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[KnightofPhoenix]

I actually liked the idea. Sure, imagining a giant metal human flying through space is a bit stupid. But perhaps the Reapers can assume different forms. I too was expecting something like "Join us and we will make you perfect". But since this is unexpected, I like it. Now they have to tweak it a bit in ME3 and make sense of it.

The line "We are your salvation through destruction" implies something. Perhaps the Reapers want to immortalise every species by transforming them into one of their own. At least those fit enough.

[grumpymooselion]

MA5Bergey wrote...

I just thought it was stupid that they tell us that they make Reapers in the form of various particular races, but then they show the Reaper army coming at the end and every Reaper looks just the same as Sovereign

Not sure they told us that, really, but I prefer the Sovereign look anyways.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I actually liked the idea. Sure,
imagining a giant metal human flying through space is a bit stupid. But
perhaps the Reapers can assume different forms. I too was expecting
something like "Join us and we will make you perfect". But since this
is unexpected, I like it. Now they have to tweak it a bit in ME3 and
make sense of it.
The line "We are your salvation through
destruction" implies something. Perhaps the Reapers want to immortalise
every species by transforming them into one of their own. At least
those fit enough.

I'd have still prefered it be expirementation on turning humans into, essentially, their Prothean replacements (their collector replacements) or a new arm of the Reapers that wasn't covered by the Collectors already. I'd have imagined it being something connected to the Husks. I mean we saw these new husk forms . . . I was thinking it was going to be something horrible that they'd made out of people. I . . . just didn't . . . buy the pumping liquified human into a metallic construct of a giant human deal.

We saw some interesting new Husk enemies. I'd have liked to see something that was an evolution of the levitating Husks, but had those icky versions of Biotics the new ground based Husk used (it was using something like Shockwave, but darker and splattered you with glowing goo). A humanoid, levitating monstrosity/super-soldier with dark biotics. The Reaper's plans for Humanity, much like how they messed with the Protheans to be their slaves.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:11 .

[MediumD]

I liked the end boss, although I hope that it was a Reaper ship pilot and not a Reaper per se. I'd hate to see it flying around the galaxy like Galactus.

[GnusmasTHX]

As a soldier, I lol'd when the Concussive Shot trailed for its eye, even when the little ****er was sliding around trying to dodge.



Anyway; IT WAS BETTER THAN ME1'S LAST BOSS. Nuff' said.

[SunfighterG8]

defenestrated wrote...

I had no problem with the notion that people were being harvested to make a Reaper - that was cool. I just wish they'd have gone less human, more Reaper with the art design like they say they considered in the CE art book.

I didn't want to be cracking up when I saw the final boss. And I really, really was.

Yea the reaper ship on page 15 is the one they should of went with, the classic reaper design but with a humanish skull and ribcage sorta on its underbelly, that would of been sweet...espeically if all the reapers had bellies like that of the races they consumed...that would at least been more badass.

[cnumartyr]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

It looked dumb at first, but the fight that ensued was actually well done I thought.

I only played on normal...but i super weaponed it to death...killed in like 3 cycles... maybe less..i was too scared and too like...what the hell seriously? im fighting a stupid terminator. I figured some more enemies would spawn too...like harbingers and what have you during each cycle...that would of made things intresting...

Try doing it on a harder difficulty, it's a lot more difficult.  You're supposed to be able to fly through the game on Normal.

[epoch_]

SunfighterG8 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

It looked dumb at first, but the fight that ensued was actually well done I thought.

I only played on normal...but i super weaponed it to death...killed in like 3 cycles... maybe less..i was too scared and too like...what the hell seriously? im fighting a stupid terminator. I figured some more enemies would spawn too...like harbingers and what have you during each cycle...that would of made things intresting...

I had at least 3 waves of 3 or 4 collectors spawn on me when I tried to kill it...

Modifié par epoch_, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:09 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Janan Pacha wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...

I just thought it was stupid that they tell us that they make Reapers in the form of various particular races, but then they show the Reaper army coming at the end and every Reaper looks just the same as Sovereign

Not sure they told us that, really, but I prefer the Sovereign look anyways.

Image it takes 5 to 10 million humans to make one Reaper.  Earth alone has BILLIONS of people.  7 billion people would make 700 ships(say 10 million per Reaper).  This is the future too with overpopulation and an increased population boom.  Another race could have 20 billion individuals and that goes into the thousands.

[Firespray38]

The human reaper fight was one of the most ridiculously awesome boss fights I've ever played, I'm more curious as to how the hell the thing would have looked flying around in space.

[Kyero]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I actually liked the idea. Sure, imagining a giant metal human flying through space is a bit stupid. But perhaps the Reapers can assume different forms. I too was expecting something like "Join us and we will make you perfect". But since this is unexpected, I like it. Now they have to tweak it a bit in ME3 and make sense of it.
The line "We are your salvation through destruction" implies something. Perhaps the Reapers want to immortalise every species by transforming them into one of their own. At least those fit enough.

haha I would like that option to become a reaper and make everyone **** storm their pants from your betrayal.

[N30795]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I heard a theory that Reapers have two different appearences, an interior and exterior. The "Human" reaper would've been the interior and the exterior would look similar to Sovereign.

I think of something like that too. I can figure that Terminator-thing flying through space like a gundam.

Would have loved to see how Sovereign "looked", what species he was made after. Would be hard now that he is reduced to tiny little pieces, though. 

[SunfighterG8]

http://img.photobuck...reaperhuman.jpg there is the pic im talking about...now that would of been badass to see.

[Schneidend]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Story-wise I loved this game, I liked the characters. I felt like it was building up to something big and interesting. The Human Reaper though . . . was anyone just . . . staring at it, wondering, "What?"

Kidnapping humans to liquify them, only to have it pumped into a Reaper . . . in a human shape? Really? This is their big plan? I was expecting some sort of deal where humans were genetically important, somehow, hinted at by your talk with Mordin. I was expecting some sort of Husk deal, where they were perfecting some new sort of Husk.

But a Giant Reaper?

I could have bought a "Giant Husk" more than a Giant Reaper.

So much build up, I was so into the suicide mission . . . and then we open things up and see that thing. I was seriously having to peal my face off of my keyboard  after that.

Well, a "husk" is an organic body drained of nutrients and infused with cybernetics to animate it. The reapers are, apparently, a perfect fusion of synthetic and organic. So, really, there's not much of a difference between making a giant husk and making a human reaper. As EDI guessed, the reapers probably have little control over what shape a new reaper takes. After all, they're just mixing together nanotech and organic DNA in some kind of bizarre fusion process. It's not like they build something that looks like a race and then pour a bunch of DNA into it.

Modifié par Schneidend, 31 janvier 2010 - 04:12 .

[GnusmasTHX]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...

I just thought it was stupid that they tell us that they make Reapers in the form of various particular races, but then they show the Reaper army coming at the end and every Reaper looks just the same as Sovereign

Not sure they told us that, really, but I prefer the Sovereign look anyways.

Image it takes 5 to 10 million humans to make one Reaper.  Earth alone has BILLIONS of people.  7 billion people would make 700 ships(say 10 million per Reaper).  This is the future too with overpopulation and an increased population boom.  Another race could have 20 billion individuals and that goes into the thousands.

I figured they only used "acceptable" races to form other Reapers. Implying that no one has put up a challenge since the "squid-like" race. Other than that, maybe all space-ship Reapers are uniform in design, and that the Human-Reaper was meant to be something else; like a ground unit.

[Austichar]

I was hoping for the Human-Reaper-thing to have ann Arnold Swartzeneggar voice SO bad!  Oh well, maybe I   should make a vid fighting the boss with Terminator music playing in the background. lol

[Naksux]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...

I just thought it was stupid that they tell us that they make Reapers in the form of various particular races, but then they show the Reaper army coming at the end and every Reaper looks just the same as Sovereign

Not sure they told us that, really, but I prefer the Sovereign look anyways.

Image it takes 5 to 10 million humans to make one Reaper.  Earth alone has BILLIONS of people.  7 billion people would make 700 ships(say 10 million per Reaper).  This is the future too with overpopulation and an increased population boom.  Another race could have 20 billion individuals and that goes into the thousands.

And krogans have more flesh than humans, at least 2x. And without genophage krogans woulb be ruling galaxy with overhelming population

[The Demonologist]

I believe a reviewer summed up my feelings on this rather well.



"for approximately 27 hours and 40 minutes the game builds beautifully towards something epic but the climax, the glorious denouement, is so inexplicably and almost comically absurd, I couldn't help but feel a little betrayed. Part of the strength of the entire Mass Effect franchise is that there's a credibility to its fiction."



Merely a thought to take into consideration in the future Bioware. I love you guys to death, but it is a valid point.

[AlphaJarmel]

Schneidend wrote...

Janan Pacha wrote...

Story-wise I loved this game, I liked the characters. I felt like it was building up to something big and interesting. The Human Reaper though . . . was anyone just . . . staring at it, wondering, "What?"

Kidnapping humans to liquify them, only to have it pumped into a Reaper . . . in a human shape? Really? This is their big plan? I was expecting some sort of deal where humans were genetically important, somehow, hinted at by your talk with Mordin. I was expecting some sort of Husk deal, where they were perfecting some new sort of Husk.

But a Giant Reaper?

I could have bought a "Giant Husk" more than a Giant Reaper.

So much build up, I was so into the suicide mission . . . and then we open things up and see that thing. I was seriously having to peal my face off of my keyboard  after that.

Well, a "husk" is an organic body drained of nutrients and infused with cybernetics to animate it. The reapers are, apparently, a perfect fusion of synthetic and organic. So, really, there's not much of a difference between making a giant husk and making a human reaper. As EDI guessed, the reapers probably have little control over what shape a new reaper takes. After all, they're just mixing together nanotech and organic DNA in some kind of bizarre fusion process. It's not like they build something that looks like a race and then pour a bunch of DNA into it.

In fact one could even say that the Geth were draining people in the first game in order to make another Reaper.  The Dragon's Teeth could be the process of gaining DNA for the Reaper ships. 

[woah_geez]

I think it makes a lot of sense tbh, I would have preferred it being more difficult but the whole idea of collecting humans to make a reaper makes sense. I mean, all the reapers are trapped in dark space and sovereign is dead so why wait for everyone to get back? Just make a new reaper past the omega 4 relay and activate the citadel.

[rolsenrob]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I heard a theory that Reapers have two different appearences, an interior and exterior. The "Human" reaper would've been the interior and the exterior would look similar to Sovereign.

I disagree with that as if you look at Sovereign, he looks like one of our squids.  So who can say that there was some sort of advanced squid civilization and the Reapers made that species into a Reaper.  That human Reaper was probably only the first one to be built and the Reapers would have eventually used our entire species into making more Reapers.  Not to mention a human reaper would have a great advantage over other ships due to the hands aspect.  He could literally grab another ship and throw it.

I do like how the Collector General with his dying breath sends Reaper data off to you.

I agree that they have two apperances, in that scene with the Collector General you see a Reaper folding up, seems pretty obvious to me.

[Schneidend]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

In fact one could even say that the Geth were draining people in the first game in order to make another Reaper.  The Dragon's Teeth could be the process of gaining DNA for the Reaper ships. 

Oh, SNAP. You're right, Alpha. I'm not sure why I didn't think of this.

[Lothial]

Janan Pacha wrote...

Story-wise I loved this game, I liked the characters. I felt like it was building up to something big and interesting. The Human Reaper though . . . was anyone just . . . staring at it, wondering, "What?"

Kidnapping humans to liquify them, only to have it pumped into a Reaper . . . in a human shape? Really? This is their big plan? I was expecting some sort of deal where humans were genetically important, somehow, hinted at by your talk with Mordin. I was expecting some sort of Husk deal, where they were perfecting some new sort of Husk.

But a Giant Reaper?

I could have bought a "Giant Husk" more than a Giant Reaper.

So much build up, I was so into the suicide mission . . . and then we open things up and see that thing. I was seriously having to peal my face off of my keyboard  after that.

I don't know. I thought it was fascinating. If you look at it from the Reapers perspective. They have been harvesting all life periodically for a very long time. Why?

Like any sentient being. They desire to reproduce. As organic/synthetic constructs they need organic material to construct new Reapers. This time however one of their own was bested by an organic creature.  Would it not be logical to assume that if a human can out manuver, and defeat a being that has lived for hundreds of thousands of years. Through almost sheer force of will, and good old human adaptability. A reaper would look at that, and think if they can add those traits to their own it would be unstoppable.

It is essentially weaponizing humanity. The passion, the drive, the inginuity, the rapid evolutionary devlopment which in the Mass Effect universe has cause humanity to go from smart apes to galatic super power in the blink of an eye galatically speaking.

It could of course be something else entirely. The Illusive Man I think probably has something to do with it. I thought it was an interesting concept though. and a killer boss battle to boot.

[Dave of Canada]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I heard a theory that Reapers have two different appearences, an interior and exterior. The "Human" reaper would've been the interior and the exterior would look similar to Sovereign.

I disagree with that as if you look at Sovereign, he looks like one of our squids.  So who can say that there was some sort of advanced squid civilization and the Reapers made that species into a Reaper.  That human Reaper was probably only the first one to be built and the Reapers would have eventually used our entire species into making more Reapers.  Not to mention a human reaper would have a great advantage over other ships due to the hands aspect.  He could literally grab another ship and throw it.

I didn't say that Sovereign was a giant squid, I said that probably whatever race was melted down to make him was somewhere inside the large squid interior. It explains how all reapers look alike, the human reaper would've eventually been built into a squid form after it was completely built.

LIke if you watched a movie and they eventually reached the core of a mother ship and turns out the core is a giant robot or something, similar premise. The only reason they actually require the genetic material is to form a perfect blend of living and cybernetics. Legion explained it well, "one ship, one will, many minds" giving hints that the Human Reaper had all the minds / knowledge and such of the humans it had consumed.

[Schneidend]

Lothial wrote...
I don't know. I thought it was fascinating. If you look at it from the Reapers perspective. They have been harvesting all life periodically for a very long time. Why?

Like any sentient being. They desire to reproduce. As organic/synthetic constructs they need organic material to construct new Reapers. This time however one of their own was bested by an organic creature.  Would it not be logical to assume that if a human can out manuver, and defeat a being that has lived for hundreds of thousands of years. Through almost sheer force of will, and good old human adaptability. A reaper would look at that, and think if they can add those traits to their own it would be unstoppable.

It is essentially weaponizing humanity. The passion, the drive, the inginuity, the rapid evolutionary devlopment which in the Mass Effect universe has cause humanity to go from smart apes to galatic super power in the blink of an eye galatically speaking.

It could of course be something else entirely. The Illusive Man I think probably has something to do with it. I thought it was an interesting concept though. and a killer boss battle to boot.

I think you're onto something. The disquieting part of this is, though, that somebody else wanted humanity's best qualities to be used as weapon: the Illusive Man. He demanded Shepard's personality, memories, and values be intact after the revival. Illusive Man also wants the reaper building machine in Cerberus' hands. It's possible he might desire to truly weaponize Shepard, turning the good Commander into a Colossus of synthetic humanoid might.