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[SetSailForFail]

I'm just finished my first play through and I've got to say... ME2 is officially my all time favorite game.  The story is right up there (probally better, longer, and deeper) with ME1.  The combat is much more enjoyable, especially in real time.  However...  I'm really kind of dissapointed with the final mission.

I talked to every squad member after every little mission.  Unlocked every dialgoue.
Had loyalty from everybody.
I helped every single person that I could.
Completed every side mission.
Explored every planet.
Unlocked every weapon upgrade / ship upgrade / prototype.

Then hopped in the Omega 4 relay.

I still lost squad members.  Apparently I didn't choose the "ideal" team members for each part.

I picked Tali (tech specialist) for the vents.  Then was deciding on a leader for the 1st fireteam.

I factored in who has the most combat experience?
Who has had experience leading men?
Who has done impossible missions and come out alive?

Uh... Zaeed? Zaeed? and Zaeed?  I chose Zaeed.  Apparently, that's the wrong answer, and the correct answer is Garrus (I assume this is b/c Zaeed is a dlc character?).  When Tali got wacked, I flipped ****.  I've got no way to restart as I saved part way through the level, choosing restart level doesn't let you repick your teams.  Great... just great.  Now I have to replay the entire game... the entire same way WITH NO DIFFERENCE just to change one thing in the final 2 minutes of the game so I can transfer it in to ME 3.  Good god... who though of this?  I don't mind playing the game for different perspectives... but urgh.  URRRRRGHHHHH.  I think I'm going to cry now...  I'm really not feeling scanning planets for resources.

Everything in this game absolutely rocks... except scanning for resources.  It's so... so boring.  So boring.  Hold LT + L Thumbstick to the right + R Thumbstick to the right.  Spin the globe for 10 revolutions going down 2-3 grids each time.  It's mind numbing.  Even with upgraded scanner.

I don't mind the suicide mission, but at least make the "restart mission" feature actually... you know... restart the mission in a future game.  And please don't let the resource thing make a come back.  It's just not fun.  At all.

[EJon]

Deal with it. Its a game.

[Branclem]

Garrus, Miranda, and Jacob all work for leading the fireteam I think. Zaeed seems like a reasonable choice also, but recall that the group he was leading betrayed him and shot him in the head.



As for restoring a save - well, that definitely sucks that restart mission doesn't let you choose the team again. However, you get 30 save slots for each career, so you should make use of them. That way, you can reload an earlier save if you mess up.

[KBGeller]

Um, thats why I run with about 4 saves + autosave + restart + quicksave. And then overwrite the oldest save each time I save. That way I can go back by various amounts if I ever need and also have effective backups if anything gets corrupted with only a little time missing.



Maybe time to learn a lesson in doing somethign similar? :-P

[DrowNoble]

I didn't lose anyone with my paragon soldier. When Miranda was briefing on who to take it was who had "experience" and "leadership" to lead a team. Pretty much Zaeed was a loner merc, so that ruled him out. I used Garrus the 1st time and Miranda the second.



As for who went through the tubes I sent Legion in. After all, he is the best hacker there is.



I think if someone wasn't loyal, they'd die. Not 100% sure about that, just guessing. The other part was more of were you paying attention during the briefing? Miranda said pick someone with leadership skills and experience. Pretty much only Miranda, Jacob and Garrus fall into that catagory.

[Endo322]

It is possible to restart the mission at any point, even after you beat it completely. Just don't leave the Normandy and you will still have the option to restart.

What you do is go to "Load Game" and it should be the #1 option.

Modifié par Endo322, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:22 .

[Stonetwister]

I didn't assign Tali to anything. I kept her with me at all times. In the first game you had to pick who was going to die and I wasn't taking any chances that I might be doing the same in ME2. I picked characters I didn't care much for in the end mission. I lost Grunt (meh), Thane (meh) and got Dr. Chakwas and Kelly smoked on the way back to the ship (damn).

[newcomplex]

You didn't save a ahead of time?



????

[rumination888]

Listen to what Jack says when Miranda suggests herself as team leader. You want someone whos experienced, but also commands respect. Zaeed definately commands zero respect from your teammates. From what little is shown of his personality, its obvious he commands through fear.

[waffles pwn]

I used legion to go through the pipes and picked garrus to lead both times considering that he was a leader at one point and for the second team leader they have to keep the collectors attention ( guerrilla warfare-ish???) that is exactly what the description of garrus said when you got to the pick the candidate. and like brancelem said, zaeed got completely wrecked in his attempt to lead.

[Schneidend]

Zaeed is not a good Fireteam leader. His own men betrayed him for the promises of a few extra credits.

[Intelwolves]

Set, if you played mass effect 1 you would be use to it by now. Is itboring, Yes, but no scanning no upgrades. Would it be nice to have an option that edi dose it oh yeah, but its most likely not going to happen.

[SetSailForFail]

Zaeed isn't just a loner merc if you know him... he started the blue suns.  He knows how to lead.  He was just betrayed by a teammate.  He lead the troops, the other guy lead the logistics.  The logistics guy hired guys, and shot him in the head.

As for loner and being betrayed.  Uh... how is garrus ANY better?

He lost his entire team to a betrayal.  And lone sniper?  Cmon.

[Schneidend]

SetSailForFail wrote...
As for loner and being betrayed.  Uh... how is garrus ANY better?

He lost his entire team to a betrayal.  And lone sniper?  Cmon.

One guy on the team betrayed Garrus. The entire Blue Suns turned against Zaeed. Garrus is a tactical expert, and Zaeed just has tactical knowledge. The difference is night and day.

[Boopie-Ne]

I just keep one save and take the consequences of my actions. It makes the game more fun to play, at least for me. Finding resources is much easier after the 2nd time around. In addition to the extra money, you get 50k for each resource, so it can be possible to just quick-scan each planet 2-3 times and still pay off your research costs.



I found that hunting resources in ME2 is better and faster than hunting them in ME1's crappy Mako, with bland landscapes, so I'm content.

[manyfistss]

SetSailForFail wrote...

Zaeed isn't just a loner merc if you know him... he started the blue suns.  He knows how to lead.  He was just betrayed by a teammate.  He lead the troops, the other guy lead the logistics.  The logistics guy hired guys, and shot him in the head.

As for loner and being betrayed.  Uh... how is garrus ANY better?

He lost his entire team to a betrayal.  And lone sniper?  Cmon.

Garrus is an excellent leader, he was in the Turian Military as a top commanding officer (which is pretty damn good) for an infiltration strike team. He was an officer in C-sec, and lead a group of like minded Turian (I assume) to attack merc groups in Omega, where he was betrayed by one his own, and barely made it out. If you read your messages a wife of one the men he had thanks you for making sure Garrus was alive, and thanks you for taking down the traitor. If he had no respect, like Zaaed the letter would've read way differently. 

[ChampionHyena]

DrowNoble wrote...

I didn't lose anyone with my paragon soldier. When Miranda was briefing on who to take it was who had "experience" and "leadership" to lead a team. Pretty much Zaeed was a loner merc, so that ruled him out. I used Garrus the 1st time and Miranda the second.

As for who went through the tubes I sent Legion in. After all, he is the best hacker there is.

Wait wait wait... Legion did your hacking, but you didn't lose him? I picked him to go through the tubes, too, and he bit a Hadouken from the Harbinger while he was trying to get the door shut.

I had Legion do my hacking (shouldn't a machine be the most adept at that?), I had Samara lead the fire team (someone who's hundreds of years older than everyone on my team ought to have a LITTLE experience), I had Jack handle the biotics (doy) and I had Jacob play the distraction (I have no idea why I picked him). Everybody survived except Legion.

Level 26 Sentinel, maxed Paragon points and complete loyalty across the board. What am I missing?

[Daveastation]

Anybody that played Zaeed's loyalty quest would know that he has no regard for anyone else's life.

I would have picked Jack as a leader before Zaeed, and there's no possible way anyone would listen to Jack.

100% team survival for me.

Level 27 soldier:

100% loyalty

Vent Specialist: Tali
Fire Team Leader: Garrus
Biotic Shield Specialist: Jack
Second Team Leader: Garrus
Crew Escort: Jacob

I had Legion and Samara in my party.

Modifié par Daveastation, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:50 .

[Peer of the Empire]

You know what I chose Zaeed for the diversion team too (Miranda had led the first wave) and was vaguely shocked that he died.  But then I rationalized it as me having sent Garrus to escort the crew back to the Normandy (successfully) and taking Thane with me, leaving Zaeed with too many responsibilities as lone sniper and commander.  Then I reloaded and went with Miranda all the way

[commanderkai]

SetSailForFail wrote...

Zaeed isn't just a loner merc if you know him... he started the blue suns.  He knows how to lead.  He was just betrayed by a teammate.  He lead the troops, the other guy lead the logistics.  The logistics guy hired guys, and shot him in the head.

Zaeed was the same guy who was willing to destroy a refinery, and it's innocent workers, to kill one guy for revenge. Even if you make him loyal after said mission, through not helping the workers, or the Charm dialogue, he still is a vicious bastard. He's only there because he's being paid a lot of money and wants to retire. Not exactly the most noble of leadership goals.

Also, founding an organization is not the same as ruling/leading it. He wasn't able to hold onto power.

[Schneidend]

ChampionHyena wrote...
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From what I can tell, Legion is the best squadmate for the vents, but he will die if Garrus isn't the leader of the fireteam at the time. That's how it worked for me. I had Legion in the vents and Garrus leading the fireteam.

My other theory is that if you don't kill the collectors before activating the last vent switch, you'll get the Specialist killed. Did you flip the eighth vent switch before mopping up the Collectors?

Modifié par Schneidend, 31 janvier 2010 - 06:52 .

[Lyrandori]

I got Tali and Miranda as the first specialists, Tali for the vents and Miranda for the first assault (doors meeting and all that part). Then I took Samara for the biotic shielding and Jacob for the second assault, they all survived. I had Garrus and Grunt with me all along. In the end I only lost Mordin (whose death wasn't even shown on-screen, he was only shown once dead, on the ground, after the final boss was killed. I think I was pretty close to a perfect end (saving the whole team that is). I can deal with Mordin's death, but I regret not sending the survivors with an escort, I lost Chakwas in that bunch.

[ChaoticBroth]

ChampionHyena wrote...

DrowNoble wrote...

I didn't lose anyone with my paragon soldier. When Miranda was briefing on who to take it was who had "experience" and "leadership" to lead a team. Pretty much Zaeed was a loner merc, so that ruled him out. I used Garrus the 1st time and Miranda the second.

As for who went through the tubes I sent Legion in. After all, he is the best hacker there is.

Wait wait wait... Legion did your hacking, but you didn't lose him? I picked him to go through the tubes, too, and he bit a Hadouken from the Harbinger while he was trying to get the door shut.

I had Legion do my hacking (shouldn't a machine be the most adept at that?), I had Samara lead the fire team (someone who's hundreds of years older than everyone on my team ought to have a LITTLE experience), I had Jack handle the biotics (doy) and I had Jacob play the distraction (I have no idea why I picked him). Everybody survived except Legion.

Level 26 Sentinel, maxed Paragon points and complete loyalty across the board. What am I missing?

Samara's your problem. She may have experience, but she doesn't have the knack for leading that Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob have.

[DK_DOOM]

I think the best way to experience Mass Effect is just to go with the flow. If you feel like the suicide mission is flawed because you didn't have a perfect happy ending, that's kind of narrow-minded. Why would BioWare do all this work to make the possible ending so dynamic if nobody was going to use it?

[ChyronBlue]

No one respects Zaeed as a leader, he is just a good merc. Garrus has experience leading a team and has held his own against three merc gangs. Garrus > Zaeed.