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[Mnemnosyne]

XxKarivexX wrote...

Yeah you can only become reinstated if you import an ME1 save where you saved the council at the end as the default ME2 Shepard seemed to be an ass in ME1. My Shepard took it back because I thought it might affect something in ME3.

Actually, even if you kill the Council, as long as Anderson was your pick, he'll reinstate you even if the original council is dead.  He points out that technically your Spectre status was never revoked.

[Cypher0020]

I took it back never know when you may need it again, plus I fully intend to resume my spectrely duties after the war ends

[Marilynn-22]

I took it back, reluctantly. like Cypher0020 said, you never know when we might need it again, like in ME3

[XxKarivexX]

Koyasha wrote...

XxKarivexX wrote...

Yeah you can only become reinstated if you import an ME1 save where you saved the council at the end as the default ME2 Shepard seemed to be an ass in ME1. My Shepard took it back because I thought it might affect something in ME3.

Actually, even if you kill the Council, as long as Anderson was your pick, he'll reinstate you even if the original council is dead.  He points out that technically your Spectre status was never revoked.

Oops, my bad sorry.  Does the council really do anything in ME2 then...? lol

Modifié par XxKarivexX, 28 février 2010 - 01:15 .

[DRACO1130]

I have played it thru on a lot of variants - I 'Like' the way the game backstory unfolds and develops FAR moire when I 'save' the council in ME1 AND when I take back the spectre status - when the council dies the citadel and the entire backstory is a much 'uglier' place, far more empowering to TiM and Cerberus and, in my not so humble opinion, totally anti Shepard, even if you played 100% rogue options.

I also would offer for consideration some elemtnes of that backstory that lend credence to the theory that having Spec stat re instated for ME3 is a positive thing - Liara is hunting the shadow broker HARD - backstory announcements form galactic news on the citadel strongly suggest that the 'consort' is in fact the shadow broker.

No matter HOW you played it - a conflict between the Gef and the Quorians is sure to be a BIG part of ME3 - having your spec status will help with that.

The Concil ship that u saved, destiny ascendant or whatever its name was, im being lazy - is, according to backstory, on a "victory' tour of Human colonies in gratitude for the council being saved - As a spec you can(and prolly will) co opt command of this for the coming reaper fight. - its already in the area -this also holds true for the ships rushed to the attacked colonies even though you are seemingly WORKING for Cerberus, if your spec status is restored, you have carte blanche over all alliance forces - I was pissed when i had it restored that I couldn't 'order' Ashley onto my own ship, the Normandy 2.

Essentially there is no good reason to NOT have your spec stat restored and a LOT of solid ones to do so.

[Fjordgnu]

After playing ME2, I thought about it, and all being a Spectre really does is grant you immunity from the law. It's not as if Spectre status alone is going to get you anything that, say, a gun, or some other form of persuasion won't.

[Mnemnosyne]

I really hope the Destiny Ascension does in fact prove to be useful at some point. The main reason I save the council on most of my ME1 playthroughs is twofold - the Ascension has a larger crew than all the ships that are destroyed saving it combined, and the Ascension is supposedly the most powerful ship in Citadel space. Indeed, I was disappointed the first time because after being saved, the Ascension seemed to take no further part in the battle. It would have been nice if it's superior firepower had been useful in destroying Sovereign without losing as many ships.

[DRACO1130]

Koyasha wrote...

You can only get reinstated as a Spectre if you chose Anderson as the council member, not Udina. Udina doesn't like you enough to stand up for you.

Personally I hope that getting reinstated does have significant weight in ME3 versus not, because otherwise it's going to be rather disappointing.

Disappointment seems to be stock in trade for most 2nd parts of 3 part tales/games - my main disappointment in ME2 came from the DRASTIC reduction of the Citadel - not beintg able to go all over it seemed insane - I especially felt the loss of the access to the C sec armory- which would have provided ample motive to follow the path of restoring your spec status - do it for the access to the advanbced weapons stores - I also had a real problem with the fact that(as told in the conversation with the citadel gardener during the Krogan fish mini quest) they left the Relay for the conduit in place! that just seems totally insane - at the very least take it down/away so as to study it since ME1 proved that mass effect travel had been 'unlocked' - But not being able to go around the citadel freely really sucked.

I have high(perhaps too high) hopes for ME3 - I am fairly confident that somewhere along the line the developers are at least in part reading these forums - hopefully.

[Conway044]

Koyasha wrote...

I really hope the Destiny Ascension does in fact prove to be useful at some point. The main reason I save the council on most of my ME1 playthroughs is twofold - the Ascension has a larger crew than all the ships that are destroyed saving it combined, and the Ascension is supposedly the most powerful ship in Citadel space. Indeed, I was disappointed the first time because after being saved, the Ascension seemed to take no further part in the battle. It would have been nice if it's superior firepower had been useful in destroying Sovereign without losing as many ships.

The DA is pretty much scrap by the time you save it.  Shields are gone, point defense systems gone, I'm not sure about it's heavy guns.  Joker shuts the channel right about there in my games.

[mopotter]

MasterMegatron wrote...

I did it, just because. You never know when you might need it.

 Me too.  I've used it  twice.  On the C sect guy who wants to arrest me after I tell him off and on the "interview" Thane and I have with the guy who contracted his kid.  I actually like it better than the good cop bad cop.  The look on the lawyer's face is great. 

[Conway044]

DRACO1130 wrote...

I have played it thru on a lot of variants - I 'Like' the way the game backstory unfolds and develops FAR moire when I 'save' the council in ME1 AND when I take back the spectre status - when the council dies the citadel and the entire backstory is a much 'uglier' place, far more empowering to TiM and Cerberus and, in my not so humble opinion, totally anti Shepard, even if you played 100% rogue options.
I also would offer for consideration some elemtnes of that backstory that lend credence to the theory that having Spec stat re instated for ME3 is a positive thing - Liara is hunting the shadow broker HARD - backstory announcements form galactic news on the citadel strongly suggest that the 'consort' is in fact the shadow broker.
No matter HOW you played it - a conflict between the Gef and the Quorians is sure to be a BIG part of ME3 - having your spec status will help with that.
The Concil ship that u saved, destiny ascendant or whatever its name was, im being lazy - is, according to backstory, on a "victory' tour of Human colonies in gratitude for the council being saved - As a spec you can(and prolly will) co opt command of this for the coming reaper fight. - its already in the area -this also holds true for the ships rushed to the attacked colonies even though you are seemingly WORKING for Cerberus, if your spec status is restored, you have carte blanche over all alliance forces - I was pissed when i had it restored that I couldn't 'order' Ashley onto my own ship, the Normandy 2.
Essentially there is no good reason to NOT have your spec stat restored and a LOT of solid ones to do so.

RE: Geth v. Quarians
I don't belive that either are Citadel races, so how exactly would your Spectre status play a large role in that conflict?

Your Spectre status does not allow you to take command of the Citadel Fleet Flagship on a whim.  I'm not sure where you got that idea.  The Citadel Fleet is going to have a chain of command seperate from the Spectres, the Council could certainly place a Spectre in command if they desired, but Spectres =/= Commander in Chief.
If it worked like that Saren would have had a much easier time of things.


Also, as a Spectre you are technically outside of the Alliance chain of command, so you certainly do not have carte blanche over Alliance forces. Hackett uses you for some Alliance dirty work because of this in ME 1.

[ColonelMerryweather]

Schneidend wrote...

The Council decided to completely ignore that I saved their lives from a giant, talking battleship, so I told them to kiss the fattest part of my ass.

This.

[DRACO1130]

Conway044 wrote...

DRACO1130 wrote...

I have played it thru on a lot of variants - I 'Like' the way the game backstory unfolds and develops FAR moire when I 'save' the council in ME1 AND when I take back the spectre status - when the council dies the citadel and the entire backstory is a much 'uglier' place, far more empowering to TiM and Cerberus and, in my not so humble opinion, totally anti Shepard, even if you played 100% rogue options.
I also would offer for consideration some elemtnes of that backstory that lend credence to the theory that having Spec stat re instated for ME3 is a positive thing - Liara is hunting the shadow broker HARD - backstory announcements form galactic news on the citadel strongly suggest that the 'consort' is in fact the shadow broker.
No matter HOW you played it - a conflict between the Gef and the Quorians is sure to be a BIG part of ME3 - having your spec status will help with that.
The Concil ship that u saved, destiny ascendant or whatever its name was, im being lazy - is, according to backstory, on a "victory' tour of Human colonies in gratitude for the council being saved - As a spec you can(and prolly will) co opt command of this for the coming reaper fight. - its already in the area -this also holds true for the ships rushed to the attacked colonies even though you are seemingly WORKING for Cerberus, if your spec status is restored, you have carte blanche over all alliance forces - I was pissed when i had it restored that I couldn't 'order' Ashley onto my own ship, the Normandy 2.
Essentially there is no good reason to NOT have your spec stat restored and a LOT of solid ones to do so.

RE: Geth v. Quarians
I don't belive that either are Citadel races, so how exactly would your Spectre status play a large role in that conflict?

Your Spectre status does not allow you to take command of the Citadel Fleet Flagship on a whim.  I'm not sure where you got that idea.  The Citadel Fleet is going to have a chain of command seperate from the Spectres, the Council could certainly place a Spectre in command if they desired, but Spectres =/= Commander in Chief.
If it worked like that Saren would have had a much easier time of things.


Also, as a Spectre you are technically outside of the Alliance chain of command, so you certainly do not have carte blanche over Alliance forces. Hackett uses you for some Alliance dirty work because of this in ME 1.

In a LOT of the variants I played - Spectre status was SPECIFICALLY mentioned by NPC's in announcing/Identifyinmg me - Specifically the Traitor Trial loyalty quest And the Thane loyalty Quest Spectre allowed me to, essentially, beat the snot out of the guy who hired thanes son while his lawyer watched and could do nothing.
the Krogans recognized my spectre staus as well and a few others
but
as to the quorians/geth - while it does NOT give me command over either, it DOES empower me to be "the voice of the council" and as such respected by BOTH sides - no, I cannot command them, but, speaking as 'the voice' of the council - they damn well respect and listen to what I have to say, or in game terms, they are more inlcined to follow the path I choose to reccommend to them - I also am convinced that a spectre CAN take command of any council resource that he has need of - to wit - C SEC Supply officer in ME1 - Ahh Spectre - Let me open the *special * stock for you - and, as far as alliance goes - Hell no Admiral you're not "inspecting" my ship.
Given the forces arrayed on BOTH sides, the Spectre role as personified by Shepard will need to have all the authority possible.

[ExtremeOne]

The Council can F off for all I care they did not give a crap about Shepard so My Shepard is working for TIM and Miranda

[Kekse2k]

Somewhat related--this idea has been bothering me for a while now (a few weeks, maybe). I was wondering, if the Council seeks proof so badly, why don't they have the asari councilor or someone else "meld" or do what Liara did with Shepard in ME1 to access his memories/thoughts? I mean, sure there's the risk of having the asari be just as confused as they believe Shepard to be once they access his thoughts, but that is just silly and is less reasonable than the denial they currently wield. Plus, if the councilor did it, would the turian and salarian really doubt her so strongly as they do Shepard? And couldn't she transfer the memories/thoughts she receives akin to Shiala's transferral of the prothean cipher?

The only reason why I ask is because I wonder if this has been asked before now, and I'd really like to have a good reason as to why it cannot be done so I can stop thinking about it.

[Beholderess]

Kekse2k wrote...

Somewhat related--this idea has been bothering me for a while now (a few weeks, maybe). I was wondering, if the Council seeks proof so badly, why don't they have the asari councilor or someone else "meld" or do what Liara did with Shepard in ME1 to access his memories/thoughts? I mean, sure there's the risk of having the asari be just as confused as they believe Shepard to be once they access his thoughts, but that is just silly and is less reasonable than the denial they currently wield. Plus, if the councilor did it, would the turian and salarian really doubt her so strongly as they do Shepard? And couldn't she transfer the memories/thoughts she receives akin to Shiala's transferral of the prothean cipher?
The only reason why I ask is because I wonder if this has been asked before now, and I'd really like to have a good reason as to why it cannot be done so I can stop thinking about it.

Good question, actually.

[Vendrin]

Beholderess wrote...

Kekse2k wrote...

Somewhat related--this idea has been bothering me for a while now (a few weeks, maybe). I was wondering, if the Council seeks proof so badly, why don't they have the asari councilor or someone else "meld" or do what Liara did with Shepard in ME1 to access his memories/thoughts? I mean, sure there's the risk of having the asari be just as confused as they believe Shepard to be once they access his thoughts, but that is just silly and is less reasonable than the denial they currently wield. Plus, if the councilor did it, would the turian and salarian really doubt her so strongly as they do Shepard? And couldn't she transfer the memories/thoughts she receives akin to Shiala's transferral of the prothean cipher?
The only reason why I ask is because I wonder if this has been asked before now, and I'd really like to have a good reason as to why it cannot be done so I can stop thinking about it.

Good question, actually.

All that proves is that Shepard believes it, nothing more.

[Azorgamer]

I chose to accept being reinstated as a Spectre. I just like the title to much to give it up. Plus, just like Shepard says, it's better to be on the Council's good side in case you need them. Sure, they totally stabbed you in the back at the moment, but at least they're willing to officially name you as a Spectre - and even though Anderson says its more "symbolic" it's still a title that is feared and respected throughout the galaxy.

My Shepard might be Paragon, but he does so enjoy being feared and respected.

[shinobi602]

I chose to become a spectre again. Could come in handy in ME3.

[Dark_Caduceus]

I took it because it might come into play later, still going to let the Council die in ME3 if I get the chance though.

[Hyper Cutter]

XxKarivexX wrote...

Oops, my bad sorry.  Does the council really do anything in ME2 then...? lol

Aside from the turian councillor's legendary douchebaggery? No.

[GodWood]

I got my spectre status back (I'll need a job to fall back on if I actually survive the Reaper invasion ey?)

But I'm no longer loyal to the council.

Koyasha wrote...
You can only get reinstated as a Spectre if you chose Anderson as the council member, not Udina. Udina doesn't like you enough to stand up for you.

Completely untrue, regardless of whether you chose Udina or not Anderson will support you and you can get your Spectre status back.

Modifié par GodWood, 03 mars 2010 - 09:32 .

[DarthCaine]

No need to burn bridges



And no the story doesn't change much (just like every choice), only a few dialogue options change

[newcomplex]

Only reason you wouldn't take it is out of irrational anger or something (from an RP perspective, hope you don' t actually get angry lol).



Otherwise, it can only be an advantage.