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[-Zorph-]

I  have come to the point in the game where you choose to rewrite or destroy the  "heretics"

What choice did you guys choose?

I have a feeling it will be similar to the  Rachni deal, where if you save them they could help you later on.  But they could also be a potential enemy later on.

Thoughts to help me decide would be highly appreciated, thanks guys!

[AlphaJarmel]

I went with Rewrite as having a Geth armada would be godly. It seems the Geth are pretty much the size of all the Citadel forces put together. I mean the attack on the Citadel was 5 percent of their forces(I'll give 10% to be generous).

[-Zorph-]

Also, I have an additional question: I am a bit confused on the difference between Legion and 'heretics' Geth.



Does this mean there are more Ally ones like Legion? I am just a bit confused on the whole situation.



I'll go with rewrite though, now my 2nd question would be awesome to be answered

[ThatDancingTurian]

I eventually went with rewrite just because Legion said it had like two more votes. My Shep was Paragon, so ethically the thought of manually changing someone's opinion seems wrong, but at the same time teaching the Geth that if you disagree you should just kill your enemies isn't a lesson that will help organics later on.



I had the same problem on Mordin's mission, my Shep was all pro-cure until he eventually won me over by talking about how he was trying to make it stable, got me thinking all Spock about how it was necessary to sacrifice some of one species to potentially save all the others... And of course by the time I'd reached that conclusion, I had to pick the pro-cure stance just to get my Paragon points.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Rewrite. Even with the entire flotilla, the Quarians can't beat the Geth. That shows how powerful they are. They would be invaluable against the Reapers.

[Dave of Canada]

There's two types of Geth, some who's opinions believe that the Reapers are gods and should be worshiped and others who believe they are wrong. The "heretics" were the ones that sided with Saren and attacked the Citadel, the other geth are the ones who inhabit the Quarian home world.



If you release the virus on the heretics, they are brainwashed into thinking that the Reapers are wrong and effectively return to the Quarian home world's geth faction. This cuts both ways, you might be damning the Quarians should they try and reclaim their world and you might be reinforcing future enemies - but it could also mean you are building up a future army of Geth to use against the reapers.

[Schneidend]

Destroy. No guarantee their math won't come to the "reapers are cool" conclusion a second time.

[AlphaJarmel]

-Zorph- wrote...

Also, I have an additional question: I am a bit confused on the difference between Legion and 'heretics' Geth.

Does this mean there are more Ally ones like Legion? I am just a bit confused on the whole situation.

I'll go with rewrite though, now my 2nd question would be awesome to be answered

Legion is unique but the Geth in general view things like him.  The Geth we were fighting in ME1 were essentially radicals or religious "heretics" if you will.  The Geth it seems are a normally peaceful race and some wanted to join Sovereign while a very high majority just wanted to leave organics alone.

Edit:@ Dave

However Legion mentions that they are only the "care-takers" which implies that they do want peace with the Quarians and want them to "come home".

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 31 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .

[Endo322]

I blew it up... Because that's a loooooot of Geth, and I'm guessing there are just as many "good" geth. Why not just thin out their number? I mean ****... they're just robots.

[Incognito JC]

If you want more opinions on this, I made the same thread here:



http://social.biowar...05/index/832191

[ArcanistLibram]

Rewrite. It'll be inconvenient if I absolutely have to choose between the quarians and the geth in ME3, but I'm hoping Bioware will have a solution that lets me have two armies. Probably something that involves shooting Admiral Xen in the face.

[Lothial]

Boom went the geth. Legion didn't seem to take it very hard.

[Ifandbut01]

When Sovereign approached the Geth to kill organics some of the Geth thought that Sovereign was a god and did what they were told, others like Legion wanted to keep making their own future and thought that taking a future from Sovereign was wrong.



This was the first time in the history of the Geth when they could not reach consensus and so there was a physical split. From a objective view neither faction of the Geth were right or wrong and Legion says as much. All of the "true" Geth are still away from organic space, Legion was sent in as sort of a recon drone.

[Lycans4ever]

Huh, if i rewrite the geth i might get a powerful army at my side but also may destroy the quarians. Destroying the geth just don't stick with me. Anyway i believe that if things get f***** up and the geth attack the quarians, in ME3, that i will have the choise to try and stop them even though it seems impossible..... but Shepard doesn't know the meaning of impossible!

[MaaZeus]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

-Zorph- wrote...

Also, I have an additional question: I am a bit confused on the difference between Legion and 'heretics' Geth.

Does this mean there are more Ally ones like Legion? I am just a bit confused on the whole situation.

I'll go with rewrite though, now my 2nd question would be awesome to be answered

Legion is unique but the Geth in general view things like him.  The Geth we were fighting in ME1 were essentially radicals or religious "heretics" if you will.  The Geth it seems are a normally peaceful race and some wanted to join Sovereign while a very high majority just wanted to leave organics alone.

Edit:@ Dave

However Legion mentions that they are only the "care-takers" which implies that they do want peace with the Quarians and want them to "come home".

Actually if you take Legion to Tali's loyalty mission you'll get an impression that while they are honestly open for peace, Geth are heavily prejudiced and do not want to make a start in peace talks and if Quarians make start, they want to make sure that they are honest about it. I got impression that Quarians backstabbed them before at the times of morning war, probaply with dishonest peace-talks with schemes in background. If we get a chance to make a peace between Geth and Quarians, it will be harder than you imagine I fear. Quarians generally hate and fear Geth, and Geth in the other hand do not trust them a one bit unless they get a logical reason to do so...

Modifié par MaaZeus, 03 mai 2010 - 05:47 .

[pf17456]

I viewed the Heritics as brainwashed victims of the Reapers so I didn't consider it unethical to re-write them. It was a method of helping them to overcome Reaper influence. It would only be unethical if you agree with Reaper motives "We are your salvation etc.".

As far as the Quarians are concerned I think the Geth just want to be left alone. It's two thirds of the Quarian leadership opting for confrontation of some sort. Maybe Shephard and Legion can convince Tali to return to the Quarian fleet and help the Quarians move past their preoccupation with either controlling or destroying their own creation. The theme seems similar to Battlestar Glactica and the moral question relates to how we view our own creations. If we make something that exceeds our own abilities do we embrace it or become threatened by it ?

[jwalker]

Rewrite.



I seriously doubt that bioware will punish you over a paragon choice in the next game.



I mean, if you rewrite i think it's unlikely that in ME3 you'll find that the migrant fleet was attacked by a massive geth force, doing some genocide, reaper style...

[Itkovian]

I was surprised rewriting was even a Paragon choice. Quite frankly I don't think either of those choices map in the paragon/renegade axis... both have their good and bad sides. A shame that they felt the final decision had to have a large alignment impact.

Indeed, previously when you discuss the issue, the rewrite option is in fact the Renegade option... it's only when it's time for the final decision that it becomes Paragon.

Personally, I found the Heretic's goal of "Brainwashing" the rest of the Geth as abhorrent, and would not resort to such methods. Sure, it means I kill them instead, but that's a legitimate act of war, but I will not stoop to their level to achieve my goals... its bad enough that indoctrination is already a tool of the Reapers, and the virus itself is created by Sovereign, I will not touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Thank you.

Itkovian

[Tilarta]

Rewrite.



I'm just hoping it doesn't bite me in the ascot in ME3.



I'm uncertain if adding Heretic memories to the majority Geth will change their outlook.

I'm hoping it doesn't, because I want the Geth on my side when the Reapers come.

[scorptatious]

I rewrote them. At first after hearing Samara stating that rewriting them would probably be as bad as destroying them altogether I was hesitant, but of course after hearing straight from the horse's mouth that Geth don't have the same feelings as organics do, (and the majority voted rewrite over destruction) I chose to rewrite them.

Hopefully that means the Reapers will get a taste of thier own medicine.

Also, in response to another post saying that it could damn the quarins from ever returning to thier homeworld: it probably won't be a big problem if you wanted the quarians to stay out of war and colonize a new planet.

Modifié par scorptatious, 03 mai 2010 - 11:45 .

[Markinator_123]

Shandepared wrote...

I blew them up. Though the geth would certainly be useful allies against the Reapers they cannot guarantee that the heretics won't come to the same conclusions again. In addition to that I do not trust the geth enough to empower them so. They are not an ally of humanity in any official capacity and I did not go to that station to make the geth stronger. We simply don't know enough about the geth to help them in such a way beyond blowing up the station.

If we blow it up the status-quo is maintained and the heretics are no longer a threat. If we re-write them though we get rid of the heretic threat (at least for now) but we also make the geth stronger. They may be on our side against the Reapers but they aren't our friends.

This. I am surprised by the number of people willing to rewrite them. Blowing them up just seems like a better choice tactically. Rewriting them just makes you too optimistic for your good.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
If we blow it up the status-quo is maintained and the heretics are no longer a threat. If we re-write them though we get rid of the heretic threat (at least for now) but we also make the geth stronger. They may be on our side against the Reapers but they aren't our friends.

With that reasoning, I would have thought you'd rewrite the Heretics in a bid to strengthen your forces in the all-or-nothing assault against the Reapers and dealing with the consequences after you've survived that imminent threat.

[jwalker]

Shandepared wrote...

I blew them up. Though the geth would certainly be useful allies against the Reapers they cannot guarantee that the heretics won't come to the same conclusions again. In addition to that I do not trust the geth enough to empower them so. They are not an ally of humanity in any official capacity and I did not go to that station to make the geth stronger. We simply don't know enough about the geth to help them in such a way beyond blowing up the station.

If we blow it up the status-quo is maintained and the heretics are no longer a threat. If we re-write them though we get rid of the heretic threat (at least for now) but we also make the geth stronger. They may be on our side against the Reapers but they aren't our friends.

These are valid points.
Actually, i haven't reached "consensus" myself. I only rewrite because of what i said earlier: it's the paragon choice and i trust bioware won't do something nasty about it. I know, not a very good reason, but a practical one...

[Gavinthelocust]

Rewrite
Destroying it would not only be a waste of resources but a waste of allies, we need to fight the reapers and we need all the help we can get. Once reprogrammed they will be normal Geth and grateful of Shepard and hopefully aid in the upcoming war.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 04 mai 2010 - 01:30 .