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Quarians and Tali - a break in the logic


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Stonetwister

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Okay, so supposedly Quarians have been on their incredibly sterile ships so long that their immune systems have completely crapped out.  That's a cool story, I guess.
But now, consider this.  If their ships are so sterile that their immune systems went to hell, then WHY in the name of god do they have to STILL wear their suits in their incredibly sterile ships?  If it was so sterile they didn't need immune systems and they had adapted to that, they certainly wouldn't need suits there.  I really expected to see a bunch of Quarians out of their suits on their flotilla and only Shepard would have to leave his suit on because he is crawling in germs.  Now THAT would have at least made sense.
Also, the love story with Tali was a bit low on logic as well.  A logical love scene would have gone something like this:  Tali has prepared a sterile bubble and is waiting for Shep to come give her some lovin, but before he does, he has to take a stroll out to decontamination area of the ship to buzz off all those nasty germs.  I mean, it can strip off virulent diseases, parasitic germs and insects and anything nasty you get while on a foreign planet, so I'm pretty sure it could get rid of a little regular bit of germs on Shep.  Then , bow chika bow wow, Tali rocks his world and then quickly puts her suit back on and takes some antihistamines before returning for some snuggle time.  Posted Image

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KateKane

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True. This made no friggin' sense. Probably just an excuse on the dev's part to keep Tali in her suit.

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Quarians wear their suits because the risk of a hull breach is still a constant danger, and because its become part of their cultural and personal identity. They live in close quarters all the time. Their suits are the only real privacy they can find.

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Aceattack

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They actually explained this in game. Its due to the fact that a hull breach could happen at any time.

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they wear their suits for a couple of reasons. The main one is that since the ships are being held together with duct tape there is always the threat of a sudden hull breach, another reason as explained in the book Ascension is that it gives them a sense of privacy and security while they are wearing their suits.

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Kit-Kat-Kun

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Question, why would a hull breach matter? I understand that the ships probably arent *totally* sterile, and the culture/privicy issues.



But space is a vacuum, no bacteria, viruses etc in it. Am I missing something?

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Stonetwister

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I'm pretty sure if you were standing in a hallway and a hole is blasted in the hull next to you, germs are the least of your concerns as you fly out into space. Also, there are no space germs. They would have to come onboard from a filthy Shep who goes to check out Tali's quarters on the Flotalla and then convinces her that he should slip out of his suit and give her some lovin while there. Then, after the lovin, he is feeling all sleepy and lazy and doesn't wash the sheets.

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As well, consider how much trade the Migrant Fleet has to be a part of. Not to mention all those Pilgrimage-goers. Contamination from those people is very likely, and they don't want to die from a handshake. I think it's also grown on them. I mean, if your race is wearing an environmental suit for 300 years or so, I wouldn't blame them for it becoming an icon.

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And the ships aren't really that clean anymore. There are special "clean ships" within the flotilla for things like child care and um... "intimacy" but your average quarian ship is not completely sterile.

And to the issue of bacteria. It isn't that the germs give them diseases, it is that foreign matter gives them allergic reactions. This could be bacteria but it could also be any number of other things.

Modifié par stylepoints, 31 janvier 2010 - 05:06 .


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Keep in mind that everyone loves Tali. You can ask something as insignificant as why Talis clothes changed and Bioware will have a reason for it. (because she aged to maturity btw) there is always an explanation for Garrus and Tali, we love our aliens.

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As Stonetwister said, germs are the least of your problems if the wall separating you and the cold emptiness of space suddenly broke open.

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Kit-Kat-Kun

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DaPinkMenace wrote...

Keep in mind that everyone loves Tali. You can ask something as insignificant as why Talis clothes changed and Bioware will have a reason for it. (because she aged to maturity btw) there is always an explanation for Garrus and Tali, we love our aliens.


*Hug*

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Stonetwister wrote...

Okay, so supposedly Quarians have been on their incredibly sterile ships so long that their immune systems have completely crapped out.  That's a cool story, I guess.
But now, consider this.  If their ships are so sterile that their immune systems went to hell, then WHY in the name of god do they have to STILL wear their suits in their incredibly sterile ships?  If it was so sterile they didn't need immune systems and they had adapted to that, they certainly wouldn't need suits there.  I really expected to see a bunch of Quarians out of their suits on their flotilla and only Shepard would have to leave his suit on because he is crawling in germs.  Now THAT would have at least made sense.


I honestly thought they had their Suits on because Shepard/non-Quarians were there. I figured there were sections of the ship, at first, that they didn't need their suits on.

Then, later, I was talking to them, and they spoke about how they kept their small babies and kids in bubbles. At that point I started to get that even the sterile ship environment . . . might have not been sterile enough.

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A hull breach does not need to be massive to kill you; exposure to the vacuum alone can kill an individual. Also consider that the Quarians are constantly acquiring new technology from wherever they can get it, likely inviting the occasional bacteria/virus to emerge. The suits control the outbreak quickly by both sealing the infected individaul away from others and proactively protecting them from infection.



Also, post coitus commentary from Tali was truly a win; "... and it was totally worth it." Way to go Shepard, way to go.

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Stonetwister

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Heldenbrand wrote...

Also, post coitus commentary from Tali was truly a win; "... and it was totally worth it." Way to go Shepard, way to go.


Yeah, it may be a year before you get any more lovin from Tali, Shep.  Better make it good.

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Stonetwister wrote...

Yeah, it may be a year before you get any more lovin from Tali, Shep.  Better make it good.


That's where Miranda comes in.

What Tali doesn't know won't kill Tali ... :whistle:

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Well it could be as simple as because they knew she was coming back with a foreign ship that they didn't want to take any chances.



But I remember in ME1 she saying they didn't need to wear their suits while on the flotilla.