to start all over to stay loyal. Same goes with Jack. I'm asking how do you know when the right moment to save is before the game "recognizes" a new love interest. I'm not/don't really have the time to play through 3 storylines to figure out which one I'm going to go with. I don't play these games in a "true" role playing way, where I imagine myself as the character and have to make "real life" decisions. That's what the save function is for.

You at some point will have a rather flirty conversation with Miranda about admiring her personality and body. That's the last safe conversation you can have with her until the photo of Ash get's flipped down. You know you've gone too far when Miranda talks about her wanting "this", and she will come to you when she's ready.

Thanks Carth that helps out even more. Basically I save just before talking to Miranda just in case I say something that pisses her off lol.

[Angelonedge]

Modifié par Angelonedge, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:54 .

[MediumD]

Ashley turned me down, so I went with Miranda. I figure since my parashep died, he got the "death" clause in 'til death do you part.

[Angelonedge]

MediumD wrote...

Ashley turned me down, so I went with Miranda. I figure since my parashep died, he got the "death" clause in 'til death do you part.

LMAO!!! I didn't know that I was technically married to Ash. Is that true, if so I don't see myself to commit adultery.